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I ordered my PlayStation 3 about two months ago, and it just came by UPS. Now I have something to play around with. It is a lot smaller than I thought.

I got the 60GB one, I believe that it sells for $599, and on eBay they are asking $4,000 for it. I hope noone patronizes those guys on eBay, they are only in it for the money.

Anyway, while I am sitting here in my recliner feeling sorry for myself, the UPS guy put a smile on my face and now I have something to experiment with and I don't have go down stairs to watch my Blu-Ray movies.

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Congrats. What games did you get for it?
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Congrats!

It's not released here in Europe until March(!), so it'll be a long time until I can get my hands on it. :cry:
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Where did you order it from? I'm glad you didn't have to stand in line for two days at Best Buy.
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I hope noone patronizes those guys on eBay, they are only in it for the money.
Of course people will, though, since the vast majority of people are impatient. If I'd had the opportunity to get a PS3 myself, it surely would've gone to eBay. This particular over-engineered example of bloatware doesn't interest me. On top of the ridiculous price, the supposed $80+ game prices (assuming there are even any games out yet; Sony seemed pretty confident they could sell-out at launch without even releasing launch games :roll:) the entire affair makes me feel ill. I'm glad you got one without waiting in line with the biggest idiots, but I personally believe the PS3 is going to fail miserably. It'll sell out at launch, of course... probably 30%-40% of those will be heading to eBay, though. It's not a good sign when so many of the people buying your hardware aren't even interested in using it themselves, but simply reselling it to wealthy morons who are incapable of waiting a month or two for a toy. And of course, if the PS2 is anything to go by, there will be quite a few hardare defects; especially in the first few revisions.

If Sony were smart, they'd have set up a few hundred eBay accounts and sold a couple thousand units that way... at least then they may have actually made a profit instead of losing around $400 for every unit sold.

As for myself, I'll be going with the Wii; and perhaps a 360 at some point down the road if the price drops.
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November 17, 2006
PlayStation 3 doesn’t do 1080i
Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 4:15 am
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Do you own an older CRT HD TV set that only supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i? If you do, Sony's new PlayStation 3 has a surprise for you - it doesn't do 1080i.

What this means is that the image is downscaled from 720p to 480p instead of being upscaled to 1080i. This problem specifically affects games designed for 720p but not 1080i, for example Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. This upscaling is something that Microsoft's Xbox 360 can handle without a problem (although it can have a problem with 1080i).

There's no word from Sony yet as to whether this is a problem that can be fixed via an update or whether it's a true technical limitation, so some early adopters could be in for a nasty (and possibly expensive) surprise. If your HD TV doesn't support 1080p and you're not in the mood to buy one that does, then you might be better off waiting a little while and seeing how this one plays out.

Sony really, really, want you to buy games for your PS3 - and lots of them!As an aside, it's also interesting to note how much Sony is subsidizing the PS3. It turns out that they are losing $307 for every 20GB PS3 and $241 for every 60GB PS3, and that's before before marketing and distribution costs. Compare this to the Xbox, where initially Microsoft was losing $153 per unit a year ago but who are now making $75.70 on each one sold. When it comes to the Wii, Nintendo is making a profit from the outset. What does this tell you? That Sony really, really, want you to buy games for your PS3 - and lots of them!

So, if you're buying a PS3 any time soon, and it feels like a lot of money, just remember that Sony is feeling your pain too.
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DisneyDVDFAN wrote:November 17, 2006
PlayStation 3 doesn’t do 1080i
Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 4:15 am
Digg This!

Do you own an older CRT HD TV set that only supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i? If you do, Sony's new PlayStation 3 has a surprise for you - it doesn't do 1080i.

What this means is that the image is downscaled from 720p to 480p instead of being upscaled to 1080i. This problem specifically affects games designed for 720p but not 1080i, for example Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. This upscaling is something that Microsoft's Xbox 360 can handle without a problem (although it can have a problem with 1080i).

There's no word from Sony yet as to whether this is a problem that can be fixed via an update or whether it's a true technical limitation, so some early adopters could be in for a nasty (and possibly expensive) surprise. If your HD TV doesn't support 1080p and you're not in the mood to buy one that does, then you might be better off waiting a little while and seeing how this one plays out.

Sony really, really, want you to buy games for your PS3 - and lots of them!As an aside, it's also interesting to note how much Sony is subsidizing the PS3. It turns out that they are losing $307 for every 20GB PS3 and $241 for every 60GB PS3, and that's before before marketing and distribution costs. Compare this to the Xbox, where initially Microsoft was losing $153 per unit a year ago but who are now making $75.70 on each one sold. When it comes to the Wii, Nintendo is making a profit from the outset. What does this tell you? That Sony really, really, want you to buy games for your PS3 - and lots of them!

