High School Musical has grown without grace or beauty, but it is beloved by many who know it. But, before High School Musical 2 comes out, The Concert - Extreme Access Pass DVD shall prick the ears of those who watch it with the F-word, and the franchise could die! AaaaHahahahahaahah!
Read about the curse.
Now, the only thing is...are parents really gonna be that upset about this? I mean, really, first of all, the cursing is only heard during screaming and shouting, and maybe kids won't really pick it up. After all, if the kids are so protected they don't know what the F-word is, they wouldn't recognize it or pay attention to it!
Second, why is the F-word so bad again? THINK about it. It's a word that's offensive, but why is it offensive? It's not like the word faggot, which is offensive because it is a derogatory word for homosexual. That's a word that is deragotory to a specific person, or group of people. But the F-word is just a deragotory word in and of itself, the highest one, but is it worse than calling someone or something stupid, or ugly, or wrong, instead of caling it f***in'?
And the way the word was used was possibly not aimed at anyone, but rather at stubbing a toe or messing something up.
So if you're gonna fret over someone saying "your a f***in' idiot!", you should fret just as much about someone saying "your a stupid idiot!" Words only have as much power as we give them.
Oh yea, and aren't the kind who obsessively listen to and watch High School Musical stuff the pret-teen crowd? They're probably already using the F-word behind their parents' back.
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So in other words....buy this DVD. Wait 10 years and sell it on Ebay as the "BANNED High School Musical DVD!" like they did with The Rescuers and The Little Mermaid? 
I say the F word a lot. I'm 28 and a mom. I try not to say it around my daughter. She is 8. But it slips now and then and so be it. Cursing has never been a big deal to me. And the f word is no worse than many other curse words, IMO. There are worse ones. I wouldn't say the C word (rhymes with hunt), because that is as demeaning as the F word pertaining to gays (rhymed with drag-it), and the N word against blacks. I would never use those three words. Ever. Because they hold a deeper meaning that shouldn't be touched. They are truely hurtful words. But saying "f*** it" now and then, I don't care
I say the F word a lot. I'm 28 and a mom. I try not to say it around my daughter. She is 8. But it slips now and then and so be it. Cursing has never been a big deal to me. And the f word is no worse than many other curse words, IMO. There are worse ones. I wouldn't say the C word (rhymes with hunt), because that is as demeaning as the F word pertaining to gays (rhymed with drag-it), and the N word against blacks. I would never use those three words. Ever. Because they hold a deeper meaning that shouldn't be touched. They are truely hurtful words. But saying "f*** it" now and then, I don't care
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I knew there would be something about High School Musical that I'd like (Ryan and Sharpay notwithstanding). Almost makes me want to buy the "tainted" DVD now. Just so there's proof that Disney will unwittingly allow background audio on a bonus feature to have the f-word and they sit on their hands and debate whether or not to recall for two weeks (and beyond, I'm sure), yet if a castmember quietly says "dammit" onstage and nobody hears it but the castmember and the one next to him, he gets terminated a week later.
A bad comparison, but really, if Disney wants to uphold their family-friendly-at-any-cost image, then they'll recall.
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A bad comparison, but really, if Disney wants to uphold their family-friendly-at-any-cost image, then they'll recall.
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I think it depends on each individual parent, some might not mind the "F-bomb" while others will mind. I never did think it's appropriate for kids to hear or use that kind of language, so for myself I would be kind of upset if it was really noticable. I guess because I grew from a family where cursing was prohibited, and today I don't usually use those kinds of words in my casual vocabulary, like if I'm upset some might slip out, but I always try and hold it especially when younger ones are around cause I feel like they should live life happily in their innocence while it last, which is actually getting harder to do these days. Like I cannot stand when I hear my younger cousins cuss, they are 14 and 15 and I'm like "where you did pick up those kinds of words? Don't talk like that around the family!" and it's really quite obviouse where it comes from being in school and with friends it's not hard to learn new words. I suppose they are older now and they're not the kids that used to watch Disney movies with me anymore lol.
