Rudy Matt wrote:If I'm understanding the situation correctly, by becoming an early adopter of Blu-Ray, and the most popular studio in home video history, Disney agreed to pimp Blu-Ray and in return, they get a cut from the Blu-Ray consortium. Meaning, Disney pimps Blu-Ray, they get to re-sell their movies on a new format AND they share profits from the Blu-Ray manufacturers.
Yup.
Also Disney is going to push Blu Ray from now on. If you don't like it please stop shitting up every thread with the same noise over and over again - it's what their going to do, and if you don't like it then tough.
Just like I get annoying because I have a PS3, and some games are Xbox360 exlusive/downloable content is exclusive, but what am I gonna do that's business.
Right, people aren't allowed to complain in relevant threads about their marketing. Just because you have no reason to complain doesn't mean others can't. If you don't like people complaining over a valid issue then tough.
Here from DVD Talk is Glenn Errickson's DVD Savant review of the Blu Ray another excellent review of this new transfer which I'm greatly looking forward to even though they've done away with my favourite Boil Cauldron Boil Witch At The Cauldron deleted sequence - here's the review : http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s3030snow.html
To Make Doubly Sure Bring Back Her Heart In This!!
geniuswalt wrote:
did you guys read what they say in the SW review on thedigitalbits.com?
The Magic Mirror ... even remains waiting on the screen as you switch discs. This is a subtle surprise that really stands out as a next-generation experience.
Sounds definitely cool! Hope it's not only for those with BDLive
Actually, I must have missed it. That sounds really cool, too bad I'm usually too pooped after watching the movie to watch any extras, but I'll have to make it a point to see if that works.
I thought I would take the liberty of making a detailed list of the bonus features from the Platinum Edition that didn't make the jump to the Diamond Edition.
Still the Fairest of Them All: The Making of Snow White - (38:52) A documentary that provides a brief overview of the history of the Disney studio up until Snow White before mostly focusing on tales from the production. It is hosted by the lovely Angela Lansbury and was most likely left off the Diamond Edition because most of the information is repeated in the new Hyperion Studios feature.
"Some Day My Prince Will Come" music video by Barbra Streissand - (4:03) Replaced on the Diamond Edition by a music video from Tiffany Thorton.
Textual History - (0:00) The DVD offered three text documents. They were a Walt Disney Biographical Timeline, Snow White Production Timeline, and the Original Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale. Since much of the production timeline and Walt's biography are covered in the Hyperion Studios feature, it is obvious why these were left off the Diamond Edition. And the Original fairy tale was probably left off because it is darker than people like Disney to be.
Storyboard to Film Comparisions - (26:61) Four storyboard/film sequences were presented (The Forest Chase, Cleaning House, The Dwarfs Chase The Witch, and The Queen's Order) with a general introduction. Each sequence was presented three times (storyboard, final film, and split screen comparison). If you watch one of each with the introduction, the feature is 9:01, but if you watch all of them, the total runtime is 26:61. This feature was most likely left off the Diamond Edition to save space and because it would have needed to be redone, since it was originally made in SD and fullscreen.
Art & Design - (1:43) John Canemaker briefly talks about the design and style of the film. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the Hyperion Studios feature repeats the information.
About Layouts and Backgrounds - (4:37) Scott McQueen talks about the importance of the backgrounds. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the Hyperion Studios feature repeats the information.
Excerpt from "The Story of Silly Symphony"- (1:36) Briefly talks about Snow White, but was probably left off the Diamond Edition because it has more to do with "The Old Mill," which is included in the Diamond Edition.
Excerpts from "Tricks of Our Trade" - There are two excerpts. The first (7:39) is a detailed explanation of how the multiplane camera works. This was most likely left off the Diamond Edition because it is more concentrated on "The Old Mill" and "Bambi" and only mentions Snow White. The second (4:10) shows how Disney did live action motion study. The scene they study is Happy doing a dance, but the information is most likely repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature, which is most likely why this was left off the Diamond Edition.
Camera and Tests - (12:13) Scott MacQueen hosts this feature about the technical aspects of animation and color tests for them. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the information is repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature.
Live Action Reference - (6:34) Highlights of the live action reference footage are paired with an early demo of "You're Never Too Old To Be Young" with a commentary by an uncredited voice (most likely John McQueen). Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the information is repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature.
Abandoned Concepts - (8:25) Three abandoned concepts are presented (Snow White Meets the Prince, a fantasy version of "Some Day My Prince Will Come," and The Prince is Captured) with a general introduction by John Canemaker. While the Hyperion Studios feature does have an abandoned concepts gallery, the absence of the three sequences from the Diamond Edition is puzzling.
