Sleeping Beauty Confirmed for DVD AND BLU-RAY in 2008 !!!

[steve]

Steve, if you haven't noticed, as with what candydog said, Flora's a red fairy.

That has nothing to do with the colour of Aurora's dress. I repeat, she said "Make it pink!", not "Make it a deep, red-like pink that would make symbolic sense but not look as good as or anything like what's appeared in cinema re-releases, home video releases, books and merchandise for the past forty years!"

Also, Fauna's colors are now more yellow and brown, basically warmer. It would make more sense for her green to be warm while Maleficent's green is almost blue or gray, more sick looking.

That actually makes no sense in terms of colour hues - that's just not how colour works. If the above reports are true, and the 2008 restoration is warmer than the 2003 restoration, then that means every colour has been made warmer, so it's not possible for Fauna's green to be warmer and Malificent's green to be cooler. You can't pick and choose different directions on the colour wheel for a certain colour to go in an overall restoration, in this case, green. Yes, you can obviously change a single colour if you want - it's called digital grading and is very common in live-action films at the moment - but that's not a restoration, that's alteration. The whole point of a restoration is to restore the picture to what it first looked like, i.e. on the animation cel, and no one's gonna tell me that they used dull-blue paint on a single cel of Malificent.

[UmbrellaFish]

Here's an article concerning the Blu-Ray bonus features on the "Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition". It may be helpful with your screencap discussion because at least three pictures look like stills. Then again, I'm not sure it'll help as I totally have no understanding of DVD restorations.
With no further ado, here's the link: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/73/29273.php.

Reading that really makes me mad I don't have a Blu-Ray player. I'm secretly hoping Blu-Ray bombs, I mean half those features require other people to own a Blu-Ray player to communicate... so who knows?

[CornyCollins]

Those are some really interesting features for the Blu-Ray version. I can't wait to try them! Of course, when I bought into Blu-Ray, my main reason for doing so was excellent picture quality and sound - extra's don't really interest me when it comes to games and such. I do occasionally enjoy a "behind the scenes" or "deleted scenes" feature - but nothing more.

I'm really glad "Sleeping Beauty" is the first to be released on Blu-Ray as it's my all time favorite Classic.

[stewie15]

That last still looks kinda funny to me. I hope the restoration doesn't look like that.

[Escapay]

Here's an article concerning the Blu-Ray bonus features on the "Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition". It may be helpful with your screencap discussion because at least three pictures look like stills. Then again, I'm not sure it'll help as I totally have no understanding of DVD restorations.
With no further ado, here's the link: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/73/29273.php.

Reading that really makes me mad I don't have a Blu-Ray player. I'm secretly hoping Blu-Ray bombs, I mean half those features require other people to own a Blu-Ray player to communicate... so who knows?

Thanks, UmbrellaFish.

The first three options sound pointless to me (because honestly, if I'm going to watch a movie, I'm going to watch a movie. I don't plan on playing games or talking to people while watching the goddamn movie.) But the fourth, "Movie Rewards" really pisses me off. It says that When you participate in any of the above BD Live features, you earn reward points each time, and Movie Rewards is how you redeem them. You can get extras like exclusive interviews with cast and/or crew members, wallpapers, ringtones, avatars and even some exclusive sneak peeks at other upcoming Disney ventures, like the new Disney DVD, Tinker Bell and, I'm sure, much much more. So, in essence, the more you partake in these amazing activities, the more you get back.

Anyone see why I'm pissed off?

I'm a movie aficionado. I'm not interested in playing a trivia game about Sleeping Beauty. I could care less about sending video messages to random strangers (or even just to friends). And I certainly don't want to be talking non-stop to someone while trying to watch a movie. That's not the point of movies!

And yet, apparently if I want to get some exclusive interviews - the actual meaty stuff of bonus features - I got to do all those stupid little things in order to get that "reward". Granted, if these interviews are available on their own, IN ADDITION TO being rewards (for those who like those interactive stuff but don't want to sit down for a documentary), I wouldn't mind it as much. But the way the article writes it, it sounds like these are additional interviews that are likely not going to be part of the Backstage Disney section, and the only way to get it is to get interactive.

Piss off, Disney. Piss off.



Albert

[steve]

...if I'm going to watch a movie, I'm going to watch a movie. I don't plan on playing games or talking to people while watching the goddamn movie.

Here, here!

