Disney's Mort

[DisneyAnimation88]

but he specifically said looke at their old films, meaning to make them in not just a good way, but a Disney way, with Disney essence.

If you say so, unlike the rest of us you obviously knew Roy Disney and he told you that that was what he meant, right? Or are you yet again making assumptions and rewriting history to try and justify your opinion as fact?

And Walt may have liked some 3D things, but he still showed a preference for traditional animation, with how much more traditional animation he did, and how it is known that he wanted things to look like storybook illustrations, etc.

Enlighten me, how prevelent was 3D when Walt died in 1966? How advanced was CGI in filmmaking at that time? How can you possibly say all of this and not realise that you have no idea what he would have thought, the man has been dead for a long time, I assume it was a while before you were born so I'm confused.

We do not know if he would have loved PIXAR. It is very doubftul he would have.

Of course he wouldn't, you're right as usual seen as you have a telepathic link with the man from beyond the grave. So you really think Walt Disney, one of the most forward-thinking and technologically-minded men to have worked in the entertainment industry, a man who pioneered new techniques in filmmaking throughout his lifetime and helped create the modern day theme park would not be interested or intrigued by Pixar or how CG could be used to advance the quality in animation? I would love to know how you came to the conclusion that it is "doubtful" he would have loved Pixar, I really would.

[DisneyAnimation88]

Anonymous #3 wrote: I know Ron and John are still there and they went up to Pixar about a month ago, I think to pitch some features (2D).

If that's true, that is very good news. To give Disney credit they keep us on our toes; just as I was beginning to believe that hand-drawn animation was done and dusted, there are signs of life. Hopefully we'll get some more information soon.

[Disney Duster]

I am only responding the same way that ajmrowland did. He said what he said, I said what I said.

The point is, no one can prove that Disney would like those things. I'd say it was very unlikely he would like those things.

And it is still a fact that Roy Disney did not just say "look at any good films and be good as that", he said "look at the past Disney films", that is a fact right there that it is specific to Disney and their essence and not just any good film. He specifically was talking about Disney's, not just any good films. That's a fact.

[DisneyAnimation88]

He specifically was talking about Disney's, not just any good films. That's a fact.

Again, where did I say otherwise? I simply gave my own humble opinion that he was referring to the quality of the films he mentioned not their "Disney essence". You're perfectly entitled to think otherwise.

I'd say it was very unlikely he would like those things.

“Around here, however, we don’t look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.”

That's a quote from the man himself, Walt Disney. "We don't look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things". Now, that quote alone suggests to me that Walt was a very forward-thinking man who was willing to embrace anything new, even if it lead his company in new directions. It is quotes like this that make me believe that Walt would not have disliked Pixar, that he would have been willing to embrace new ideas and techniques. I never knew the man so I don't know but that's what I think.

[ajmrowland]

I agree. I can't see anything in that quote that refers to "essence" or "what Walt would have done". Roy Disney says that Disney should want to 'be this good' not reproduce those films.

But I did not say it meant to reproduce the films, either. The fact that he says to look back at the old films means to make the new films like those, otherwise he would say "Look at any good films and just make a good film" but he specifically said looke at their old films, meaning to make them in not just a good way, but a Disney way, with Disney essence.

And Walt may have liked some 3D things, but he still showed a preference for traditional animation, with how much more traditional animation he did, and how it is known that he wanted things to look like storybook illustrations, etc. We do not know if he would have loved PIXAR. It is very doubftul he would have.

This nentire argument has been debunked by something Walt did say.

“Around here, however, we don’t look backwards for very long. We keep moving forward, opening up new doors and doing new things… and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths.”
–Walt Disney


quess what? CGI would've been doing new things. 3-D would've been new for him to, and they kept doing new things. He was very curious about technology and was always investing in it.

Like I said, you just got debunk'd. again


Yeah, we can only speculate, but even speculation needs some evidence to support it.

[Disney's Divinity]

I hope R&J get another film going soon. Even if Disney mandates every film must be 3D now, I still wouldn't be as upset with R&J involved.

[Disney Duster]

I wasn't debunked.

Because even though Disney said that, that doesn't mean he would embrace every single thing new. Do you think he would embrace the new over-sexualized over-bloody movies of today? That's all new compared to the past culture and movies.

Also remember, even though Walt said that, he kept doing fairy tales, nature, and talking animals in his films. He didn't really do much new from those things.

[Dream Huntress]

I wasn't debunked.

Because even though Disney said that, that doesn't mean he would embrace every single thing new. Do you think he would embrace the new over-sexualized over-bloody movies of today? That's all new compared to the past culture and movies.