The Restoration - (5:19) A featurette about the restoration process, but it only pertains to the 2001 restoration, so it's inclusion on the Diamond Edition would have been informative, but semi-pointless.
Deleted Scenes - Out of 5 deleted scenes on the Platinum Edition, only 2 of them are on the Diamond Edition ("Music in Your Soup" and Building a Bed). The Platinum Edition had an introduction by John Canemaker (0:40), The Witch's Cauldron (0:40), The Bedroom Argument (2:19), and The Lodge Meeting (1:53). The two scenes included in the Diamond Edition total 11 minutes and were remastered in HD, but the other three deleted scenes (totaling 4 minutes) should have been included as well. Their absence is puzzling.
The Los Angeles Permier - (1:13) A vintage and nostalgic newsreel about the elaborate Hollywood premier. Its short run time and glimpse into the golden age of Hollywood made it an obvious inclusion in the new set, but for some reason it did not make the jump.
Original Premier Radio Broadcast - (29:59) This audio-only feature is again, vintage and nostalgic. Certainly this wouldn't have taken up much room on the disc, but Disney seems to be under the impression that nobody cares about vintage promotional material, which is most likely why this is not on the Diamond Edition.
Trailers - (12:00) Two trailers from 1937 and rerelease trailers from 1944, 1958, 1967, 1987, 1993, and the 2001 DVD release were included in the Platinum Edition. While Disney mostly shies away from putting vintage publicity material on current releases, they did provide them for Sleeping Beauty and all of them (except for maybe the 2001 DVD trailer) would have been a nice inclusion on the Diamond Edition.
A Trip Through the Walt Disney Studios - (10:58 ) The original film that basically served as a glorified promotion for Snow White to RKO is presented here with an introduction by Scott McQueen. While the new Hyperion Studios feature probably reuses some of the footage from this film, it would have been nice to have it in full on the Diamond Edition. Sadly, it was probably not included since it was a promotional piece. Walt Disney even uses words like "Selling of the product" in the film.
How Disney Cartoons Are Made - (8:54) Another vintage film, this one was shown to audiences and again, was a glorified promotion for Snow White. This feature also had an introduction by Scott McQueen. While the Hyperion Studios is probably more in depth as to "how Disney cartoons are made," this vintage and nostalgic piece would have been warmly welcome on the new set. Again, since this was promotional material, the seems to be the reason why it was left off the Diamond Edition.
Vintage Audio - (42:60) The vintage audio section of the Platinum Edition consisted of three radio broadcasts (two from the Lux Radio Theater and one promo called "Mickey Mouse Theater of the Air") and two demo recordings. One is from the recording session for "The Silly Song" and the other is the deleted song "You're Never Too Old To Be Young." Since the radio broadcasts are promotional pieces, that is probably the main reason that Disney didn't include them in the Diamond Edition. While the absence of the two songs is semi-confusing, the latter is included on the CD soundtrack that is currently available.
In total, 228 minutes (more than 3 hours) of bonus material from the Platinum Edition is not included in the Diamond Edition. The majority of it is justifiable, since the Hyperion Studios feature restates the information. In addition, reviews and early receivers of the Blu-Ray claim that the second disc is jam packed with bonus features, so it is possible that there simply wasn't room for a lot of the stuff that should have been included. The few features that definitely should have been included in the new set are the abandoned concepts, the remaining deleted scenes, and the publicity material. While I still think the Diamond Edition looks great and am really excited for it, I have to wonder if Disney shouldn't have left off some of the bonus shorts that don't directly pertain to Snow White (basically all of them except for Goddess of Spring) to be able to include at least the remaining deleted scenes and abandoned concepts, if not the video and audio publicity material as well. But I digress. Hopefully in 7 years when Disney releases Snow White again, it will be a 3-disc Blu-Ray (or whatever new format is around) so that everything that should be included can be included.
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Li'l Merman wrote:The four, literally, are interchangeable depending on the day so take any list of mine with a grain of salt.
I have too much time on my hands...
One random Sunday, Little Merman was walking through the woods near his house and picking berries. He was admiring the sunlight coming through the trees as it reminded him of Sleeping Beauty. "The sun has set, make ready to welcome your princess!" he quoted from the movie. "I think my favourite Disney Animated Classic today will be Sleeping Beauty!"
