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(Sorry for the double post, but I didn't know that someone else posted, and I wanted to respond! )

PixarFan2006 wrote:I have a few Disney movies that I own on DVD that I either do not really like much or have not seen at all

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea - Have not watched yet.
Atlantis the Lost Empire - Saw it once. Found it mediocre. Got it off DMC.
Bedknobs and Broomsicks - Have not watched. Got it for points.
Brother Bear - Have not watched. Got it of DMC.
Darby O'Gill and the Little People - Have not seen. Got it for points.
Ducktales the Movie - Have not watched. Got it as a DMR reward.
Home on the Range - Have not seen. Got it for DMR points.
The Love Bug - Have not watched. Got it for DMR points.
Pete's Dragon- Have not watched. Got it for DMR points.
Pocahontas - My least favorite Disney film. Got it for DMR points.
Tarzan - Only seen bits and pieces of it. Got it off DMC.
The Wild - Rented it once, but did not finish it. Got it off DMC.
Treasure Island - Have not watched.
Tron - Have not watched. Got it for DMR points.

Are you planning on keeping those to have a complete collection? Are you planning on watching them eventually all the way through? I'm very curious, since what you say might help me with my dilemma!

Okay, so for the Too Long, Didn't Read crowd earlier, I need advice. I'll make a short and sweet version, I guess. Sorry to beat this to the ground, but any advice would be helpful!

To sell or not to sell, that is the question.

I have never watched or only watched parts of:
Ariel's Beginning
Tinker Bell
Pooh's Grand Adventure
The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
101 Dalmatians II
Tarzan II
Lilo & Stitch 2
The Fox and the Hound 2
I think I've heard yes, watch the first 2. Are the others worth watching/having?

Movies I've watched once (whether on my DVD, in the theater, or on TV):
The Wild
Valiant
The Jungle Book 2
American Legends
An Extremely Goofy Movie
Tarzan and Jane
Stitch! The Movie
Winnie the Pooh: Springtime with Roo
Pooh's Heffalump Halloween Movie
Kronk's New Groove
Bambi II
Brother Bear 2
To sell or not to sell. Do you keep movies you don't care enough about to watch more than once?

Movies I've seen a few times but never watch:
DuckTales the Movie (haven't seen it since I was a kid, but I bought the DVD)
The Return of Jafar
Cinderella II
Mulan II

And then there are ones that I don't dislike (except for making John Smith different), but I just don't watch them often:
Pocahontas II
The Lion King II
Atlantis: Milo's Return
The Lion King 1 1/2

I like the music in TLM2 more than the actual movie, but I will probably keep it. For more detailed info, read my post above. Thanks in advance to any advice.

Just a question: what are "DMR points"? I'm curious why you would buy a DVD you don't like just because you want these.

BelleGirl wrote:Just a question: what are "DMR points"? I'm curious why you would buy a DVD you don't like just because you want these.

Disney Movie Reward points- the program that Disney has where you type in the code that came in the DVD case and you earn points, which you can redeem for prizes. (www.disneymovierewards.com is the website, if you're curious!)


*edit*
Disregard my previous posts- I went through my DVDs and decided on which sequels or other DVDs to sell.

Wow, I had forgotten about posting all that I posted in this thread a few months ago!

I went through my DVDs yet again recently, and put the rest of what I don't really watch on eBay. I figured that, at least for the sequels (and live-action titles), they're cheap enough used online if I ever want to rebuy them.

I just figured, if it's something that I don't use, I can get some money back and use it for something I really want (I'm really trying to get some Disney books that I want pretty bad, so by selling things I don't use, I can use that money towards things that I will use).

Basically, I'll always buy (and watch!) the DACs and the Pixar films. And I also have/watch/will continue to buy the animated/live-action hybrids. And then I just kept my absolute most-favorite live-action titles. Why bother taking up precious space if I never watch it, you know?

One thing that was hard was the Pooh DVDs. I kept TMAoWtP, but sold (or am selling) the others. And I'll buy the 2011 Pooh film, since it's a DAC. I reread UD's Piglet's Big Movie review, and it didn't even get a good recommendation (so hopefully the 2011 Pooh film will be as good as TMAoWtP!!!). I guess I felt that there are so many Pooh films, why just keep the DACs (but the original is good, even though I don't watch it often).

I just checked- in the How Many Disney DVDs Do You Have thread, on 11/7/07, I posted that I had 156 Disney DVDs...now I have 96. To me, it's just better to only buy what you'll watch, if you're worried about money (for me, anyway). Like, why bother just buying it if you don't care much about it? I do understand completists, though, but for me, I've been becoming more money-smart and just knowing what I really like and all (it's only taken almost 25 years ), and I feel happier trying to be money-conscious, and there's always renting movies if I feel like I want to see one.

