Aurora, Damsel in Distress or Heroine?

[Ariel'sprince]

Wow, Ariel'sprince, that was mature.

So you think because one person agrees with you we can stop discussing? That's not reallu up to you, if we want to keep discussing, we can.

Aurora is a damsel in distress. Like Chernabog brought up, she was for a short time bewteen the time Maleficent put the curse on her, to the time Merryweather altered it.

And all the princess are CERTAINTLY not heriones.

No,how very mature of you i WILL SPEAK MY MIND.
No,it's not one person,it's all,just becouse you disagree dosn't mean i can't speak my mind.
Aurora IS a heroine,and all the Princesses,Aurora was just a baby,for goodness sake.
You must be living in delusion or something,all the princesses ARE heroine and ESPICALLY AURORA,you can't do anything about that,all of them are heroines.
The Princes ARN'T heroes,and neither Phillip.
Aurora is a heroine.

[PeterPanfan]

You are constantly screaming at almost every forum member. You need to CALM DOWN!

Give me proof on how EVERY Disney princess is a heroine and NO Disney Princes are heroes? That.is. ABSURD! And it's not even an opinion, it's a FACT that some are heroes and some aren't. Get a grip.

[Ariel'sprince]

No,i"m not screaming at everyone,or screaming at all,and why don't you respect my opinion? it's not absured and it is an opinion,YOU live with it!.
They're all heroines,they did everything exept killing the villain (which was improved by Mulan) becouse Disney thought it's not good to show them murder but now they changed it in the marchandise,the Princes arn't importent so they killed the villain but not anymore.
They're all heroines and you live with it.

[PeterPanfan]

I'm sick of you. I'm taking a break from this thread and from every other thread you start.

[Ariel'sprince]

How about you respect my opinion too insted?.

[Sailor Eric]

No,how very mature of you i WILL SPEAK MY MIND.
No,it's not one person,it's all,just becouse you disagree dosn't mean i can't speak my mind.
Aurora IS a heroine,and all the Princesses,Aurora was just a baby,for goodness sake.
You must be living in delusion or something,all the princesses ARE heroine and ESPICALLY AURORA,you can't do anything about that,all of them are heroines.
The Princes ARN'T heroes,and neither Phillip.
Aurora is a heroine.

Well, you're the one who doesn't seem to be reading other people's contributions and opinions on the subject because there have been many good points that show Aurora was a damsel in distress and Philip a hero, too, and yet you can't come to agree that, while Aurora can be called a heroine, she was also a damsel in distress...among other things.

And excuse me!!! Are you the one who is deliusional!? How can you say that the princes aren't heroes? Prince Eric totally killed Ursula! And Philip woke Aurora up, rescuing her from the spell, and in that case rescuing EVERYBODY from the spell! If he hadn't shown up to kiss her, then two kingdoms (maybe it was only one, but there were two kings) would have been asleep forever! And no one else could have saved them; it HAD to be Philip to be the one to break the spell, because he was the man that Aurora fell in love with and he loved her back, so, therefore he was the only one who could give Aurora a kiss of true love. And true love is the most powerful thing in the world! (Giselle said that).

And if you are talking about merchandise... Well, The Disney Store has released a couple of toys under the label "Disney Heroes", just like "Disney Princess". And Philip was part of one year's collection! Yes! He was part of a Disney HEROES collection! And guess what? You could also buy a "Maleficent Dragon" to go along with it! Do you see a link or a sign here?! 1- Philip is placed in a HEROES collection. 2-The dragon he faced off and killed is part of the collection. This clearly shows that the people behind the Walt Disney Company know that the battle between Philip and the dragon was a HEROIC action. Do you see? Just like you say Aurora in the new merchandise is placed as a heroine, so is Philip. I'll take pictures of them.
And in the merchandise, Aurora is a "heroine" just because she is the main character of the story, after all, she is part of the Disney PRINCESS line, not Disney HEROINE.

[Ariel'sprince]

Well, you're the one who doesn't seem to be reading other people's contributions and opinions on the subject because there have been many good points that show Aurora was a damsel in distress and Philip a hero, too, and yet you can't come to agree that, while Aurora can be called a heroine, she was also a damsel in distress...among other things.