Monday soon came, and Little Merman was in New York shopping for some shoes. "Wow, this is cool," he said as he examined a pair of Chucks that were see-through. "It's like a glass slipper...Converse style! Today my favourite Disney Animated Classic is Cinderella," he proclaimed as he went to the register to buy his new shoes.
On Tuesday night, Little Merman was getting ready to go out. "Yay, it's Tuesday night! That means Quizzo night!" he said aloud to nobody as he was tying the laces on his Cindy Chucks. "I love Quizzo, it makes me feel smarter than I am. Just like Belle! My favourite Disney Animated Classic tonight is Beauty and the Beast...oh wait...it's not one of the four on my list. Never mind."
Little Merman's team won Quizzo, and so on Wednesday he and his friends decided to go swimming before it got too cold. Little Merman dived off the diving board, swum all the way down, then rose up dramatically to the surface a la just-turned-human Ariel. "The Little Mermaid is definitely my favourite Disney Animated Classic," he thought to himself as he swam over to his friends.
On Thursday, Little Merman and his friends went to another bar for another Quizzo, and while there he met someone named Hunter. They hit it off pretty well, and he decided Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs would be his favourite Disney Animated Classic, since the Huntsman had the word "Hunt" in it just like Hunter.
On Friday, Hunter never called Little Merman like he promised, so he didn't like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. He was too upset to like any of the Disney movies and instead spent the day watching Leonardo DiCaprio movies.
Finally, it was Saturday, and Little Merman was at the Farmer's Market. He bought some apples and soft pretzels, along with some fresh produce and other food to make a grand Saturday feast. While getting food, he ran into Leonardo DiCaprio, of all people. They ended up talking about Disney movies, and Leo said his favourite was Aladdin. "Hey, that's my favourite too!" Little Merman said.
Wow goofystitch, more than 3 hours of extras dropped. Too bad DVD's have higher capacity than Blu-rays or else we'd be able to keep the extras, oh wait
Looks like including most of the extras in HD had used up a lot of their capacity but they still had more room (even without dropping the Silly Symphony shorts). They could've fit the original trailers, deleted scenes, and promo material (newsreel and such) with that 8GB of extra space (or all of the previous extras if they weren't in HD). I'd say they deliberately left the extras out, whether its bad judgment on what the customers want or just a clever marketing scheme to get people to buy it again is unknown.
I just hope all Diamond Editions don't leave out promotional material, the Platinum Blus were good at including them, as I don't feel that is a step up from the last version in anything but PQ (considering trailers, deleted scenes, and promo material are the only extras I really value).
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goofystitch wrote:I thought I would take the liberty of making a detailed list of the bonus features from the Platinum Edition that didn't make the jump to the Diamond Edition.
Still the Fairest of Them All: The Making of Snow White - (38:52) A documentary that provides a brief overview of the history of the Disney studio up until Snow White before mostly focusing on tales from the production. It is hosted by the lovely Angela Lansbury and was most likely left off the Diamond Edition because most of the information is repeated in the new Hyperion Studios feature.
"Some Day My Prince Will Come" music video by Barbra Streissand - (4:03) Replaced on the Diamond Edition by a music video from Tiffany Thorton.
Textual History - (0:00) The DVD offered three text documents. They were a Walt Disney Biographical Timeline, Snow White Production Timeline, and the Original Brothers Grimm Fairy Tale. Since they were
Storyboard to Film Comparisions - (26:61) Four storyboard/film sequences were presented (The Forest Chase, Cleaning House, The Dwarfs Chase The Witch, and The Queen's Order) with a general introduction. Each sequence was presented three times (storyboard, final film, and split screen comparison). If you watch one of each with the introduction, the feature is 9:01, but if you watch all of them, the total runtime is 26:61. This feature was most likely left off the Diamond Edition to save space and because it would have needed to be redone, since it was originally made in SD and fullscreen.
Art & Design - (1:43) John Canemaker briefly talks about the design and style of the film. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the Hyperion Studios feature repeats the information.
About Layouts and Backgrounds - (4:37) Scott McQueen talks about the importance of the backgrounds. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the Hyperion Studios feature repeats the information.
Excerpt from "The Story of Silly Symphony"- (1:36) Briefly talks about Snow White, but was probably left off the Diamond Edition because it has more to do with "The Old Mill," which is included in the Diamond Edition.
Excerpts from "Tricks of Our Trade" - There are two excerpts. The first (7:39) is a detailed explanation of how the multiplane camera works. This was most likely left off the Diamond Edition because it is more concentrated on "The Old Mill" and "Bambi" and only mentions Snow White. The second (4:10) shows how Disney did live action motion study. The scene they study is Happy doing a dance, but the information is most likely repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature, which is most likely why this was left off the Diamond Edition.