Also remember, even though Walt said that, he kept doing fairy tales, nature, and talking animals in his films. He didn't really do much new from those things.

He also made movies about dogs living in modern day London falling in love, about music and how it can tell stories without the characters speaking over it, and about people visiting and learning from South America.

And I do think he would have liked Pixar and what they're doing now, based on the things he said, like:

It's kind of fun to do the impossible.

I believe in being an innovator.

Animation can explain whatever the mind of man can conceive. This facility makes it the most versatile and explicit means of communication yet devised for quick mass appreciation.

I think he would like how the animation field is now, how they don't limit themselves to just tell one type of story, how people are atually taking seriously the medium, how many possibilities are open.

All I can say Duster is, you're really gonna hate everything Disney will make from now on.

[disneyboy20022]

Okay...there's only one way to settle this...



Does Anybody have a spare Ice Pick



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[Disney's Divinity]

Not that it matters, but I do think Disney would've liked the innovation side of Pixar--although I do think if Disney had still been around, Disney would've claimed the title for first 3D film and Pixar likely wouldn't exist. Also, Disney wouldn't have allowed animation to be relegated for "kiddy stuff" like it has recently (though that always happens in bouts, since Disney broke ground in the '90s and Pixar did so in the 2000s).

That said, I don't think there's any guarantee he would love all their films. I don't think there's any guarantee he'd love all of the films Disney has made since he died either.

[SWillie!]

Not that it matters, but I do think Disney would've liked the innovation side of Pixar--although I do think if Disney had still been around, Disney would've claimed the title for first 3D film and Pixar likely wouldn't exist.

This. He would never have fired Lasseter for wanting to try something new. You can bet your ass that the first Computer Generated film would have been made at Disney.

[Sotiris]

I heard laughter coming out of Ron's office a few days ago, when I stumbled by. I peeked around the corner and there Ron was. Didn't peek around the corner enough to see who else was in there. Word is that they'll be pitching stories to Mr. Lasseter soon. If Disney can land the rights to Mort, they'll probably do it. Certainly the motivation and enthusiasm for the projects is there.

Source: http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/ ... going.html

[Elladorine]

Not that it matters, but I do think Disney would've liked the innovation side of Pixar--although I do think if Disney had still been around, Disney would've claimed the title for first 3D film and Pixar likely wouldn't exist.

This. He would never have fired Lasseter for wanting to try something new. You can bet your ass that the first Computer Generated film would have been made at Disney.

I've always believed this too.

[DisneyAnimation88]

Not that it matters, but I do think Disney would've liked the innovation side of Pixar--although I do think if Disney had still been around, Disney would've claimed the title for first 3D film and Pixar likely wouldn't exist.

I agree.

Because even though Disney said that, that doesn't mean he would embrace every single thing new. Do you think he would embrace the new over-sexualized over-bloody movies of today? That's all new compared to the past culture and movies.

Who said anything about "over-sexualised over-bloody movies"? I was talking about the animation industry, that Walt would not have dismissed the idea of exploring how CG could be used for the advancement of the medium.

Also remember, even though Walt said that, he kept doing fairy tales, nature, and talking animals in his films. He didn't really do much new from those things

But where did he say "we have to keep making fairytales with Disney essence"? I've said what I believe, that Walt Disney was an innovator who would have been interested in CGI based on what I know about him and I've found quotes from the man himself that make me believe that. Others have done the same but no doubt you will disregard that and tell us we're wrong and you're right because you somehow know what Walt would think.

All I can say Duster is, you're really gonna hate everything Disney will make from now on

I'm starting to agree with this. You're too stuck in the past and you have this nostalgic and romaticised view of everything that Walt did that stops you from enjoying Disney's films today. You say Lilo & Stitch and Tangled are "un-Disney" and lack the hallowed "Disney essence" so I dread to think what you will make of Wreck-It Ralph, a film based on arcade game characters that's being directed by Rich Moore who is well known for his work on series like The Simpsons and Futurama.

That said, I don't think there's any guarantee he would love all their films. I don't think there's any guarantee he'd love all of the films Disney has made since he died either.

A good point. I'm not necessarily saying that Walt would have loved all of the Pixar films but I think he would have been interested in the technology, as you said.

[Disney Duster]

No he didn't say "we have to keep making fairytales with Disney essence"? He just said look back at the old Disney films, make them that good. Meaning make them like the old Disney films. You can all speculate your opinion of exactly what he meant, but it suggests that he means make them specifically the Disney way which could have meant all about nature, fairy tales, whatever makes the Disney essence. I'm just saying one thing you can't deny is his remark means make it Disney not just good.

