The /Film article reported this.Kyle wrote:I thought toy story had luxo jr? Probably wrong though.
Slate reports that Pixar is breaking its own long-held tradition of airing an animated short film in front of its next feature film, Toy Story 4. That makes it the first Pixar movie to hit theaters without a preceding short film since the original Toy Story in 1995, though that was later paired with the Oscar-winning short Tin Toy on its home video releases.
To be fair, Buzz was never the smartest toy in the room. The whole first film is about him not recognizing that he's a toy which seems something exclusive to Buzz Lightyears and the rest of the films always have a shtick to knock him out of commission like being replaced with the utility belt Buzz or going into demo and then Spanish modes. He does feel sidelined in this film, but this was very clearly Woody's story, even moreso than the rest of the films were. I've heard some people say that Toy Story 3 was the ending for all the main toys except Woody and this film is what brings closure to his story.Mooky wrote:I liked the movie, its messages and the bittersweet ending, I just felt the execution was a bit clunky. I didn't like how they made Buzz dumber for some reason, or the fact that Gabby Gabby was redeemed so easily after a quite severe act of physical violence, nor was I convinced Bonnie was *that* young to care so much about a weird "toy" ike Forky (who was somewhat annoying btw and all the trash gags got old quickly). I felt like they could have accomplished the same if he was just a new, "regular" toy.
I forgot to mention how gorgeous the film's animation is. The rain in the opening scene really is life-like and the chandelier scene later on is breathtaking. I would never think that a dusty and dingy old antique shop would ever be an attractive place to be, but the cinematography of the location makes it really enticing, even with the almost horror movie vibes. I thought it was jarring to jump from The Incredibles to Incredibles 2 because of the increase in animation quality, but that's nothing compared to the first Toy Story to this one. There's been discussions here on re-rendering the first two Toy Story films and I honestly think that wouldn't be a bad idea if they looked even half as good as this one.Mooky wrote:(Speaking of which, the movie looks absolutely beautiful and next to it the original looks positively ancient, so can we please get a re-render of it in the future? I may or may not be kidding.) But anyway, the love story. The look she gives in the beginning when she realizes Woody cares more about staying with Andy than leaving with her... Heartbreaking. I experienced something similar recently so my emotions may have been heightened, but man, did that make me tear up.
Jessie's brief reunion with Bo was really nice as well, especially since we never really get to see the two interact in the films. I was very happy to see Woody give Jessie his sheriff's badge as a parting gift after Bonnie initially gives it to her. I've heard some people complain that he should have given it to Buzz, but that literally makes no sense to me. Jessie would be Woody's natural predecessor in the sheriff role and it's important to note that it's not like she's taking over as leader of the toys because that is Dolly's role in Bonnie's room. Not surprisingly, there's been complaints online about the feminist undertones of this film with people criticizing Bonnie for dumping Woody after Andy gifted her to him, Dolly for "usurping" Woody's position as leader, Woody giving Jessie the badge instead of Buzz, and Bo Peep's 180 degrees transition. I didn't find this Bo very OOC personally, but that's probably because she was always a minor character in previous films and we never see her in action. Although I've heard that in the first Toy Story, when Woody and Buzz are trapped in Sid's room, the plan was that Bo would be the one to rescue them as a surprise twist to the audience who clearly wouldn't be expecting this so clearly the characterization isn't that far off from how she was envisioned.Mooky wrote:In an ideal but cliched world, all the toys would leave together with Bonnie, but this felt more realistic and thus more poignant. So even though the optimist in me would have liked that, the realist in me really appreciated the ending. But like JeanGreyForever, I too think they set up enough clues for an eventual TS5 (i.e. Bo clearly looks back fondly on her times with Molly and I'm not completely convinced she really enjoys being a lost toy) so a future reunion may not be out of the question. But I really loved the reunion scenes between Bo and Buzz and especially Bo and Jessie.