Even though Disney Duster is right, it isn't really an offensive word, but the way I see it, it's a word that expresses a more negative(or positive) emphasis in all subjects, really it depends on what it's used for someone could use it positively like "that was f****** hilarious!" but even so, I see the F word as a word that is only used for emphasis and it's not really needed on any occasion, it just sounds wrong, especially when used in the actual meaning of it.
However I'm very surprised to see that something like that slipped into a DVD that has a prodominent younger audience.
Even though Disney Duster is right, it isn't really an offensive word, but the way I see it, it's a word that expresses a more negative(or positive) emphasis in all subjects, really it depends on what it's used for someone could use it positively like "that was f****** hilarious!" but even so, I see the F word as a word that is only used for emphasis and it's not really needed on any occasion, it just sounds wrong, especially when used in the actual meaning of it.
However I'm very surprised to see that something like that slipped into a DVD that has a prodominent younger audience.
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Mind you, I never cuss around my daughter's friends. Save maybe a few, who's parents are good friends of mine and I know they find it acceptable and okay. My daughter hears the curse words, but she knows she isn't allowed to say them. When she is older, we'll deal with it then. And like jeremy said, when they are used an an adjective to add one to an exclaimation, its one thing. I usually try not to insult people....least to their face. LOL I have had plenty of times customers have left the store and I muttered "omg, he is such a pain in my f'in arse!" Or jokingly to friends when they are being a smartarse, "you're a f'in moron!", but not seriously. I rarely insult people (to their face), I can't be bothered to hurt someone. Sure, a mutterance of something to vent, but it never lasts long.
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Ha, Escapay, I hope you can use the DVD as a kind of blackmail to Disney. They wanna fire you for saying a bad word? Bring this up.
Thank you all for responding. I must ask: Do we not want kids to say bad words just because they're bad? Or is it because they are a mark of the grown-up, and we don't want them to grow up yet? Does it bother us because it's like younger kids talking about shakespeare and physics? It's mis-matched. It's weird hearing little kids use bad words, isn't it?
Or perhaps not. I know some parents freak when their kids say "that sucks!" because it's so negative. So is that it, we want our kids to be happy happy and never express hate for anything?
Is it the mixture fo both? It's adult and it's vulgar? It's hateful and mature?
It bothers people when we say bad words, but why? It seems the words are all style and no content. They don't even really mean anything, we say that's f***ed up if something's wrong or messed up, we say they f***ed each other when they have sex, so it has no definite meaning, though I believe it used to. Ha, the origines of the F-word. It's like looking for the origin of evil!
It's all reputation, it's all what we associate with the word, not what the word actually is.
Thank you all for responding. I must ask: Do we not want kids to say bad words just because they're bad? Or is it because they are a mark of the grown-up, and we don't want them to grow up yet? Does it bother us because it's like younger kids talking about shakespeare and physics? It's mis-matched. It's weird hearing little kids use bad words, isn't it?
Or perhaps not. I know some parents freak when their kids say "that sucks!" because it's so negative. So is that it, we want our kids to be happy happy and never express hate for anything?
Is it the mixture fo both? It's adult and it's vulgar? It's hateful and mature?
It bothers people when we say bad words, but why? It seems the words are all style and no content. They don't even really mean anything, we say that's f***ed up if something's wrong or messed up, we say they f***ed each other when they have sex, so it has no definite meaning, though I believe it used to. Ha, the origines of the F-word. It's like looking for the origin of evil!
It's all reputation, it's all what we associate with the word, not what the word actually is.
Well I'm not a parent yet, and I don't plan to be for a long time. But when I have kids, I would want them to know that you can express your feelings and emotions and you don't always have to be happy when times get tough, but there are ways they can do it with out the use of vulgarity. I would want them to just be kids, don't use that adult language until your ready to live in the adult world, to take their time and enjoy being young along with their innocence cause it only last for a little while.