I actually agree Walt would explore CGI, and maybe make the first CGI Disney film. But he definately showed a preference for certain kind of looks, like how he told people he missed the beautiful designs of the past films and didn't like the new sketchy Xerox look. He probably would have tried to make his first CGI film be like Rapunzel, but even more painterly and traditional-animation-looking like Glen Keane's original vision.

I hope that Wreck-it Ralph miraculously turns into a movie that feels Disney, just like Roy said about making it feel like they looked back at their old Disney movies. But Disney is doing really un-Disney things like hiring a foul-mouthed comic like Sarah Silverman and the Simpsons is not something Walt would approve (c'mon now, do any of you really think he would approve of that? I mean do any of you really truly think that?).

I think he would like how the animation field is now, how they don't limit themselves to just tell one type of story, how people are atually taking seriously the medium,

I think people took it more seriously back when Walt was alive, when he made his earliest films, or, as has been said, people tend to take it seriously, then not, then again, then not. It really depends on what films come out at the time...

Also, the stuff about dogs in london and music and visiting south america was the same stuff as nature and talking animals, even some fairy tale stuff in the music one, and the south america stuff was package films to make money not what I call animated classics but that can be your and the current heads at Disney's opinion of what are the animated classics it won't be mine and we don't even know if it was Walt's.

[Goliath]

And Walt may have liked some 3D things, but he still showed a preference for traditional animation, with how much more traditional animation he did, and how it is known that he wanted things to look like storybook illustrations, etc. We do not know if he would have loved PIXAR. It is very doubftul he would have.

Joe Grant thought otherwise. He thought Walt would have loved and embraced CGI animation. And he knew Walt. So, by your very own reasoning, he must be right. So Walt must've loved Pixar. There, we solved it.

[Dr Frankenollie]

No he didn't say "we have to keep making fairytales with Disney essence"? He just said look back at the old Disney films, make them that good. Meaning make them like the old Disney films. You can all speculate your opinion of exactly what he meant, but it suggests that he means make them specifically the Disney way which could have meant all about nature, fairy tales, whatever makes the Disney essence. I'm just saying one thing you can't deny is his remark means make it Disney not just good.

I actually agree Walt would explore CGI, and maybe make the first CGI Disney film. But he definately showed a preference for certain kind of looks, like how he told people he missed the beautiful designs of the past films and didn't like the new sketchy Xerox look. He probably would have tried to make his first CGI film be like Rapunzel, but even more painterly and traditional-animation-looking like Glen Keane's original vision.

Firstly, I don't see why 'Mort' is still being discussed even though it's not happening, and secondly, who gives a damn what Walt would've thought of CGI or Pixar or anything else to do with modern animation?

If it means so much to people like Disney Duster, however, then of course Walt would've loved CGI and Pixar and a lot of other stuff (techniques, styles, etc.) used in modern animation. His films were never about fairy tales or nature at the core; they were about moving forward, being innovative and original, and most of all, bringing out the nostalgic, innocent child in all of us. And Disney Duster, if Walt was alive today I doubt that he'd be making DACs with the 'Disney Essence/Feel' you speak of.

I believe in being an innovator.-Walt Disney.
I do not like to repeat successes, I like to go on to other things.-Walt Disney.
We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiousity keeps leading us down new paths.-Walt Disney.

One more thing...Disney Duster, are you a troll or are you actually serious?

[disneyboy20022]

Disney wouldn't have been around 10 years ago or even twenty....if he were alive today....he'd be 110 years old....while that's not impossible...it's very improbable....No one officially knows what Walt would think...not even the people at Disney Studios and Pixar....it's just pure speculating and to say someone knows for sure what he would have thought or done etc etc is assume....and look at the way Assume is spelled below

ASS/U/Me When you assume, you make an as of yourself and me

My mom said that when she was in school to learn to become a nurse, a nun taught one of the classes she was in and this nun taught this in her lectures

[Super Aurora]

ASS/U/Me When you assume, you make an as of yourself and me

My mom said that when she was in school to learn to become a nurse, a nun taught one of the classes she was in and this nun taught this in her lectures

That's one hardcore badass nun she had.

[disneyboy20022]

ASS/U/Me When you assume, you make an as of yourself and me

My mom said that when she was in school to learn to become a nurse, a nun taught one of the classes she was in and this nun taught this in her lectures

That's one hardcore badass nun she had.

She also had a teacher who was a Reverend in the school and His Name was Father Beverage...she said people use to write on the Chalk board before he got to the classroom...there was written "Good Morning Pop Cola" he didn't get mad...or take t serious....now with in some schools you sneeze the wrong way and your out...


Sorry For Derailing this a little bit....