I'm not surprised. Pixar isn't as big of a deal in China as they are over the rest of the world. Coco was an exception to that rule.Warm Regards wrote:I found this mildly amusing, but also uplifting. (China never had the Ghibli films until very recently, so it's great to see positive response.)
"China Box Office: ‘Toy Story 4’ Beaten by Old Animated Film ‘Spirited Away’"
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/chin ... 51260/amp/
Exactly what I was thinking. Coco was the closest stand-in for Chinese culture that Pixar has ever done since all their other films are pretty westernized.Avaitor wrote: I'm not surprised. Pixar isn't as big of a deal in China as they are over the rest of the world. Coco was an exception to that rule.
I was surprised to see Bo and Woody end up together, but it was on her own terms. How do you feel about the way Bo’s story concluded?
Well, who says it’s a conclusion?
Oh?
I don’t know, but I think the people are going to be interested in what the toys do next.
That is very true, but I still felt like the character regressed on top of being sidelined. That whole inner voice thing seemed more like something TS1's Buzz or TS2's fake Buzz would do. In any case, I'm glad he came back to his old self in the end to provide words of encouragement for Woody.JeanGreyForever wrote:To be fair, Buzz was never the smartest toy in the room. The whole first film is about him not recognizing that he's a toy which seems something exclusive to Buzz Lightyears and the rest of the films always have a shtick to knock him out of commission like being replaced with the utility belt Buzz or going into demo and then Spanish modes. He does feel sidelined in this film, but this was very clearly Woody's story, even moreso than the rest of the films were. I've heard some people say that Toy Story 3 was the ending for all the main toys except Woody and this film is what brings closure to his story.
Oh I definitely agree with all of that. Even when mentioned by Bo and Giggle, they only think of her as annoying, never as villainous. I only had issues with her introductory scene, when she tries taking Woody's voice box by force. That seemed like a rather egregious assault to me and yet it never gets resolved or excused (I mean, I guess you could say she was desperate, but still). But other than that, I quite liked her arc in the second part of the movie.JeanGreyForever wrote:I actually really liked the take on Gabby Gabby. When she was first introduced, I was afraid she'd be a rehash of Stinky Pete or Lotso but she really shouldn't even be characterized as a villain as much as an antagonist and I really felt for her, moreso than any other Toy Story villain. Her story was especially moving to me when she reminds Woody of all the joyous moments he's shared with Andy and how even though that life will eventually end, she would give anything to just experience even one of those moments. I almost wish she had gone home with Bonnie at the end so she could have joined the main cast and we could continue to see her journey.
Haha, same actually. I think it's the lack of screen time for the other toys that made the final goodbye not as emotional for me as anything having to do with Woody and Bo. Perhaps it would have been different had the other toys participated in the rescue mission. They were not involved in the main plot, so we as audience kind of grew detached from them.JeanGreyForever wrote:That scene where Bo and Woody are separated at the beginning was really heartrending and ironically enough, I felt more emotions at the end when Woody is walking away from Bo than I did when he's saying goodbye to the rest of the toys, despite already knowing that he's going to stick with Bo. Maybe it's the romantic in me or maybe it's because of how rushed the final goodbye is.
That's actually very true. I guess Bo's previous lack of screen time made her more flexible for adapting to the needs of this movie, so she didn't really seem that OOC to me either. But that reunion with Jessie really meant a lot to me, I always loved both of them, and like you said, they never really interacted previously.JeanGreyForever wrote:Jessie's brief reunion with Bo was really nice as well, especially since we never really get to see the two interact in the films. I was very happy to see Woody give Jessie his sheriff's badge as a parting gift after Bonnie initially gives it to her. I've heard some people complain that he should have given it to Buzz, but that literally makes no sense to me. Jessie would be Woody's natural predecessor in the sheriff role and it's important to note that it's not like she's taking over as leader of the toys because that is Dolly's role in Bonnie's room. Not surprisingly, there's been complaints online about the feminist undertones of this film with people criticizing Bonnie for dumping Woody after Andy gifted her to him, Dolly for "usurping" Woody's position as leader, Woody giving Jessie the badge instead of Buzz, and Bo Peep's 180 degrees transition. I didn't find this Bo very OOC personally, but that's probably because she was always a minor character in previous films and we never see her in action. Although I've heard that in the first Toy Story, when Woody and Buzz are trapped in Sid's room, the plan was that Bo would be the one to rescue them as a surprise twist to the audience who clearly wouldn't be expecting this so clearly the characterization isn't that far off from how she was envisioned.