Simple communication is all it takes, and I want them to have a good morality and be respectful to everyone, cause not everyone would like to hear those words. I see it as like, my child would be a reflection of me, and if one day my son or daughter starts school and if they use that foul language, the teacher is going to go up to him and say "How could you talk that? Does your father use those words?" so basically, I would want my future children to be careful with what they say, cause not everyone will take what you say lightly.
Simple communication is all it takes, and I want them to have a good morality and be respectful to everyone, cause not everyone would like to hear those words. I see it as like, my child would be a reflection of me, and if one day my son or daughter starts school and if they use that foul language, the teacher is going to go up to him and say "How could you talk that? Does your father use those words?" so basically, I would want my future children to be careful with what they say, cause not everyone will take what you say lightly.
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Well, I'm arguing that a vulgarity has no power. Who says the words are bad in the first place? Who says they are adult? The reason we consider sex adult is because it originally was meant for having children and bonding with your loved one, and the pain and stress it would have on kids is bad, as well as mess them up a bit. The reason drug references in movies is considered adult is just because they are illegal but they make people feel good and people fear that if their kids see people using drugs the will want to. The reason foul language is adult...???? Give me a good reason. And the fact that adults use it is not a good one.
The only reason I don't use the words or would want my kids to is because it offends other people. Now, other people really don't have much good reason to be offended, but they are. The F-word is just harsher, it stands for a lot of hate or a lot of anger, when used properly (some people use it so much it loses it's power at all).
If someone never uses the F-word, but then says it when they're really angry and it's really important, the words lets people know how angry they are and how important it is. But not if they use it all the time.
Anyway, the F-bomb was heard in a bonus feature of High School Musical: The Concert - Extreme Access Pass, and the bonus features aren't rated, so if Disney has it written that the bonus features aren't rated, they're probably in the clear. Sorry, Escapay. You know, I was really hoping this would possibly end the High School Musical stuff. But it's not like I hate it. I just don't care for it, but it's EVERYWHERE and in any Disney fan's face all the time and the fact that so many people love it annoys me.
The only reason I don't use the words or would want my kids to is because it offends other people. Now, other people really don't have much good reason to be offended, but they are. The F-word is just harsher, it stands for a lot of hate or a lot of anger, when used properly (some people use it so much it loses it's power at all).
If someone never uses the F-word, but then says it when they're really angry and it's really important, the words lets people know how angry they are and how important it is. But not if they use it all the time.
Anyway, the F-bomb was heard in a bonus feature of High School Musical: The Concert - Extreme Access Pass, and the bonus features aren't rated, so if Disney has it written that the bonus features aren't rated, they're probably in the clear. Sorry, Escapay. You know, I was really hoping this would possibly end the High School Musical stuff. But it's not like I hate it. I just don't care for it, but it's EVERYWHERE and in any Disney fan's face all the time and the fact that so many people love it annoys me.
I wouldn't want my kids running off at the mouth because it offends other people, though the word is not suppose to, it does anyway. Why? I don't know. It's so bad because of the way it's used by a lot of people who use it to explain or promote something negatively, which is not always true but when people use it in "F you" go "F yourself you mother F" that's what makes it so bad and harsh and thats what makes the subject seem adult. And for that reason it's why it's sought as a "bad" or "adult" word. And in movies, isn't that how they are used?
But like I said, people can prove their anger and feeling with out trying to show it through words people wouldn't normally want to hear, especially if it's coming from someone who dosen't normally cuss.
Oh forgot one more thing, all types of foul language is bad because: It's often used to degrade or demean someone or something, to hurt them and it tries to show them who they are. Thats not a good thing to do because, what is that going to do? Nothing, using offensive language dosen't do anything but show how low someone can go, to try and hurt another person, because it makes them feel superior, when really all you gotta do is communicate and that could be done with out all those offending words.