And yet, apparently if I want to get some exclusive interviews - the actual meaty stuff of bonus features - I got to do all those stupid little things in order to get that "reward".

It reminds me of when the first Harry Potter DVD came out and you had to play the most stupid, awkward games to unlock the deleted scenes. Hopefully by the second big Blu-ray release Disney will have, like Warner Bros., realised that it's a crap idea and drop it.

[David S.]

The first three options sound pointless to me (because honestly, if I'm going to watch a movie, I'm going to watch a movie. I don't plan on playing games or talking to people while watching the goddamn movie.) ........ I'm a movie aficionado. I'm not interested in playing a trivia game about Sleeping Beauty. I could care less about sending video messages to random strangers (or even just to friends). And I certainly don't want to be talking non-stop to someone while trying to watch a movie. That's not the point of movies!

And yet, apparently if I want to get some exclusive interviews - the actual meaty stuff of bonus features - I got to do all those stupid little things in order to get that "reward". Granted, if these interviews are available on their own, IN ADDITION TO being rewards (for those who like those interactive stuff but don't want to sit down for a documentary), I wouldn't mind it as much. But the way the article writes it, it sounds like these are additional interviews that are likely not going to be part of the Backstage Disney section, and the only way to get it is to get interactive.

Piss off, Disney. Piss off.



Albert

Well said, Scaps!

[Disneykid]

The two pictures on that page that look like actual screencaps (the one with the Fairies and the one with Phillip abd Maleficent) are kind of perpexling. The fairy one is very obviously cropped on the top and bottom of the frame to create the 2.55:1 ratio. The one with Phillip vs. Maleficent, on the other hand, actually has the sides extended in order to create the wider ratio. Which one's right? Are they both right? Did Disney widen the shots they were able to for this release and cropped what they couldn't? Of course, these pics may not necessarily reflect the actual restoration. I guess we won't know until Luke posts his review since this site is one of the view that actually does direct screencaps.

As for BD-Live, Albert's thoughts reflect my own perfectly. I don't buy movies so that I can essentially web surf while watching them. If I wanted to do that, I'd just play the movie in the background while I go online via my computer, which is actually what I'm doing this minute. Those so-called rewards better be limited to non-making-of content, or at least repeats of footage found elsewhere on the disc, otherwise I'll be ticked.

[yukitora]

I hope those aren't screen caps. Cropping certain scenes is DEFINITELY not worth the extra unnecessary image.

The last image looks suspiciously inconsistent with the rest...
comparing that and the S.E. edition:


it would be be like Cinderella part II, except they've cropped out a good portion of the image as well.

[UmbrellaFish]

I see nothing wrong with talking about the movie while watching it. That was the concept behind my Disney DVD Global Viewings thread (which I mean to revive). It's rude in the theater but not at home with your friends. And still yet, imagine if it could be used to contact the filmmaker or actor! Find out the date and time of the discussion, pop in the disc, and there's Mary Costa telling you about her expirences on making Sleeping Beauty. The best part is you're at home and you don't have to go to leave off to a big convention. If the messaging is simply used like e-mail it gets a little redundant, though.

I admit I wouldn't mind playing the trivia game. I'm highly competitive and I always enjoy beating someone's butt at a Disney tivia game. I've never lost a game, but in all the games I've played I've known the most about Disney. I'm sure plenty of users here could beat me.

But I do agree that if the only way you can get exclusive interviews and other such juicy features, it's a bit unfair to make the Disney fan play a dumb game to see it. More Disney fans will own Blu-Ray players and will be the ones buying SB on Blu-Ray so I think Disney is missing their demographics entirely on this release. It seems obvious that not many Disney fans like the features here.

[2099net]

Here's an article concerning the Blu-Ray bonus features on the "Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition". It may be helpful with your screencap discussion because at least three pictures look like stills. Then again, I'm not sure it'll help as I totally have no understanding of DVD restorations.
With no further ado, here's the link: http://www.movieweb.com/dvd/news/73/29273.php.

Reading that really makes me mad I don't have a Blu-Ray player. I'm secretly hoping Blu-Ray bombs, I mean half those features require other people to own a Blu-Ray player to communicate... so who knows?

Thanks, UmbrellaFish.