Camera and Tests - (12:13) Scott MacQueen hosts this feature about the technical aspects of animation and color tests for them. Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the information is repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature.
Live Action Reference - (6:34) Highlights of the live action reference footage are paired with an early demo of "You're Never Too Old To Be Young" with a commentary by an uncredited voice (most likely John McQueen). Most likely left off the Diamond Edition because the information is repeated in the Hyperion Studios feature.
Abandoned Concepts - (8:25) Three abandoned concepts are presented (Snow White Meets the Prince, a fantasy version of "Some Day My Prince Will Come," and The Prince is Captured) with a general introduction by John Canemaker. While the Hyperion Studios feature does have an abandoned concepts gallery, the absence of the three sequences from the Diamond Edition is puzzling.
The Restoration - (5:19) A featurette about the restoration process, but it only pertains to the 2001 restoration, so it's inclusion on the Diamond Edition would have been informative, but semi-pointless.
Deleted Scenes - Out of 5 deleted scenes on the Platinum Edition, only 2 of them are on the Diamond Edition ("Music in Your Soup" and Building a Bed). The Platinum Edition had an introduction by John Canemaker (0:40), The Witch's Cauldron (0:40), The Bedroom Argument (2:19), and The Lodge Meeting (1:53). The two scenes included in the Diamond Edition total 11 minutes and were remastered in HD, but the other three deleted scenes (totaling 4 minutes) should have been included as well. Their absence is puzzling.
The Los Angeles Permier - (1:13) A vintage and nostalgic newsreel about the elaborate Hollywood premier. Its short run time and glimpse into the golden age of Hollywood made it an obvious inclusion in the new set, but for some reason it did not make the jump.
Original Premier Radio Broadcast - (29:59) This audio-only feature is again, vintage and nostalgic. Certainly this wouldn't have taken up much room on the disc, but Disney seems to be under the impression that nobody cares about vintage promotional material, which is most likely why this is not on the Diamond Edition.
Trailers - (12:00) Two trailers from 1937 and rerelease trailers from 1944, 1958, 1967, 1987, 1993, and the 2001 DVD release were included in the Platinum Edition. While Disney mostly shies away from putting vintage publicity material on current releases, they did provide them for Sleeping Beauty and all of them (except for maybe the 2001 DVD trailer) would have been a nice inclusion on the Diamond Edition.
A Trip Through the Walt Disney Studios - (10:58 ) The original film that basically served as a glorified promotion for Snow White to RKO is presented here with an introduction by Scott McQueen. While the new Hyperion Studios feature probably reuses some of the footage from this film, it would have been nice to have it in full on the Diamond Edition. Sadly, it was probably not included since it was a promotional piece. Walt Disney even uses words like "Selling of the product" in the film.
How Disney Cartoons Are Made - (8:54) Another vintage film, this one was shown to audiences and again, was a glorified promotion for Snow White. This feature also had an introduction by Scott McQueen. While the Hyperion Studios is probably more in depth as to "how Disney cartoons are made," this vintage and nostalgic piece would have been warmly welcome on the new set. Again, since this was promotional material, the seems to be the reason why it was left off the Diamond Edition.
Vintage Audio - (42:60) The vintage audio section of the Platinum Edition consisted of three radio broadcasts (two from the Lux Radio Theater and one promo called "Mickey Mouse Theater of the Air") and two demo recordings. One is from the recording session for "The Silly Song" and the other is the deleted song "You're Never Too Old To Be Young." Since the radio broadcasts are promotional pieces, that is probably the main reason that Disney didn't include them in the Diamond Edition. While the absence of the two songs is semi-confusing, the latter is included on the CD soundtrack that is currently available.
In total, 228 minutes (more than 3 hours) of bonus material from the Platinum Edition is not included in the Diamond Edition. The majority of it is justifiable, since the Hyperion Studios feature restates the information. In addition, reviews and early receivers of the Blu-Ray claim that the second disc is jam packed with bonus features, so it is possible that there simply wasn't room for a lot of the stuff that should have been included. The few features that definitely should have been included in the new set are the abandoned concepts, the remaining deleted scenes, and the publicity material. While I still think the Diamond Edition looks great and am really excited for it, I have to wonder if Disney shouldn't have left off some of the bonus shorts that don't directly pertain to Snow White (basically all of them except for Goddess of Spring) to be able to include at least the remaining deleted scenes and abandoned concepts, if not the video and audio publicity material as well. But I digress. Hopefully in 7 years when Disney releases Snow White again, it will be a 3-disc Blu-Ray (or whatever new format is around) so that everything that should be included can be included.