So, if you're buying a PS3 any time soon, and it feels like a lot of money, just remember that Sony is feeling your pain too.
That's a rather unfortunate oversight on Sony's part, but hardly surprising when taken with all the other blunders made with the PS3 (the lack of an HDMI connection on the 20GB models ranks up there with this). Even more so since personally, I'd buy a CRT HDTV that supports 1080i before buying any of the other HDTVs on the market with a native resolution of only 1366x768... at least the CRT is capable of natively displaying 1080. LCDs are incredibly bad at scaling images while preserving quality. The few LCDs on the market with an actual native resoltion of 1920x1080 are so expensive they're not even worth considering.
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To be fair, all PS3s have HDMI ports now, and the Xbox360 doesn't - at all.

What I find more interesting is how on all multi-console titles, the PS3 is stated to be lacking next to the 360 version by most reviewers. Check out the IGN PS3 reviews for example. So much for the "next generation doesn't start until we say it does" from Sony. Some people have been enjoying it for a whole year.

Here's an interesting take on the differences between the Xbox360 Ridge Racer (a 360 launch title) and the PS3 Ridge Racer (a PS3 launch title)

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/kotaku/mul ... 215497.php
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If it makes you happy, Bill, then I'm happy for you. Enjoy watching your Blu-Ray movies on it.

I, on the other hand, do not want to have anything to do with that overpriced machine. Sure, it makes a cheap Blu-Ray player, but, it's a videogame machine, and I buy videogame machines to play games!

It's a Wii for me!
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As much as I want one of these, I'm going to wait it out until they work out all the bugs and I have more money. I might get a Wii in the meantime, but I'm still very unimpressed by Wii, expecially their controllers.

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Just Myself wrote:As much as I want one of these, I'm going to wait it out until they work out all the bugs and I have more money. I might get a Wii in the meantime, but I'm still very unimpressed by Wii, expecially their controllers.

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Have you played Wii? I did, at EB Games, today, and that controller is awesome! I don't know how anyone could be unimpressed with it?! It works, very well.
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Ugh, I hated it. It was confusing, the buttons were horribly placed, and I found it painful to hold. The whole 'Nunchuk' design sucks royally if you ask me.

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Probably just wait until next year PlayStation 3 because most of the first systems usually have glitches or problems.

Congratulation Bill at least you didn't have to camp out like some people at Best Buy and Wal-Mart.
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Just Myself wrote:Ugh, I hated it. It was confusing, the buttons were horribly placed, and I found it painful to hold. The whole 'Nunchuk' design sucks royally if you ask me.

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That's very odd to hear. It is a great design, in my opinion, and certainly is very comfortable. Oh, well. To each their own.
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While the game system itself is not Hi-Def 1080i, the Blu-Ray player is, and the upconvert feature works marvelously. I am not a big knowledgeable computer geek, but the wireless stuff looks pretty cool. The Wireless controller that comes with the set is amazing. It has a 65' range and it is really quick. No delay like on the PS2.

Only have my Blu-Ray movies to play on it, but some of the PS2 games I played on today were just amazing. The colors are much brighter, and the play is a lot smoother than on the PS2.

I am just having fun, and so far I haven't notcied any glitches in the Blu-Ray part of the system. My son-in-law is coming over tomorrow and help me put it through its paces and we will see if anything happens.

However, I never had any problems with my PS2, I don't know what glitches are supposed to be in it, but apparently mine didn't suffer from any. I hope that I am just as lucky with my PS3.

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Oh dear. Have you all seen this?
For those with 1080i HDTVs, limitations of the system may keep you from truly experiencing the "Full HD" of the PlayStation 3. Because PS3 cannot scale images up or down currently, owners of HDTVs that are capable of 1080i resolutions but not 720p images will see some next-generation PS3 titles displayed at a maximum resolution of 480p if the game does not have 1080i support. Most HDTV sets are capable of both 1080i and 720p, but a number of CRT HDTVs as well as some older HDTVs models do not support the in-between image format.

HDTV owners should check their TV manual or look up online to see what formats their display can play. If your set is a 1080p set, you should be fine -- 1080p sets should be built to run at all HDTV resolutions (and if yours does not ... man, we'd hate to be the owner of that hunk of bunk.) If your set maxes out at 720p, you are safe for all PS3 videogames -- while you won't be able to get the full 1080p that PS3 is capable of, you will at least get to enjoy HD images in games that support it -- but Blu-Ray video playback may currently be limited. If your set is runs the upper-quality 1080i yet cannot display the progressive intermediate 720p, you might have a problem in PS3 videogames -- many are designed to run in 1080i, but the ones that are not will kick down to 480p. And if your set is capable of 1080i, 720p, and 480p/i, then of course you are fine -- your set supports all major HD standards, and there should never be a game on PS3 that is 1080p-only.

