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Prince Phillip wrote:I am very anti-Pinocchio. I find it highly disturbing and terrible. I suppose most love it cause it is a staple of Disney and and well animated, but I find the story very twisted and dark, this is one disney animated classic that I do NOT like, however, I will probably buy it, when it comes out as a Platinum, who knows, I may have a completely different view point on it at that time...

Well, I was reading Bambi's review here, and according to what I read Pinnochio's a dark Italian Fairytale, so you can kind of see why Disney made it "dark and Twisted".
Well, I LOVE Pinocchio! It's one of my all-time favorites, that and Alice. I can't wait for it to come out in 2008 as part of the PE line.
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I like Pinocchio, too.
Of course it's a little dark, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that, considering that most Disney films aren't very dark (except for The Black Cauldron and so on ;)).

The story is very nice and I absolutely love the music.

But, I remember being very afraid when I was on the Pinocchio ride in Disneyland Paris because everything felt kinda spooky to me, especially Monstro. ;)
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What a painful discussion!

Everybody saying it's too dark, too bleak need to toughen the hell up and grow a pair of balls. Not everything should always be super cheerful and cute. No! Not even disney. And luckily Walt embraced this concept to the fullest. It's a world of wonder, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a fake world of wonder.

Now that I've got that out of the way, Pinocchio is definately the finest disney movie ever made (IMO blah). It constains the whole shebang: Many memorable quotes, characters, songs, setpieces, lessons and most of all perfect, still unequalled animation! Also the movie has the perfect length, not too long for its own good, not too short to leave you unfulfilled.

There are a few that are amazingly great as well, like Alice in wonderland, Jungle book, Dumbo, Peter pan, Sword in the stone, Robin hood ( people need to stop sounding elite and just accept that robin hood is one of the best animated films ever made- it's becoming annoying), Bambi...but none beats out Pinocchio, never!
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I'll basically agree with you about Pinocchio.

But...
Major Fatal Moebius wrote:people need to stop sounding elite and just accept that robin hood is one of the best animated films ever made
Do I understand you correctly here...? I'd say the "objective" approach here would work better on Pinocchio than on RH...
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Do I understand you correctly here...? I'd say the "objective" approach here would work better on Pinocchio than on RH...
I believe you do. I've only ever heard one creditable argument not in Robin Hood's favor and that is the recycled animation. And I think this argument is way too lightweight and shallow to be taken seriously. Cause frankly, the animation demonstrated in Robin hood works perfectly fine, whether or not a little of it might have been 'borrowed'.

Almost all other critique i've come across is either an exaggeration of the above argument. Or they point out the rehash of characters from previous disney films. Boring! That will not do, you know.

What about the perfect fuckin' songs? Not in nottingham? Oo-de-lally? Whistle-Stop? The charming portrayal of Robin hood? The absolutely divine comedy of Prince John? The clever set pieces ( eg: robin hood trying to steal John's moneybags whilst he's sleeping), The archery contest... ?

Sure, it isn't a super epic disney movie, but what it does is create a perfect little movie full of wonder and comedy.

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Frankly, I like RH quite a bit myself - though I'm far from impressed by the craftsmanship achieved over 30 years after Pinocchio...
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Frankly, I like RH quite a bit myself - though I'm far from impressed by the craftsmanship achieved over 30 years after Pinocchio...
Agreed. Pinocchio set the bar too high! :wink:
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Prince Phillip wrote:I am very anti-Pinocchio. I find it highly disturbing and terrible. I suppose most love it cause it is a staple of Disney and and well animated, but I find the story very twisted and dark, this is one disney animated classic that I do NOT like, however, I will probably buy it, when it comes out as a Platinum, who knows, I may have a completely different view point on it at that time...
I have to say that I am with you on this one. I have only seen Pinocchio once (that I can truly remember it) and that was about a year and a half ago. I just thought it was really strange for a childrens movie. That is pretty much all I can say about it was that I thought it was incredibly weird. I felt like it started off great, but as the movie progressed it just got stranger and stranger. Of course, the one highlight I do recall from the movie is "When You Wish Upon A Star" which is without a doubt one of the most classic and wonderful Disney songs of all time (tied for #3 on the UD list)! I will undoubtedly buy the film when it surfaces on Platinum Edition and give it another chance. I have been known to watch a couple Disney movies again that I didn't think were all that great and end up loving them, so I guess we'll see. If the Platinum title gets a GOOD set of bonus features with interviews and a making of segment I'm sure I could learn to appreciate this film more.
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I just watched "Pinocchio" around a month ago and I was astonished. I haven't seen that film since I was a child and I don't remember it that much except the song "When You Wish Upon A Star". Appearently, it became my third favorite animated classic of all time next to "The Lion King" and "The Jungle Book". "Pinocchio" is a heart-warming, scary, and sad film at the same time. The story is great as well as the characters.
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Now, I'd agree with you wholeheartly about Jiminy Cricket. While he's a very likeable character, he appeared on a 1947 pakage film "Fun and Fancy Free" and "I'm No Fool" animated shorts.

