singerguy, sorry Goliath was a little mean to you, you didn't deserve that. : P Well, maybe Goliath was just joking...let's hope.
Dr Frankenollie wrote:Yes, but fairy tales and nature don't make up what Disney is (and what the Disney Essence/Feel is, if there actually is one), the thing that Disney was and sometimes still is (thanks to Pixar and some recent efforts by the studio) is being innovative and bringing out the innocent child in all of us, as proven by the many quotes by Walt I used in my previous post.
Well, since nature, animals, fairy tales, and fantasy, were part of so, so, so, so many Disney things, I do think it could be called a big part of the Disney essence. At least a part of it, you know? And Walt did sometimes talk about "making the fairy tale fashionable again", wrhy he relied on "old tales" and other things about fairy tales and animals in other quotes, not just about innovation or the child in all of us and such. I can't dig every single one of them up right here right now, but Walt said things like that.
DisneyAnimation88 wrote:I'm sorry but what is the difference between Floyd Norman and Joe Grant? As far as I'm aware, Joe worked with Walt longer than Floyd did so if Floyd can somehow know that Walt would think, then surely so would Joe?
I never said that Floyd Norman was 100% right about what Walt would want, but that it was very likely he might know. If you can say that it doesn't mean Floyd was right, then I can do the same thing and say nothing means Joe Grant was right.
DisneyAnimation88 wrote:He might not have approved of a cocky, brash and untested young executive like Jeffrey Katzenberg taking charge of Disney animation but I have a feeling he wouldn't have minded the success of the films made under Katzenberg. Walt Disney readily admitted that he swore, drank and smoked with the best of them, so Sarah Silverman's casting is not a concern to me personally. As for Rich Moore, give the man a chance at directing a Disney film before you dismiss him or judge him too heavily by his past work.
But Walt never put any of that into his entertainment. But Sarah Silverman and all the others did. I know that Rich Moore could do something that wasn't so bad...what I don't understand is why the Disney studio is giving him the chance in the first place,
because I thought it was about the priniciple of it all, that you don't hire people who make things that are so against what your company is about in their past work. As far as I know Walt never hired people who made such suggestive swearing violent anti-Disney entertainment in their past.
estefan wrote:It's also worth mentioning that both Brad Bird and David Silverman have had hands at directing Disney-produced animated features. And what have they also worked on? That's right, The Simpsons. However, I don't recall the yellow family's brand of humour crossing over into Monsters Inc, The Incredibles and Ratatouille.
Ah...
Pixar movies, not Disney. The people at Pixar doen't have to look to the practices of a man who was the original head of their company before they came along and the kind of people that man hired.
Goliath wrote:Disney Duster wrote:It doesn't mean he would'v loved Pixar or that Grant was right.
Okay, so when Floyd Norman says the title should've been 'Rapunzel', thatautomatically means that's what Walt would've thought, too, because he knew Walt and would never say anything that deviates from what Walt would think? But when Joe Grant, who also knew Walt, said something he thought Walt would think, this doesn't automatically mean Grant was right, because...? What's the difference between Norman and Grant? Why does Norman get a special status in your book? Because he agrees with you?
You do this all the time. You exaggerate what I said, not saying what I really said, which was: that Floyd Norman worked with Walt and
might know what he wanted in cases like the title of a film which
might be the reason for his voicing what title he wanted because we know he
wouldn't go against Walt but
would be for Walt. None of that is this "never say anything that deviates from what Walt would think" stuff. I already explained above about the Joe Grant thing.
Goliath wrote:Disney Duster wrote:And I already agreed that it was likely Walt would like some CGI.
Oh, I see, so now you have "adjusted your argument" to say that Walt liked *some* CGI. I guess that would have to be the special "Disneyfied" CGI with extra "Disney Essence"?
That's not an adjustment. You can find how I never before said anything like "Walt would never ever like CGI", just that he
probably wouldn't like Pixar, as is the specific things Pixar does.
Goliath wrote:
Disney Duster wrote:And if you haven't deduced that I've been a member here long enough to see I'm not a troll...your certainly no doctor.
I'm sorry, but there's more intelligence in a single word Dr. Frankenollie writes than in all of your posts in this thread combined.
No, that's untrue.
