The design of the Disney heroines

[Super Aurora]

A year ago, I was complaining about an anime called "Lucky Star". My main beef is that the series stars girls who are in high school and are 18 years old. But are designed to look like Kindergartners and sound like toddlers.

It's a Moe thing. That's what Moe is. Lucky Star is funny btw.

The issue is that they clearly wanted to attract Loli fanatics and convince them that its OK to fantasize about them since they were 18.

It's not ok!?

Snow White is believed to be 14 in the movie. Even though she is a young girl she wears make up and looks older than she really is. To some, this might be a problem.

She's jail bait.

Cinderella's age is never mentioned. But judging from her anatomy she might be 18, 19 or 20. The fact is that she looks well proportioned for her to be 15 or 16.

She always seemed to be in her mid twenties to me.

Alice and Wendy look their age, no problems here.

SO LOLI! It's Pedo-licious!

Tinkerbell is an immortal being, meaning that she has no age. But she was drawn to look attractive.

An Immortal is a person that can't died from anything. That includes death or dying as well. And I doubt Tinky is unkillable.

Aurora...Hmm. We know she's 16 in the movie, but looks older. The argument is that many girls can look older, even if they are 16. But still, her face and body look like they belong on an older woman. Again, this would be proving my friend's point.

At first thought same thing that she seems older than she looks, until the near last scene when she comes over to hug her father and mother. Look at the size difference there. She really does look like a 16 year old compared to her mother.

Belle...I believe she might be 18 or 19 when the story starts, like Cinderella before her. Once again, her figure, voice and mannerisms belong to that of a young woman, not a teenager. If she is younger that I expected...I'll be damned.[/quote]
That sounds just about right.

But she might be older...I need help with this. She wearing those outfits make her jailbait material... XD

It's Disney secret agenda to capture pedophiles if they find any man furiously fapping to her.

Pocahontas was originally a little girl, so Disney's Pocahontas is much older so that the love story is believable. Like Cinderella and Belle she sounds and acts like a young woman.

Something Disney did better than history.

Esmeralda is clearly an older woman, probably in her mid twenties.

Yea, about right.

I always thought Esmeralda had the biggest boobs. You can tell Frollo really wanted to caress them boobies.

Now onto Yzma...SHE'S ANCIENT! MOVING ON!

She's a Disney Heroine? That's new.

Jessica Rabbit is 40 I guess,or maybe 30.

Definitely not 40. 32 is my best guess.

Sally is a rag doll so she has no age.

Sally?? Don't you mean Jesse the cowgirl?

so Giselle,Auror and Snow White are Geishas because they dreamed of finding true love?.

Yes.

Geishas will bring honor to us all!

They do!

(No Princess got saved).

Oh god, not this again.

Jasmine's boobs bounce. I am a straight woman and I can't help but see them bounce every time I watch that movie. Its distracting.

They bounce when Jafar tells her Aladdin is dead. I know its because she gasps, but that had to be a BIG gasp.

She gasp at the fact her boobs did bounce.

Speaking of which, there was a funny photoshop of the scene (same one as siren said) when Jaz lean forward at Jafer yelling/demanding what he did to aladdin. In the picture, Jafar's face has this "OOOHH! Look what I see!" face where his eyes aiming at the boobs( all this unedited). What was changed is that Jaz's boobs are now shown.

[Disney Duster]

Snow White was previously designed to look younger, says the author of The Encyclopedia of Disney Characters, and she might have looked 8! So maybe they had a hard time making her look the right age. Besides, I would want her to look older so even though she's supposed to be 14, as it seems from many sources and info on the story meetings, the girls watching her don't think they can dream of a prince and go be with him so young!

As Flam-Ham said (it's SHOE size not SHOW size!), Cinderella is 18, though I thought the press releases said 17 or 18.

Aurora, well, me and PhillipFan agreed that Aurora may look so maturely beautiful because of the magical gift of beauty bestowed on her, and the gift of song is also why she can sing so maturely, beautifully, and amazingly!

enigmawing, actually I read in books that Snow White is supposed to be so innocent she isn't aware of her beauty, or that anyone would be jealous of it and want to kill her!

[Jack Skellington]

Geishas will bring honor to us all!

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"This is what you give me to work with? well,honey,I"ve seen worse,we gonna turn this little virgin into a lovely slut.
We"ll have you washed and pretty,clean and sluttish 'till you"ll look hot,just my recipe for instant whore,you"ll bring honor to us all!".

Geishas are not supposed to be prostitutes, they entertain men by tea and traditional dance, not by sleeping with them.
I actually think there should be a Disney movie about Geishas, that would be a really interesting subject.

[yukitora]

^I was gonna tell ariel'sprince that but I didn't want to spoil his fun...

One of my most random memories is my host-mother in Japan seeing me look at these two Geishas and giving me a sly wink Okaasans are too funny.

but there IS a bidding process to sleep with a virgin Geisha...

[Super Aurora]

what they were thinking is Oiran. That is a Japanese prostitute. They also have heirachry status. Tayu is the highest ranked.

Basically Geisha replaced the Oiran era of Edo.

[pap64]

So Geishas are basically idealistic visions of women men can "own" for love, companionship and education.

At least, that's what I got from "Memoirs of a Geisha"...

I believe the reason people think geishas are prostitutes is because during WWII American men slept with women who were geishas. When they came back home they told everyone that geishas were women who offered sex.

If my info is correct geishas are trained in arts, music, manners and dance so they can offer companionship to a man. Sexual pleasure can happen, but I think it all depends on the man (I did read, though, that geishas are virgins).

Sorry for derailing the thread, but the topic of geishas is a fascinating one, especially when discussing their apparent sluttiness .

[Jack Skellington]

Disney and Prostitution ! How random.