The first three options sound pointless to me (because honestly, if I'm going to watch a movie, I'm going to watch a movie. I don't plan on playing games or talking to people while watching the goddamn movie.) But the fourth, "Movie Rewards" really pisses me off. It says that When you participate in any of the above BD Live features, you earn reward points each time, and Movie Rewards is how you redeem them. You can get extras like exclusive interviews with cast and/or crew members, wallpapers, ringtones, avatars and even some exclusive sneak peeks at other upcoming Disney ventures, like the new Disney DVD, Tinker Bell and, I'm sure, much much more. So, in essence, the more you partake in these amazing activities, the more you get back.

Anyone see why I'm pissed off?

I'm a movie aficionado. I'm not interested in playing a trivia game about Sleeping Beauty. I could care less about sending video messages to random strangers (or even just to friends). And I certainly don't want to be talking non-stop to someone while trying to watch a movie. That's not the point of movies!

And yet, apparently if I want to get some exclusive interviews - the actual meaty stuff of bonus features - I got to do all those stupid little things in order to get that "reward". Granted, if these interviews are available on their own, IN ADDITION TO being rewards (for those who like those interactive stuff but don't want to sit down for a documentary), I wouldn't mind it as much. But the way the article writes it, it sounds like these are additional interviews that are likely not going to be part of the Backstage Disney section, and the only way to get it is to get interactive.

Piss off, Disney. Piss off.

Albert

Hummm... I don't really know what to make of this. I suspect, the "Rewards" will be downloadable content - not content "unlocked" but already on the disc. As such, I don't expect them to be of much consequence - but as Escapay says, why ration them out?

If they are downloadable, there could perhaps be an excuse, in that it allows Disney to add content not previously available. You're not necessarily missing out on content if you don't get the reward, as it wouldn't be on the disc anyway. But then again, new content could (and should) be made available for downloading without jumping through hoops.

Out of all the downloadable content on my HD DVD discs, only a few items could justify its existence – storyboards for an upcoming Season 2 episode of Heroes on the Season 1 HD DVD set, subtitle information tracks (which in theory could be updated/changed – but the collapse of HD DVD means that will remain a theory) and cast lists which get information from IMDB.com. Most downloads are for new move trailers/TV spots or deleted scenes (the latter of which should arguably be on the disc in the first place).

But overall, the fact that Disney has enabled such interactive features, I truly do say to them "well done". You know, its new technology and people are finding their feet. It may work out, or it may not. But if you don't push technology, nobody will ever know. I'll admit there is more than a hint of desperation about them, but ("rewards" apart) nobody has to use them.

In the bigger picture, I'm looking forward to the PiP content – I've experienced lots of these on my HD DVD/Blu-ray and its fair to say about half are pointless, a quarter are good and a quarter are excellent. Let's hope Sleeping Beauty's are in the latter quarter. The CineExplorer features on Cars and Ratatouille are a good start, but suffer from being only static images and branching out content, and no way to view the various production artwork that is shown individually at your own pace and order.

[Disney Duster]

Disney Villain, I looked at the video you got the Blu-ray restored images from, and actually they did show the pink material on the table, the camera filming the BD Live presentation was just moving away from it too much. So we will be seeing so much picture from Sleeping Beauty...the way it was intended?

That has nothing to do with the colour of Aurora's dress. I repeat, she said "Make it pink!", not "Make it a deep, red-like pink that would make symbolic sense but not look as good as or anything like what's appeared in cinema re-releases, home video releases, books and merchandise for the past forty years!"

The color of the fairy certainly does have something to do with the colour of the dress. If you didn't notice, it appears rather inconsistent that Merryweather is blue and makes the dress blue, while Flora is red and makes the dress pink. But pink is known as a lighter shade of red. The restorations change the shades of colours (and sometimes the actual colors, see Cinderella's). Normally I would be concerned but since this is not a case of silver turning blue but pink turning redder, bolder pink...and with it making so much sense...

As for what you said about how restorations work, wouldn't you be concerned if it only looked like they made everything brighter? Restoring is making the film look exactly the way it did originally, though what that is is actually rather hard to figure out since the cels aren't supposed to look exactly the same on the silver screen. But anyway, some things should get brighter while other things darker, deeper, so there's more contrast. But do you think they painted Maleficent and Fauna with the same shades of green? No, they didn't. And so the restoration will do different things to the different colours.