Sorry for the long post...ugh!

Tangela wrote:I was curios about something do you guys buy even Disney movies that you don't like or extremely hate? I mean, say that you hate The Sword in the Stone, would you buy it only to complete your collection or would you skip it because you don't like it?

The only ones I find I sometimes don't like are more recent ones, mostly live-action. But, I still buy them or WOULD buy them, for the sake of having them in my Disney movie collection. I don't make them a priority or get them right when they come out or anything. I usually wait till I find them for a good price or something. Right now, I have the excuse of saying, "I'll wait till it's released on blu-ray," too. In the case of animation though, there are only a few I don't love; mostly non-PIXAR computer animated stuff, but I'm more likely to get that stuff sooner than live-action Disney stuff I don't like.

Well, I don't have many DVDs.
I just started buying in September when BR is already the future.
But, where I come from, BR is so expensive you won't even believe it.

Personally I would only want to buy movies I like.
Of the few I own, some were blind-buys because they were supposed to be good but they didn't really make my fave lists so I don't know. To me, it's wasted $.

The only DAC I own is 101 Dalmatians. Bought it for more than I thought I would because the price wouldn't go down and it's supposed to be good and I wouldn't manage to get it for another 7 years or whatever. And by then if I do actually start collecting then I'd be a bit pissed.
Didn't get TJB because from what I remember I didn't like it.

Also SB is BR and well I can't play it anywhere and it's not a plus DVD so I didn't get it.

But if eventually I'm rich enough and I have most of the DACs I would complete it.

However if it's just about Disney films, I don't see why people here go so crazy about them. I mean, are you really considering buying stuff like Old Dogs just because it was made by Disney? It's a shitty movie, so why waste your $? Nothing links it to another Disney movie like POTC or whatever, so why feel the need to collect a turd? The collector's thing for me only comes into play when there's something worth collecting, the DACs are a list. Nothing else is. I mean why on Earth would you buy DTV sequels when they suck and you're not really completing anything? I don't understand that part of it.

BK wrote:However if it's just about Disney films, I don't see why people here go so crazy about them. I mean, are you really considering buying stuff like Old Dogs just because it was made by Disney? It's a shitty movie, so why waste your $? Nothing links it to another Disney movie like POTC or whatever, so why feel the need to collect a turd? The collector's thing for me only comes into play when there's something worth collecting, the DACs are a list. Nothing else is. I mean why on Earth would you buy DTV sequels when they suck and you're not really completing anything? I don't understand that part of it.

I haven't seen "Old Dogs", and I know many people think it's a "turd", but I'm willing to bet some people liked it, even loved it. Most people seem to thing Land of the Lost was a total turd, but I thought it was hilarious and so did the people I saw it with. But, I gotta say, there's not much logic in saying it makes sense to want to have a complete DACs collection, but it doesn't make sense to want a complete Disney Live-Action collection. The DACs get more attention, sure, but it's still just collecting movies from a specific studio. It's no more of a movie "list" than Disney Live-Action, or Disney Live-Action Classics. As someone who collects Disney live-action as well as animation, they are both "lists" that one can be passionate about completing. The direct to video stuff is no different. As with nearly anything, it can be considered a "list" or "collection" that can be completed, whether it is something you yourself would want to collect/complete or not. As for why would you want to, different strokes for different folks. You might think they suck, others might think they're great. In my opinion, some suck and some are great (and most are just, eh). I tend to think those who say they ALL suck haven't actually seen them all and are judging them all on the ones they did see, which is hardly the right way to do it.

slave2moonlight wrote:

BK wrote:However if it's just about Disney films, I don't see why people here go so crazy about them. I mean, are you really considering buying stuff like Old Dogs just because it was made by Disney? It's a shitty movie, so why waste your $? Nothing links it to another Disney movie like POTC or whatever, so why feel the need to collect a turd? The collector's thing for me only comes into play when there's something worth collecting, the DACs are a list. Nothing else is. I mean why on Earth would you buy DTV sequels when they suck and you're not really completing anything? I don't understand that part of it.