But anyway I'm interested about this specific topic since we found a way to mention it !

Yukitora, after the bid is over I believe the Geisha would stick only with that man, so I guess it's justified to not call them prostitutes, after all maybe they do bids in order to find out which man will probably be able to take care of them the best.

P.S :
Yukitora, where are you from ? I was guessing judging from your user name and your knowledge of Japanese culture you were Japanese but there's a heck of a lot of people living there, so I wouldn't say that it's the 8th most isolated place in the world.

[yukitora]

Jack Skelly: I'm from Australia, of all places. I just study Japanese (I went there on a student exchange program) and am a member of a Japanese music forum where I come across things they don't tell you about in school

To be honest, I didn't know that about Geishas, the "sticking with the winning bidder" thingy. I did once try to read this book called GEISHA, but it was sooooo big I didn't get pass the blurb. It's so fascinating how Geisha's are still viewed as a standard of beauty, I love how countries like Japan and China hang onto their traditional culture so strongly, yet at the same time be the leaders of advancing technology.

DISNEY SHOULD SOOOO MAKE A GEISHA MOVIE!
You know, just so they can get themselves out of their little rut they're stuck in.

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't feel characters have to be appear "older" in order to emanate sexuality. The Disney heroines are definitely designed to be attractive overall (they'd be stupid not to do this) and I'd say a certain amount of sexual presence (even in an innocent way) is to be expected. For example, part of Ariel's appeal is her youthful innocence and naiveté in that she doesn't even realize how attractive she is.

I agree. I think the princesses have to be drawn attractively because that's kind of part of their title. Sleeping Beauty, "the fairest in the land," Beauty and the Beast, etc. It would be like having a prince that wasn't charming. And, not to get too off-subject (somehow I always manage to), but I've always kind of considered Ariel's transformation as a sort of "sexual awakening" or rather, puberty for her. She gains legs and everything else down there. I've also read an interesting review of the film that points out how the one part of Ariel that is sexual (her chest area) is covered in purple. Meanwhile, Ursula, who is almost entirely sexual, is completely purple. Possible connnection? Of course, I think the artists' intention was to create a nice color scheme with the red hair and blue-green tail, but I like to see it as more than that.

As for how the women get curvier the more "independent" they get--I think that's only because the age increased for a lot of the females from Aladdin to Pocahontas. The girls thereafter were more grown and, thus, would be more matured.

[Disney Duster]

Yup, Divinity, Cinderella was said to be a thousand times more beautiful than her stepsisters in Perrault. As for Ariel's purple bra, which is interesting, why then are Ursula's boobs covered in black? Shouldn't she be a normal skin color and then her black octopus body would be all purple, because then the purple would cover her boobs and downstairs and, a lot more of her? Also, Ursula is more of a blue/gray, anyway, either from the cels being painted that way or maybe they did paint the cels purple and they looked blue when photographed, but I don't know how the process was done at that time. Also, the choices for Ursula were kind of limited, if she was red it would be Ariel's hair, green it would be her tail, and yellow is just yucky. But, I do not deny that the connection is still possible. She does look more purpley in the restoration and maybe that's what she's supposed to be.

[Disney's Divinity]

As for Ariel's purple bra, which is interesting, why then are Ursula's boobs covered in black? Shouldn't she be a normal skin color and then her black octopus body would be all purple, because then the purple would cover her boobs and downstairs and, a lot more of her?

Well, the black seems to almost be like a dress for her, as it comes right to the area that needs to be covered, but doesn't cover her underside (where the suckers are). Either way, the human part of her is purple and, even if the film does look blue-ish in some scenes in the original release, Disney has consistently maintained that she's lavendar/purple.

[Someday...]

According to Press releases of the time, Cinderella is an:

18 year old, blue-eyed blond, who's 5' 4", 120 lbs. with a shoe size "in proportion to her stature" (you do the math I'm no shoe expert).

I do believe that while promoting the film, in interviews and such, that whenever asked cinderella's shoe size, they would say the shoe sizes of famous beautiful female movie stars of the time.

Anyway, I would assume the princesses to be these ages (without thinking)
Snow White:13 (well we know this)
Cinderella: Id guess at 17-19
Ariel: 17
Belle: 17-19 (something similer to Cinderella)
Jasmine: 18
Mulan: 17

Its weird, before I read it up, and until maybe a few years ago, I did always consider Snow White to be almost an adult, I assume it was the advertising images of her which show her with boobs.

[kurtadisneyite]

In the 90's, a Disney artist who I cannot currently remember was asked to make Snow White more contemporary. She did so, and Snow gained a more stylized apperance, including smaller waist and decent sized bust. The artwork appeared on a number of Disney products, but drew so many complaints (especially the bust !) that another Disney artist combined the new design with the original thirties design, blending everything together, and created the hybrid that adorns most Princess merchandise today.

The princesses are quite difficult to draw consistently. You can see this in publications like PRINCESS magazine. While generally well drawn, Cinderella may be busty (with cleavage!) in one story, while more petite in others, while Aurora may be more angular in one story than another.

[Isidour]

Geishas will bring honor to us all!

.
"This is what you give me to work with? well,honey,I"ve seen worse,we gonna turn this little virgin into a lovely slut.
We"ll have you washed and pretty,clean and sluttish 'till you"ll look hot,just my recipe for instant whore,you"ll bring honor to us all!".

FOR YOUR INFORMATION!
Geishas wasn't all sluts, there was two kinds:

The slutty ones, which presented the bow of their Kimono in the front and where only sex toys and to make easier their dressing after....their service...and...

The REAL geishas: Which had the bow in the back, also they were pretty skilled in music, art, dance, politic, they knew writing(which in this time would be like knowing how to put the vcr clock on time) and their services were more of company, intelectual, and not only for "fun"