But like I said, people can prove their anger and feeling with out trying to show it through words people wouldn't normally want to hear, especially if it's coming from someone who dosen't normally cuss.
Oh forgot one more thing, all types of foul language is bad because: It's often used to degrade or demean someone or something, to hurt them and it tries to show them who they are. Thats not a good thing to do because, what is that going to do? Nothing, using offensive language dosen't do anything but show how low someone can go, to try and hurt another person, because it makes them feel superior, when really all you gotta do is communicate and that could be done with out all those offending words.
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I, for one, LOOOOOVE the F-word. I use it about 50 times a second!
No, not really, but I use it... A LOT!
That's just me though. I agree with what Disney Duster is saying, words only have as much power as people give them. That, and people seriously need to lighten up and have a sense of humour about themselves and other things. A word is a word. Who cares? And if parents are so concerned about their kids hearing an F-word, it's stupid. There are plenty more important things they should be worrying about that some stupid word.
I remember back when I started using curse words around my parents. At first they obviously would get mad and tell me not to use them (I was probably around 15). After a while they got used to it and no longer cared. I think that's all it was. That kids/teens "arent supposed to use those words". Once I started using them, I guess they saw a bomb didnt go off or people died.
What if all of a sudden started using the word "happy" to insult someone? A few decades down the line, it would be unnacceptable only because we've given it that negative association.
Seriously, it's just a f****** word.
No, not really, but I use it... A LOT!
That's just me though. I agree with what Disney Duster is saying, words only have as much power as people give them. That, and people seriously need to lighten up and have a sense of humour about themselves and other things. A word is a word. Who cares? And if parents are so concerned about their kids hearing an F-word, it's stupid. There are plenty more important things they should be worrying about that some stupid word.
I remember back when I started using curse words around my parents. At first they obviously would get mad and tell me not to use them (I was probably around 15). After a while they got used to it and no longer cared. I think that's all it was. That kids/teens "arent supposed to use those words". Once I started using them, I guess they saw a bomb didnt go off or people died.
What if all of a sudden started using the word "happy" to insult someone? A few decades down the line, it would be unnacceptable only because we've given it that negative association.
Seriously, it's just a f****** word.
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That'd bring a whole new meaning to the phrase "happy hour"!xxhplinkxx wrote:What if all of a sudden started using the word "happy" to insult someone?
I vote we start using the word "goozack" to replace the word "door". Anyone who disagrees with me shall be henceforth banished to the 19th story...
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well, my whole point of the matter, is, why bother using words that are often used to offend and demean people? Yeah their just words and originally they were actually used to describe something, but people today have taken them toa whole other level, where today, its not right.
I'm not saying it's wrong to use them in casual conversation within the people you are comfortable with and who are okay with it, hey by all means go for it, but when you hear a kid say that to another kid to "try" and insult them and being disrespectful, what do you say? What kind of image does it put on people these days?
And c'mon now let's think about today, and not what words will be wrong in the future. Cause really that could take forever. And who knows what words may be wrong in the future, I dunno.
I'm not saying it's wrong to use them in casual conversation within the people you are comfortable with and who are okay with it, hey by all means go for it, but when you hear a kid say that to another kid to "try" and insult them and being disrespectful, what do you say? What kind of image does it put on people these days?
And c'mon now let's think about today, and not what words will be wrong in the future. Cause really that could take forever. And who knows what words may be wrong in the future, I dunno.
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Good debating, jeremy88! I suppose since the word at some point in time, whether originally or not, stood for sex, so I guess in that sense it is adult. Good point.
And your write-up of how all bad language is bad, well, yes I know it's used to demean things, and I suppose it comes down to verbal abuse. It's not physical, but sometimes it can hurt people more than a real punch or slap to the face.