But what I meant before and you didn't catch was that Fauna's colours should be warmer because she is a good, bright, warm character, and it suits her mood and the mood around her scenes. Maleficent's colors should look cooler, sicker, and darker because she is dark and evil and it suits her mood and the mood around her. I mean, don't tell me you don't feel warmer when looking at Fauna's screencaps and sicker looking at Maleficent's. And don't joke you get sick at it all because it looks so different to you.

Now, I might have agreed with you at one time and maybe when I see the film I will, but I've seen some pretty different images of these characters and the new restoration looks a lot like what I've seen close to the release of the film only better. Meanwhile Cinderella's restoration changes only looked like promotional stuff and merchandise I had seen. In merchandise they tend to change colors from what they are in the film so those can't be counted on as much.

[steve]

Disney Duster, you've got me wrong - I don't mind if the pink dress is a deeper pink, I'm just saying that the pinks in that picture are too red, or more precisely, they're too magenta. What I mean is, the colour balance is all off. It's not only the saturation that's been tampered with, it's the colour balance. The magenta levels have been turned way up which has reduced the picture's green levels, which means that the pinks in Merryweather and in Aurora's dress are pinker (or technically more magenta) and the blues on Flora and the dress are closer to purple (again, technically, magenta) than they should be. If you have Photoshop, go to Image > Adjustments > Color Balance and change the levels of a picture to see what I mean. Also if you look closely, you'll see that Flora's hair, which is supposed to be grey, has been turned brown, again because there's too much magenta in the grey. We could argue about different shades of pink and blue all day long, but we know that grey and brown are two different colours, and we know that Flora has grey hair, not brown, which is why I believe that this picture at least is not a screencap from the new Sleeping Beauty DVD/Blu-ray.

But what I meant before and you didn't catch was that Fauna's colours should be warmer because she is a good, bright, warm character, and it suits her mood and the mood around her scenes.

I did actually catch that (and I agree with it), but I didn't comment on it because I was distracted by the idea of her green becoming warmer simultaneously with Malificent's green becoming cooler to the point of looking blue, which isn't possible, for reasons which I have already explained in detail.

Maleficent's colors should look cooler, sicker, and darker because she is dark and evil and it suits her mood and the mood around her.

Again, I have no problem with that, but Maleficent's skin is not blue, it's not grey, it's pale green. Another reason why I believe that those pictures are not screencaps from the new DVD/Blu-ray.

EDIT: I would also like to re-state my position regarding the screencaps from the YouTube video. Firstly, the YouTube video is not of the highest quality, and secondly, the image we are seeing of "warmer" Fauna is from a home-video quality video of another video. How reliable is that to give us an indication of what the colour will look like? I'm not saying it won't be warmer, I'm just saying that this isn't the best source to base an opinion on.

[2099net]

Those worried about a non-US Blu-ray release of Sleeping Beauty will be pleased to hear it has been added to PLAY.COM's listings for 27th October for the "cheap" price of £16.99.

[Disney Duster]

Okay steve, you have very good points. First of all, if the pink is more purpleish (magenta is like purpleish red) and the blue is more purpleish, that just makes sense as purple is a royal color and Aurora's royal and in between changes the dress is indeed purple for a few frames. Also, reddish brown hair makes sense for Flora since she is the red fairy, and she and Fauna's eyes are brown because brown is close to their colors (yes Fauna's eyes aren't green but Fauna has always had brown in her costume, or brownish green), and a woman's hair usually goes from blonde, black, brunette or red to gray, so it could be brown turned gray and thus have tints of brown.

Now, as I said, the reason I'm not objecting to these big changes are because I recall seeing images that looked like these images before, except these are in better quality, and because they seem to make so much sense.

Also, you keep talking about saturation and what you know of restoring. I was trying to say that in making something look exactly as it did, you may not do the same thing to everything. It may not be all about just saturating everything. Yes, I know it looks that way so you have good reason to believe that, but I suspect the restoration goes much deeper than just tampering with it on the computer. I believe they look at everything (or should look at everything) and see what colors were supposed to be what. Some get brighter, some get cooler, some get redder, some get browner. The same process or tool or adjustement or color balance should not be used for the whole picture for every color. I can't see why they would even do that.

In fact, the example of Fauna's greens getting browner and Maleficent's greens getting bluer should show they aren't just doing one process for the whole thing, but are trying to find out what should look exactly like what, and hoepfully, for certain reasons they found.