Since the PS3 hardware does not upscale the 720p image to 1080i (and in the case of Blu-Ray movies, may not downscale a 1080i image to 720p), the PlayStation 3 software will have to kick down to 480p mode to display on the set. Even if you don't know what all that this means in technical terms, it's easy to get that 480 is less than 720, and a heck of a lot less than 1080 (even in interlaced mode.) Everybody would like the PS3 to at least run at as high a resolution as their TV is capable of, even if there are cases where the ideal resolution isn't native to the TV.

Launch games that are affected by the 1080i-only problem (for those with these types of HD sets) include Resistance, Genji: Day of the Blade, Tony Hawk's Project 8, Need for Speed Carbon, and Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom, amongst others in the launch line-up. Again, these games will work on PS3 even if your HDTV has display limitations, but the games will output at less than their maximum resolution on certain TVs because the PS3 does not compensate for resolution incompatibilities by scaling the image.
It appears if you don't have the exact spec HD TV system, PS3 won't display in any form of HD. Now we know why Sony always insisted 1080p was "true HD", because they basically ignored most of the other common resolutions. :roll: Considering how few 1080p TVs there are, and how much they cost, it looks like a lot of people with HD TVs will end up with a HD console not capable of showing HD on their system.

Upscaling and downscaling can't be that hard, the 360s been doing it for a year. I know I'm sounding was biased, which to an extent I am, but this PS3 launch has to be one of the biggest botches in gaming history - everything just screams "rush job" (as well as being overhyped and underdelivering)

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p1.html
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Bill, you may want to check your catalog of PS1 and PS2 games. It appears that there are nearly 200 games from those systems that have some sort of compatibility issue with the PS3.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html

PS3 Backwards Compatibility Issues
New system has some problems with past titles.
by Anoop Gantayat

November 12, 2006 - Sony may have included the PS2's CPU and GPU with every PlayStation 3 system, but the system still appears to be having some problems with backwards compatibility. Just in time for the PS3's second anniversary (the second day it's been on the market in Japan), Sony passed on the specifics.

Now accessible at the Japanese PlayStation.com site is a page for seeking out the backwards compatibility status of PS2 and PS1 titles. The Japanese page can be accessed here. By inputting the title, publisher name, release date or product number (an eight digit code containing four letters followed by a hyphen then four numbers), you can seek out the status of the 7,841 titles in Sony's database.

A warning about this search engine. It's a bit tough to read, as it lists all versions of individual games separately. A game might have its main version listed separate from its limited edition, its budget version, its second budget version, and so forth. This is one of the reason you'll find over 350 games listed under Konami, although Konami hasn't actually released that many games.

Most of the titles have the following message next to them "Currently, there have been no reports of major problems during play." Whether or not the games actually don't have a problem, or there is a problem but Sony hasn't found it yet, is up in the air.

We did find a few problem titles by looking through the list. Here's a quick run down.

Tekken 5: A number of modes don't play background music properly.

Xenosaga Episode II: The opening movie sometimes stops and sometimes doesn't properly play background music.

Code Age Commanders: Problems (including data loss) with save game data.

Radiata Stories: Background music during movie scenes may not play back properly.

Star Ocean Till the End of Time (includes Directors Cut): Movie scenes may not have proper sound playback.

Driving Emotion Type-S: BGM may not properly play back during races

Gran Turismo 4: The screen may freeze following the title demo.

Hot Shots Golf 3/4: Some sort of problem with the controls becoming unresponsive

Operator's Side: The game freezes at the logo screen when started up with the Seamic controller

Onimusha Dawn of Dreams: Screen will occasionally appear 2cm to the right

Hyper Street Fighter II Anniversary Edition: The screen will not appear correctly in some instances. The S.F.II Movie cannot play properly.

Megaman X7: There are times when the background music won't play properly

Devil May Cry: The screen will sometimes freeze during the title demo

Onimusha: During movie playback, the sound will occasionally stop

Suikoden III: Cannot read PS1 data during the game.

Silent Hill 2: When going from the title screen to the demo screen, the screen may freeze

These are the major problems we found looking through the numerous pages for Sega, Namco, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony and Konami.

Some problems, including those for Ace Combat 5, Oz, SOCOM and so forth, were fixed with the System 1.10 update. Sony still lists those problems in the database.

We also noticed a few recurring problems, sometimes based off a common feature, sometimes carried across an entire series of titles. The PS3 Virtual Memory Card specifications do not allow for PS2 games to read PS1 data, which is something that's apparently used in Suikoden III and a few other titles. Most of the microphone-compatible games seem to have problems. Konami's dance/music games seem to have a number of problems.