And excuse me!!! Are you the one who is deliusional!? How can you say that the princes aren't heroes? Prince Eric totally killed Ursula! And Philip woke Aurora up, rescuing her from the spell, and in that case rescuing EVERYBODY from the spell! If he hadn't shown up to kiss her, then two kingdoms (maybe it was only one, but there were two kings) would have been asleep forever! And no one else could have saved them; it HAD to be Philip to be the one to break the spell, because he was the man that Aurora fell in love with and he loved her back, so, therefore he was the only one who could give Aurora a kiss of true love. And true love is the most powerful thing in the world! (Giselle said that).

And if you are talking about merchandise... Well, The Disney Store has released a couple of toys under the label "Disney Heroes", just like "Disney Princess". And Philip was part of one year's collection! Yes! He was part of a Disney HEROES collection! And guess what? You could also buy a "Maleficent Dragon" to go along with it! Do you see a link or a sign here?! 1- Philip is placed in a HEROES collection. 2-The dragon he faced off and killed is part of the collection. This clearly shows that the people behind the Walt Disney Company know that the battle between Philip and the dragon was a HEROIC action. Do you see? Just like you say Aurora in the new merchandise is placed as a heroine, so is Philip. I'll take pictures of them.
And in the merchandise, Aurora is a "heroine" just because she is the main character of the story, after all, she is part of the Disney PRINCESS line, not Disney HEROINE.

I respect other people's opinion but i disagree,maybe Phillip is a hero too but Aurora is no damsel,Phillip is.
Maybe they're heroes but the Princesses are heroes,too!!!! and they're heroes just becouse they're main male leads.
The Heroes line (that was over) is just a Disney guys line,not a heroes line,Shang is there too and he's not his film's hero,Mulan is,same with Phillip.
Aurora is the hero in the marchandise (Enchanted Tales for example and in the stories she saves the day,not Phillip).
The only solotuion is that both of them are Heroes and both arn't damsels or are damsels,you know what? i think they're both heroes and they're not damsels,but both of them.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

For future reference here is the definition of Damsel.

Damsel:

A young women or girl; a maiden


Phillip does not fall into this category.

[Ariel'sprince]

Phillip is not a girl,but he was in distress.
Or both he and Aurora are heroes and... that's it,you know,both of them are the heroes,it's those characters like Wendy,Meg,Lady and Kida that are damsels in distress.

[Someday...]

I respect other people's opinion but i disagree,maybe Phillip is a hero too but Aurora is no damsel,Phillip is.

How is he a damsel? He fought and killed Maleficent (who had all the powers of hell), arguably with the fairies help, but they are just the catalyst.

The Heroes line (that was over) is just a Disney guys line,not a heroes line,Shang is there too and he's not his film's hero,Mulan is,same with Phillip.

But that doesn't make him heroic, anyway, why bother calling them heroes if its not true. Hercules is there, and he's a hero.

Aurora is the hero in the marchandise (Enchanted Tales for example and in the stories she saves the day,not Phillip).

Thats because she is so much more marketable than phillip.
Theres a lot more little girls willing to buy princess things than boys wanting to buy disney prince things.

The only solotuion is that both of them are Heroes and both arn't damsels or are damsels,you know what? i think they're both heroes and they're not damsels,but both of them.

I don't know what you're talking about

it's those characters like Wendy,Meg,Lady and Kida that are damsels in distress.

maybe Wendy and Lady,
but Meg and Kida?

[Ariel'sprince]

I respect other people's opinion but i disagree,maybe Phillip is a hero too but Aurora is no damsel,Phillip is.

How is he a damsel? He fought and killed Maleficent (who had all the powers of hell), arguably with the fairies help, but they are just the catalyst.

He's got kidnapped and rescued,and besides-the fairies did everything.

The Heroes line (that was over) is just a Disney guys line,not a heroes line,Shang is there too and he's not his film's hero,Mulan is,same with Phillip.

But that doesn't make him heroic, anyway, why bother calling them heroes if its not true. Hercules is there, and he's a hero.

So what? Mulan isn't a real princess and she's in the princess line and Tinkerbell is a pixie and she's in the fairy line .