As a conclusion to my thoughts about this film, "Pinocchio" is definately one of Disney's best and I can't wait to get it on DVD when it is released in 2008 as a "Platinum Edition".
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I kinda like Robin Hood, too. It certainly isn't one of the best efforts from Disney and yes, it's not one of my all-time favorites, but it's not bad!
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Major Fatal Moebius wrote:
Frankly, I like RH quite a bit myself - though I'm far from impressed by the craftsmanship achieved over 30 years after Pinocchio...
Agreed. Pinocchio set the bar too high! :wink:
So true. Around 1940 was The Golden Age of Disney animation.
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Pinocchio is one of many perfect Disney films that I've seen and I agree with some folks bout the film being too dark, Snow White had dark moments then again it had a romantic subplot while Pinocchio didn't have a romantic subplot.

Another controversy Pinocchio contains aside from the Pleasure Island sequnces is the use of "Jackass", Lampwick, Coachman, and Jiminy Cricket use Jackass to describe donkeys. Course I'm not offended by it, but others might, when I first heard that word coming out of the Jiminy's mouth yes I was freaked out that one of my fav. Disney Characters sweared in a Disney film. The film's quite powerful when it comes to animation, plot tones, etc, Walt knew that if he was gon'na be a household name, he'd be willing to show his film's darkside.


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Mason_Ireton wrote:Another controversy Pinocchio contains aside from the Pleasure Island sequnces is the use of "Jackass", Lampwick, Coachman, and Jiminy Cricket use Jackass to describe donkeys. Course I'm not offended by it, but others might, when I first heard that word coming out of the Jiminy's mouth yes I was freaked out that one of my fav. Disney Characters sweared in a Disney film.
But that word was not considered a swearword at the time the film was made. In fact, I don't think jackass is considered much of a swearword today except by over-zealous parents. It was more of a slang term for donkey, particuliarly a boy donkey, so they were basically just saying "donkey" in a less polite way. It's actually a play on words, because jackass can also mean an idiot or a fool. Dictionary.com doesn't say it's vulgar at all on this page.

I believe the original intention of the book and film version of Pinocchio was that because they acted like jackasses (fools), they turned into jackasses (donkeys). Kind of like, "You are what you eat."
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One thing that I find funny about Pinocchio is the scene where Pinocchio and Jimminy Cricket are trying to find Monstro (who's my fav. character from the movie) and Jimminy gets caught in a bubble, which starts to fill with water. The weird part about this scene is he's trying to stop water from filling the bubble so he won't drown, but just seconds ago he was walking on the ocean floor :lol: :lol: Anyways, I think this movie is okay, it's been a while since I've seen it though.
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Big Disney Fan wrote:Well, I LOVE Pinocchio! It's one of my all-time favorites, that and Alice. I can't wait for it to come out in 2008 as part of the PE line.
I can't wait to get it on DVD a year from now. To get back to the subject, I remember my parents took me to see "Pinocchio" was at the Ziegfeld Theater in Manhattan back in 1978. That was the first theater to see that movie along with a holiday short "The Small One". Both were released separately except the reissue of a 1940 classic.

As I said, I was three months old at the time when my mom and dad took me to the movies to see "Pinocchio" for the very first time. That was three months after I was born.
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Overall i love Pinnochio. In fact many scenes didn't disturbed me THAT much however except one scene. That scene is when Jiminny Cricket had that creepy scene with the clocks about beginning of the movie. The way he moves his eyes creep me out plus the slientness and just tick tock noise in background and that it was in dark atmosphere. Despite that one scene, Jiminney was my fav character there. I also like Lampwick too.
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I took the liberty of producing a Platinum trailer for Pinocchio's 70th aniversary celebration in 2008-2009 (?) Worked real hard on it and gave it all my best, so I hope you enjoy it.

Into The Rush: The beloved Pinocchio will return to our homes for a 70th aniv. of magic, crickets, and adventure, while feeling the rush of his life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kHAFgF-V3Y

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Mason_Ireton wrote:I took the liberty of producing a Platinum trailer for Pinocchio's 70th aniversary celebration in 2008-2009 (?) Worked real hard on it and gave it all my best, so I hope you enjoy it.

Into The Rush: The beloved Pinocchio will return to our homes for a 70th aniv. of magic, crickets, and adventure, while feeling the rush of his life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kHAFgF-V3Y

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Pinocchio's 70th anniversary is actually in 2010, but you're trailer was very good.

I'm really looking forward to Pinocchio's re-release, I just wish we had conformation that it is a 2008 PE. I've been forcing myself not to buy the Gold Collection disc for months now because the PE is supposedly not far away. If we found out it was actually for 2009 or later I'd def. buy it, but I hate double dipping on titles that are less than 16 months away from a re-release.

It has always been one of my favourite movies, but I have a tendancy to like Disney's more "Adult themed" movies more than the others (Hunchback, Black Cauldron, Alice are all among my favourites) so that doesn't surprise me. I can see where they are coming from with the "too dark" comments, but think about it, would Pinocchio work without it's dark auroa? Absolutley not.
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Mason_Ireton wrote:I took the liberty of producing a Platinum trailer for Pinocchio's 70th aniversary celebration in 2008-2009 (?)
They were obviously hard at work on Pinocchio in 38-39, but it was released in 1940, so you've got the time until 2010 for the 70th anniversary. 8)
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Widdi wrote:, but think about it, would Pinocchio work without it's dark auroa? Absolutley not.
Well in the original story, Pinocchio was actually a sarcastic and mischief boy. The dark auroa workn't work as well cause in the film Pinocchio is more innocent and kid friendly where the rest of the cast are more dark.

I gives off and bigger and stronger contrast as oppose to Pinocchio being sarcastic etc.
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