In addition to the software compatibility issues, Sony has made public the issues that arise due to hardware differences between the platforms, specifically the PS3 not using physical memory cards, not using a multitap, not having rumble built into its controller and other issues related to different hard disk and USB specifications.

As previously announced, you can keep using your PS2 game saves by purchasing a Memory Card Adapter (which is currently harder to find in Japan than actual PS3 units, it seems). Once you have the adapter, you'll be able to transfer your save files to the PS3 hard disk. The only catch is that games whose save icon displays a "No Copy" icon in the PS2 browser cannot have their data copied over.

The PS3 can't use a multitap. However, Sony states that this shouldn't be a problem with the system's ability to recognize seven Sixaxis controllers simultaneously.

Regarding USB peripherals, Sony states that some software that use such peripherals may not run properly on the PS3. It asks that users conduct the manufacturer of such products. As noted above, games using a microphone peripheral seem to have problems.

HDMI also gives problems to PS2 games. Sony states that as of 11/11, when the PS3 is connected to your entertainment center using HDMI, PS2 and PS1 games will output only in 2ch digital. When switching to Dolby/DTS modes for PS1 and PS2 games that are compatible with these sound systems, you'll get no sound output. For now, Sony recommends using an optical cable for such titles. This, of course, will require that you go into the settings menu and change the audio output cable.

The PS3 has no i-Link port, so you can't replicate the i-Link link-up feature from PS2 titles. The i-Link port was used as a bonus in only a few titles and was removed from future PlayStation 2 revisions.

Games that use the hard disk will currently not run. The problem is that the built-in PS3 hard disk cannot currently be used as a PS2 hard disk. We haven't tried it out ourselves, but this means games like Final Fantasy XI and Nobunaga's Ambition Online won't work.

For now at least. The good news is that Sony plans on making hard disk based PS2 games compatible in a future system software update. The list of titles that will work once this magic system update is carried is basically just Nobunaga's Ambition Online, Final Fantasy XI and the Play Online viewer, and Front Mission Online in all their variations, including expansions.

Other backwards compatibility problems will also, hopefully, be fixed in future updates. It's doubtful that the PS3 will every be fully backwards compatible, though, as even the slim model PS2 doesn't play back some PS2 titles properly.

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The craziest part of all of this is Sony's official response:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745506p1.html

"In response to these issues, Sony's PR department pointed out that it, from the start, expected backwards compatibility to be less than 100%. It was also good enough to point out that some people can put up with playing games that lack sound."

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That response is another reason I will never again buy a Sony PlayStation product. I learned my lesson with the PSP, and I will not make that same mistake, again.
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I heard there are problems with the first shipment and that everyone is returning their PS3 because there is a lot of glitches in the system.

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2099net wrote:Oh dear. Have you all seen this?

It appears if you don't have the exact spec HD TV system, PS3 won't display in any form of HD. Now we know why Sony always insisted 1080p was "true HD", because they basically ignored most of the other common resolutions. :roll: Considering how few 1080p TVs there are, and how much they cost, it looks like a lot of people with HD TVs will end up with a HD console not capable of showing HD on their system.

Upscaling and downscaling can't be that hard, the 360s been doing it for a year. I know I'm sounding was biased, which to an extent I am, but this PS3 launch has to be one of the biggest botches in gaming history - everything just screams "rush job" (as well as being overhyped and underdelivering)

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p1.html
This is only a problem if your TV supports 1080i, and not 720p, which I understand is quite rare?
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nordic wrote: http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746492p1.html

This is only a problem if your TV supports 1080i, and not 720p, which I understand is quite rare?
I think its for a probelm for TVs which don't support 1080 at all (not all HD TVs have that resolution, even today), and when they support 720, they only support it interlaced (720i). No TVs sold within the past two years should have this configuation, but I understand there were a fair few sold like this when HD TV was new, and standards hadn't been finalised. Some TVs were made this way because they all had various connections, before HDMI was settled upon (in fact before HDMI was even being discussed) and some analogue connections simply don't have the bandwidth for a 720p image.

But the whole sorry stare reflects badly on Sony. The fact that an all-powerful system such as the PS3 doesn't seem to do any native up/down scaling is, frankly, incredibly stupid. Even standard DVDs aren't "upscaled" in the machine. There's £50 DVD players that do that. Surely "The Power of Cell®" can churn out a 720i signal from a 720p signal? And more. Why have Sony virtually ignored this format? Once again, it comes down to Sony showing contempt for their customers. There's no reason why this should even be happening. The issue was not unknown - these displays have been out for 3 or 4 years.

The customer always comes first, unless its a Sony customer, because they simply don't care.
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