Ha, same!Sotiris wrote:Chinese audiences prefer WDAS and Marvel over Pixar and Star Wars. My kind of people.
Some people have created the theory that Buzz's regression is due to the fact that he was reset to factory settings in TS3 which takes place just a few months before this film. That's why he seems so spacey and not quite all there.Mooky wrote:That is very true, but I still felt like the character regressed on top of being sidelined. That whole inner voice thing seemed more like something TS1's Buzz or TS2's fake Buzz would do. In any case, I'm glad he came back to his old self in the end to provide words of encouragement for Woody.
I agree that it's actually a pretty violent scene especially when Benson actually starts ripping out Woody's voice box towards the middle of the film. I suppose they try to downplay the assault by making Woody consensually agree to give up his voice box in exchange for Forky, as well as Gabby Gabbby later telling Woody she'll give it back to him after she's initially rejected by Harmony.Mooky wrote:Oh I definitely agree with all of that. Even when mentioned by Bo and Giggle, they only think of her as annoying, never as villainous. I only had issues with her introductory scene, when she tries taking Woody's voice box by force. That seemed like a rather egregious assault to me and yet it never gets resolved or excused (I mean, I guess you could say she was desperate, but still). But other than that, I quite liked her arc in the second part of the movie.
I knew the original cast would be relegated to the RV plot but I thought those scenes would be more involved and tied into the main storyline. The aliens are completely missing after the opening and Mr. Potato Head has just one line. I've heard some people say that Mrs. Potato Head is no better, if she even speaks, because I honestly don't even remember any of her vocals. Other characters like Bullseye are practically invisible. Really only Jessie gets the most screentime from the RV group, probably to set her up as Bonnie's second favorite toy (after Forky) and Woody's natural predecessor.Mooky wrote:Haha, same actually. I think it's the lack of screen time for the other toys that made the final goodbye not as emotional for me as anything having to do with Woody and Bo. Perhaps it would have been different had the other toys participated in the rescue mission. They were not involved in the main plot, so we as audience kind of grew detached from them.
I don't remember a lesbian couple in the movie. Do you remember which scene showed them?Mooky wrote:Btw, I'm surprised One Million Moms or similar groups are not calling for boycott of the movie because of a 10-second portrayal of a lesbian couple.
Hmmm, I suppose that would make some sense. I can go with that.JeanGreyForever wrote:Some people have created the theory that Buzz's regression is due to the fact that he was reset to factory settings in TS3 which takes place just a few months before this film. That's why he seems so spacey and not quite all there.
I don't remember Mrs. Potato Head speaking either. She was just there lending her ear for the GPS scene.JeanGreyForever wrote:I knew the original cast would be relegated to the RV plot but I thought those scenes would be more involved and tied into the main storyline. The aliens are completely missing after the opening and Mr. Potato Head has just one line. I've heard some people say that Mrs. Potato Head is no better, if she even speaks, because I honestly don't even remember any of her vocals. Other characters like Bullseye are practically invisible. Really only Jessie gets the most screentime from the RV group, probably to set her up as Bonnie's second favorite toy (after Forky) and Woody's natural predecessor.
In Bonnie's first scene at the kindergarten, as she's entering the classroom, there's an interracial lesbian couple with their kid.JeanGreyForever wrote:I don't remember a lesbian couple in the movie. Do you remember which scene showed them?