Aurora is the hero in the marchandise (Enchanted Tales for example and in the stories she saves the day,not Phillip).

Thats because she is so much more marketable than phillip.
Theres a lot more little girls willing to buy princess things than boys wanting to buy disney prince things.

No,she's the hero in the marchandise and she is a hero in the film.

The only solotuion is that both of them are Heroes and both arn't damsels or are damsels,you know what? i think they're both heroes and they're not damsels,but both of them.

I don't know what you're talking about

She is a hero and maybe he's a hero too,but they're both are.

it's those characters like Wendy,Meg,Lady and Kida that are damsels in distress.

maybe Wendy and Lady,
but Meg and Kida?

Meg allways got kidnapped and was got rescued by Hercules all the time and Kida got kidnapped and rescued,Aurora on the other hand is a hero unlike those damsels in distress.[/quote]

[MagicMirror]

The fact that Philip really only shows up at the right time demonstrates, to me, the poor writing in the film. The image of him fighting the dragon, with the cross on his shield, is presumably intended to evoke a George and the Dragon/Christian image. It seems weird to me that the writers chose to have the fairies enchant the sword, rather than have Philip defeat the dragon himself through his own truth, from within, so to speak. A fault in an otherwise exceedingly enjoyable climax!

And though I'm sure everyone has already decided on their own conclusion and is ready to argue it until the cows come home, Aurora may not have been in 'distress' but she is undoubtedly in need of rescuing.

[CJ]

I also don't think she is a damsel in distress, I see nothing distressing about the sleep curse. She gets to sleep until her true love awakens her, nothing distressing about that. Philip on the other hand, was definitely in distress for a bit. I would called be chained in Maleficent's dungeon distressing.

Ha! see? she's no damsel.
And i think we allready squeezed enough from this subject.
Aurora is a hero ...

Now, Now, AP, I never said Aurora was a hero. I only agree with you about Aurora not being a damsel in distress. The fairies are the heroines for me.

And in anyway she"ll allways be a heroine in my opinion,she and all the Princesses.

That right there is what all this boils down to, it's your opinion. That does not make it a fact. I can respect your opinion, but you need to learn to respect the opinions of those who disagree with you. You can type "Aurora is a hero" until your fingers bleed, but that will not convince anyone else that she is a hero. At the same time, I could type "the fairies are the real heros", but that is not going to convince you that Aurora is not a hero. A well thought out post without the "your wrong attitude" works better in a debate. I'll give you an example:

CJ, didn't you say that, too? no, you werr talking about Aurora not sacrificing anything because it all worked out for her. Well, she thought it was a sacrifice, doesn't that count? Then again we don't know what was in her head, would she have copped out eventually?

The thing is, she does willfully go, she sucks up her tears until she gets there and they don't drag her. But it could be because she feels it helpless to protest, I guess. But I don't think the fairies would make her do it either. When I was younger I assumed she had no choice, but as I'm older I'm trying to explore more (or look for things that aren't there. ).

Excellent points, Duster. We don't know what was going on in her head, therefore, we will never truly know if she made an internal sacrifice or not. Now, I will give her points for not having a nervous break down. Being informed on her 16th birthday that she is a princess in hiding, her three kind guardians are really fairies, she is going home to her parents, and that she betrothed, had to be overwhelming for the girl. The poor girl was probably in shock, which may explain why she left with the fairies without much protest.

You see the section I quoted from, Duster? That bit of insight from him, got me to thinking more carefully about Aurora's state of mind. I had never considered her internal thoughts before, but after reading, Duster's post I did. That one thought out post from Duster almost got me to change my mind about Aurora. I ultimately didn't change my mind, but I did post my reasons for why I still don't think Aurora is a hero.

You see how that works? Duster politely disagreed with me, and stated his reasoning. I considered his reasons, rethought my position, and stated my reasoning for not completely agreeing with him. There was no "I'm right and your wrong" arguing between us, we just politely disagreed.