I think ill just buy the old dvd and see one of disney's best dvds.
Walt Disney always belived in quality, bring the quality back.
schoollover wrote:I think ill just buy the old dvd and see one of disney's best dvds.
Now that you said that, I checked eBay and you can get it Brand New pretty cheap. I'm thinking of buying the old DVD and when I get my Blu, I just put my Blu-ray Disc 1&2 in the steelbook, and instead of the extra DVD, I'll put the Platinum's extras disc in there and really have the ultimate 3-Disc set
Either way, they are both great sets and if this is one of your favorite films and you love bonus features, it's probably a good idea to own both. It seems like there is enough that is exclusive to each edition to make both must haves.
Guess I'll be keeping my old DVD as well as the Blu when it's released.
And that Magic Mirror function sounds seriously creepy but very cool... Does he say things like ("Hurry up!" or "Make your switch") while the discs are changed too?
Goofystitch thank you for that very comprehensive list, real good and good to know, though maybe check some of it because you didn't finish a sentence in the Textual History part. Did they really include the whole original fairy tale, Snow White being seven years old and the queen dancing in burning iron shoes...?
ajmrowland, that actually would be cool and quite funny!
WOW, A lot is missing! I ordered my copy on Amazon last night. I used the coupon code and I figured it would be worth it with no tax or shipping!It came out to $14.99 plus I ordered the new Muppet Christmas movie that was $16.99. The Muppet DVD came out to be more than the Blu-ray set go figure! All together my total was $31.98. Not a bad deal, right guys?
Matt wrote:WOW, A lot is missing! I ordered my copy on Amazon last night. I used the coupon code and I figured it would be worth it with no tax or shipping!It came out to $14.99 plus I ordered the new Muppet Christmas movie that was $16.99. The Muppet DVD came out to be more than the Blu-ray set go figure! All together my total was $31.98. Not a bad deal, right guys?
Matt wrote:WOW, A lot is missing! I ordered my copy on Amazon last night. I used the coupon code and I figured it would be worth it with no tax or shipping!It came out to $14.99 plus I ordered the new Muppet Christmas movie that was $16.99. The Muppet DVD came out to be more than the Blu-ray set go figure! All together my total was $31.98. Not a bad deal, right guys?
Disney Duster wrote:Goofystitch thank you for that very comprehensive list, real good and good to know, though maybe check some of it because you didn't finish a sentence in the Textual History part. Did they really include the whole original fairy tale, Snow White being seven years old and the queen dancing in burning iron shoes...?
Thanks for letting me know. I corrected the mistake. And in the original fairy tale that is on the Platinum Edition, Snow White is 7 and the queen eats the heart the huntsman brings her. She first tries to kill Snow White with a tight bodice, then a poisoned comb, and finally an apple. The queen had to eat half of the apple to convince Snow White that it wasn't poisonous. It was several years later that a prince stumbled upon her glass coffin and he begged the dwarfs to let him have her. Upon transferring the casket to the castle, they tripped and the chunk of apple in Snow White's throat came dislodged. The Queen was invited to the wedding, where she was given a pair of red hot shoes that made her dance for the rest of her life.
PixarFan2006 wrote:I am still going to buy the blu-ray tuesday and I will hold on to my old dvd for the features as well.
Did anyone notice the bonuses for SWATSD in the paper yet. They seem kind of underwhelming.
My theory is that since Snow White is offered in three version with extra stuff (book, plushes, and mega box set), Disney didn't want to have stores giving extra stuff with the regular copies. It kind of makes sense because often times store giveaways are small plushes, like the dwarfs set. And back when The Little Mermaid came out, Best Buy had the plushes for free, but I bought the exclusive version with the pins and the free plush didn't work with it. So stores probably wouldn't let Disney give free things with all versions.
However, Best Buy had the Steelbook when you preordered and if you buy select Disney Blu-Rays at the time of purchase, you get a $15 gift card. Basically, I'll be getting Snow White for $15 and Chronicles of Narnia for $15.
Just because you have no reason to complain doesn't mean others can't. If you don't like people complaining over a valid issue then tough. 
Does he say things like ("Hurry up!" or "Make your switch") while the discs are changed too? 
go figure! All together my total was $31.98. Not a bad deal, right guys? 