Now, different companies do different restorations, and not only do I know for a fact they messed up on Cinderella in certain scenes, but there's just things that don't make sense in that restoration. There are scenes where her dress was gray that they turned blue, and it shouldn't have been because it was only supposed to be blue in the dark and when her skin was darker. So that didn't make any sense.

However, I think whoever's doing the restoration for Blu-ray's Sleeping Beauty is more probably right, and I don't see anything that doesn't make sense to me, unlike in Cinderella's.

It's true I don't want the movie to look exactly like the screencaps we've seen. For Cinderella, Disney released a promotional image that looked like an extreme version of what the actual restoration looked like. I'm hoping that's the case here. And once we see the actual restored movie, through clips online or owning the DVD or Blu-ray, then maybe I will agree with you...we'll just have to wait and see.

Oh, and BY the way...I know Maleficent's really green in merchandise, but actually I always thought she was like a gray peach color, like rotting caucasion skin, like undead. Or just really pale skin. But still human-colored skin like the other fairies. Seriously. Like white skin with only tints of gray or green or blue.

AND I just realized that in Fauna getting browner and actually kind of yellower, it looks more like the colors of animals, and Fauna is more associated with animals. Fauna actually mean animals, while Flora means plantlife. It's weird that Fauna would be green when plants are usually green, but with Fauna looking browner and yellower it makes more sense (though there are green birds...and she's associated closely with birds). In fact, Disney actually considered making the fairies have powers over their respective elements. Flora over plants, flowers (like red roses!), Fauna over animals (like brown squirrels sand green and yellow birds!) and Merryweather over weather (like the blue sky!).

[steve]

Disney Duster, I'm not going to argue with you. You're missing my point entirely. I'm not saying whether or not the colour changes in those pictures (which I don't believe are screencaps) make symbolic sense. I'm just saying that they are vastly different to any other version of the movie we've ever seen, and that I don't particularly like them.

You seem to be reading far too much into the colour choices behind the character designs and what connections they have to their respective attributes, and it's blinding you to the fact that these colours are inaccurate. If you choose to believe that they are changing Flora's hair from grey to brown, fine. If you choose to believe that they are actually changing Malificent's skin from green to blue or grey or whatever, fine too. I'm not going to argue with you. I'm just going to let the DVD/Blu-ray come out, and then we'll see what colour everything is.

[Ariel'sprince]

Oh,I"m very exited .
The color seems different but better .
The Blu-Ray features like chatting seems lame,you can just go to a forum,it's not fun talking while watching the film.
And this message is very lame-Fathers can just call thier children to tell them that "help mommy keep the enchanted tower clean,daddy is terribly sorry that he can't see Sleeping Beauty again with you" insted of using that window so you can't Flora,Founa and Merriweather .
Well,I hope we"ll get more info .

[Disney Duster]

Steve...I told you in many posts that these "new colors" look like images I have seen before, photos that are rather old and close to the time the film came out. Official Disney photos, online and in books.

Last night I took a look at the 1959 (when the film premiered) trailer for Sleeping Beauty on the DVD. Maleficent looked like a pale or gray white/caucasian/peach. Maybe a mixture between white and green or gray. Fauna looked more green as a fairy and more brown as a peasant, like in the screencaps we have seen! And Flora's hair actually looked more gray when she was a fairy and more brown when she was a peasant! Fauna's hair also looked brown, as it also does in the new screencaps. I wonder if in the dark, very brown cottage the lighting conditions make things look browner.

Now, the pink did look really light pink, and to be honest this would also make symbolic sense as it implies more baby-like color for Aurora, and she is the least active, least in control, least grown-up character in the film. She's like a baby everyone's protecting. She mostly sleeps after all.

But like you said, we'll see what happens when the movie comes out.

And this message is very lame-Fathers can just call thier children to tell them that "help mommy keep the enchanted tower clean,daddy is terribly sorry that he can't see Sleeping Beauty again with you" insted of using that window so you can't Flora,Founa and Merriweather .

Ariel'sprince, what do you mean? You want to use that video window to talk to Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather?

[Ariel'sprince]

And this message is very lame-Fathers can just call thier children to tell them that "help mommy keep the enchanted tower clean,daddy is terribly sorry that he can't see Sleeping Beauty again with you" insted of using that window so you can't Flora,Founa and Merriweather .

Ariel'sprince, what do you mean? You want to use that video window to talk to Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather?

Not exactly,the window in the video was concealing Flora,Founa and Merryweather so he can just call them insted.

[Ariel'sprince]

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