Moving on to the needless bickering in this thread:
Everyone needs to calm down and accept the fact that this whole debate is nothing more than a debate of personal opinions. Which means there is no right or wrong answer in this debate. Some believe Aurora is a hero, some believe Aurora is not a hero, Some believe Aurora is a damsel in distress, some believe Aurora is not a damsel in distress, some believe Aurora is neither a damsel nor a hero, some believe Aurora is both a hero and damsel; it doesn't matter which of those statements you believe. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, no one is right and no one is wrong. An opinion is just that an opinion, not a fact. Now everyone behave calmly and civilly, or I will lock this thread. I hope everyone acts right, and I don't have to lock this thread. This thread has great potiential for discussion, if everyone would just be respectful. Please don't ruin this thread for everyone else.

[Ariel'sprince]

I think you're right about this being just opinions and there's nothing wrong or right,CJ.
I think Aurora is a hero,some may think she isn't,it's just opinion (and Disney think that both she and Phillip are heroes).

[Someday...]

How is he a damsel? He fought and killed Maleficent (who had all the powers of hell), arguably with the fairies help, but they are just the catalyst.

He's got kidnapped and rescued,and besides-the fairies did everything.

They couldn't have done everything.
Loves First Kiss.
If you want to argue that he didn't fight her on his own, you cannot argue that Phillip did end up saving the day ON HIS OWN, because he was the only one who could have broken the spell.

The Heroes line (that was over) is just a Disney guys line,not a heroes line,Shang is there too and he's not his film's hero,Mulan is,same with Phillip.

But that doesn't make him heroic, anyway, why bother calling them heroes if its not true. Hercules is there, and he's a hero.[/quote]
So what? Mulan isn't a real princess and she's in the princess line and Tinkerbell is a pixie and she's in the fairy line .[/quote]
Now the line between pixie and fairy is very thin here.
Anyway she is being promoted as a fairy, especially with the new movie

Aurora is the hero in the marchandise (Enchanted Tales for example and in the stories she saves the day,not Phillip).

Thats because she is so much more marketable than phillip.
Theres a lot more little girls willing to buy princess things than boys wanting to buy disney prince things.

No,she's the hero in the marchandise and she is a hero in the film.[/quote]
Firstly, MERCHANDISE
secondly, how is she the hero in the merchendise or film? Please elaborate before typing the same thing over and over

it's those characters like Wendy,Meg,Lady and Kida that are damsels in distress.

maybe Wendy and Lady,
but Meg and Kida?[/quote]
Meg allways got kidnapped and was got rescued by Hercules all the time and Kida got kidnapped and rescued,Aurora on the other hand is a hero unlike those damsels in distress.[/quote][/quote]
Getting kidnapped all the time does not mean the same as damsel in distress,
damsels in distress usually cannot fight back in any way.
Aurora is also a damsel by your reckoning, seeing as she got "kidnapped" by a sleeping spell.
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[Ariel'sprince]

Someday...:
1.She is a hero in Enchanted Tales and Princess books and video games,did you saw Enchanted Tales?.
2.Damseles in distress are girls that get kidnapped every 5 seconds (and if you say it isn't then you don't know what a damsel in distress is),Aurora wasn't kidnaped and sleeping isn't kidnapting.
And again-it's just opinions.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

Which means there is no right or wrong answer in this debate.

Finally, I said this a few posts before and I'm glad you agree with me CJ

[Someday...]

Someday...:
1.She is a hero in Enchanted Tales and Princess books and video games,did you saw Enchanted Tales?.
2.Damseles in distress are girls that get kidnapped every 5 seconds (and if you say it isn't then you don't know what a damsel in distress is),Aurora wasn't kidnaped and sleeping isn't kidnapting.
And again-it's just opinions.

1.I haven't, and I don't really want to.
2.They're girls in helpless situations, kidnapping being one of them. Aurora was in a helpless situation, thusly she is a damsel in distress.
But opinions I suppose

[CJ]

SleepingBeautyAurora, you are very welcome, I knew someone else had brought that up, but I couldn't recall who.

While I'm thinking about it, I think we need to center this debate around just the original Sleeping Beauty movie. Not everyone has seen or cares to see the Enchanted Tales movie. Also, bringing Disney merchandising into this, could undermined everyone's opinion. As the merchandising department just lumps groups of characters together and arbitrarily names that group whatever they feel like.

[Ariel'sprince]

There's nothing helpless about sleeping.
Anyway this is just opinions.