So, The Little Merman, it may now seem I'm going to the dark side and finally seeing why the F-word is so bad. But I also realize it depends on how you use it. It still is just a word and words only have the power we give them, so if you use it just to give things you say more punch or make sentences more fun, that's alright. It's when it's used to completely degrade something to the highest level and show your absolute hate that it's rather hurtful.
As for the subject at hand, is this instance of the F-word in the DVD that bad? Now there's a question. Whether it's that audible or not is irrelevent now. How is it used? Is it bad because kids could start saying it, and then people who hear them say it, even if they just say it for laughs, might get offended? Surely no one would be offended if your kid said the word when they messed up a dance move?
Has anyone here heard it yet? I should rent it just to hear it.
And your write-up of how all bad language is bad, well, yes I know it's used to demean things, and I suppose it comes down to verbal abuse. It's not physical, but sometimes it can hurt people more than a real punch or slap to the face.
So, The Little Merman, it may now seem I'm going to the dark side and finally seeing why the F-word is so bad. But I also realize it depends on how you use it. It still is just a word and words only have the power we give them, so if you use it just to give things you say more punch or make sentences more fun, that's alright. It's when it's used to completely degrade something to the highest level and show your absolute hate that it's rather hurtful.
Sounds like that comes from some book where a teacher comes back as a ghost on Hallloween and ther's some janitor named Louis...am I right?Escapay wrote:I vote we start using the word "goozack" to replace the word "door". Anyone who disagrees with me shall be henceforth banished to the 19th story...
As for the subject at hand, is this instance of the F-word in the DVD that bad? Now there's a question. Whether it's that audible or not is irrelevent now. How is it used? Is it bad because kids could start saying it, and then people who hear them say it, even if they just say it for laughs, might get offended? Surely no one would be offended if your kid said the word when they messed up a dance move?
Has anyone here heard it yet? I should rent it just to hear it.
Yes. Absolutely. This is bad - and should result in the disc being recalled immediately.
As adults we can discuss and debate how offensive the word is (and I'm of the view that a word is just a word - to me the tone and nature of how the word is said is more important and more likely to cause offense than the actual word itself) but parents have every right to regulate their child's exposure to such words. And with HSM being a Disney branded product, and famous for being "wholesome" (although I'm not so sure its as "wholesome" as it first appears) they have every right to expect it to conform to their expectations and be angry when it doesn't.
(but oddly, doesn't the Finding Nemo commentary use the F-Word on the R1 release? I'm pretty sure it does, and it was bleeped on the UK release!)
As adults we can discuss and debate how offensive the word is (and I'm of the view that a word is just a word - to me the tone and nature of how the word is said is more important and more likely to cause offense than the actual word itself) but parents have every right to regulate their child's exposure to such words. And with HSM being a Disney branded product, and famous for being "wholesome" (although I'm not so sure its as "wholesome" as it first appears) they have every right to expect it to conform to their expectations and be angry when it doesn't.
(but oddly, doesn't the Finding Nemo commentary use the F-Word on the R1 release? I'm pretty sure it does, and it was bleeped on the UK release!)
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It was bleeped here too, a la the Jacques Costeau references on <i>The Life Aquatic</i>'s commentary. Though I must admit I was (somewhat pleasantly) surprised that even bleeped that was allowed on the <i>Finding Nemo</i> DVD. I guess those were Pixar's edgy, independent days, but the same DVD had that bust-reduction on a more likely to be seen bonus.2099net wrote:(but oddly, doesn't the Finding Nemo commentary use the F-Word on the R1 release? I'm pretty sure it does, and it was bleeped on the UK release!)
I think we all need to watch this...
The History of the F Word...Obviously the word is spoken outloud several times, so please, if you are offended by it. Don't watch it. If you watch it and your parents may hear you watching it and they may be offended, don't watch it.
The History of the F Word...Obviously the word is spoken outloud several times, so please, if you are offended by it. Don't watch it. If you watch it and your parents may hear you watching it and they may be offended, don't watch it.
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