I haven't seen "Old Dogs", and I know many people think it's a "turd", but I'm willing to bet some people liked it, even loved it. Most people seem to thing Land of the Lost was a total turd, but I thought it was hilarious and so did the people I saw it with. But, I gotta say, there's not much logic in saying it makes sense to want to have a complete DACs collection, but it doesn't make sense to want a complete Disney Live-Action collection. The DACs get more attention, sure, but it's still just collecting movies from a specific studio. It's no more of a movie "list" than Disney Live-Action, or Disney Live-Action Classics. As someone who collects Disney live-action as well as animation, they are both "lists" that one can be passionate about completing. The direct to video stuff is no different. As with nearly anything, it can be considered a "list" or "collection" that can be completed, whether it is something you yourself would want to collect/complete or not. As for why would you want to, different strokes for different folks. You might think they suck, others might think they're great. In my opinion, some suck and some are great (and most are just, eh). I tend to think those who say they ALL suck haven't actually seen them all and are judging them all on the ones they did see, which is hardly the right way to do it.

You have a valid point if people wanted to collect Disney studio-specific films but otherwise, what are you trying to say?
The DACs are a recognized list, it's an official one and they are all linked by being produced by the same animation company with mostly the same themes and style.
There is nothing that relates Old Dogs to Pirates of the Caribbean to Armageddon etc.
Disney doesn't even have in-house production for most of them since they are done by other smaller studios. Touchstone or whatever.
They are all live-action sure, but I know we say animation is a medium not a genre, but it is really easy to classify it as a genre because they are different and there aren't many. Live action is not a genre. Why do people classify Beauty and the Beast as animation and not under romantic drama?
Sorry but that's the way people are wired, there is a separate distinction between live action and animation but animation unlike live action is considered a genre. I myself compare movies without the medium they are created in and dislike the fact that people diss animation as for kids, however I do say animation is also a genre.
Disney has no published list of Disney live action features. There is no link, thus no collection. You might as well collect every movie ever made if you're going to collect all movies from one studio. There is nothing Disney about every live action feature they distribute much like you cannot comment 'Oh, that's a Sony film right there!' However Disney IS famous for its animation department and most associate 2D animation with Disney even animation as a whole gets associated with Disney.

*sigh* You contradict yourself a lot.

Anway, first, there is a very simple connection between all films that Disney releases, and that is that they are Disney films. That may not mean what it once did, and that's why a lot of people only collect Disney Live-Action Classics. If you think there is no connection between Disney live-action films, you never saw the ones from Walt's day, or from any of the very distinct Disney decades, really. To say these aren't real collections because there isn't an officially released list somewhere is total bull. You CAN make a list of Disney live-action films, and you CAN make a list of just the "classic" ones, and you can make any kind of list, therefore any kind of collection, you want. And of course there are official lists out there anyway. You don't think Disney can provide a list of their live-action films? There are popular books on Disney Films, and they include the live action. There is a well-known book titled "The Disney Films" that many people base their collections on (And, by the way, they are mostly completely unlike films by any other studios). I use that book as a guide myself. Basically, it's a list, and it fully includes live-action. Anyway, if someone wants to build a collection, but rule out films not made "in-house", they can do that, if they want to include PIXAR as part of their Disney animation collection, they can do that, and I think many people DO. There doesn't have to be an officially sanctioned list. One of the great things about collecting is that you make your own rules.

BK wrote:However if it's just about Disney films, I don't see why people here go so crazy about them. I mean, are you really considering buying stuff like Old Dogs just because it was made by Disney? It's a shitty movie, so why waste your $?

Well, there is the school of thought that anything with the word "Disney" is worth buying, irregardless of its quality.

BK wrote:the DACs are a list. Nothing else is.

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The DACs are a recognized list, it's an official one and they are all linked by being produced by the same animation company with mostly the same themes and style.

Well as an "official" list, yes, the DACs are the only real *acknowledged* list by the Walt Disney Company. But even as a list, they change it, add things, etc. In the end, the list is unnecessary and generally up to the consumer as to whether they'll follow it or not (changes and all). For example, there are still Disney animation fans who'll refuse to own Chicken Little, or are not interested at all in the Package films, but proclaim their "Disney Animated Classics" collection to be complete. Likewise, I still don't consider Dinosaur to be a Disney Animated Classic (it was made by Secret Lab, a wholly-separate branch from Walt Disney Feature Animation, and the general consensus of "Disney Animated Classic" is that the production is done primarily in WDFA), so while I own it, I don't put it as part of the "Disney Animated Classic" section of my DVDs.

Another example of lists not necessarily dictating an official studio's stance is The Criterion Collection. Granted, they're just a distribution company, not a movie-making one. But all their releases (first on laserdisc, then on DVD and Blu-Ray) have been numbered, so that it essentially will feel like one master list of movies. #1 is La Grande Illusion, and #500 is Roberto Rossellini's War Trilogy, and they are always adding more and more titles. But does that mean that a movie collector need to get every single Criterion DVD/Blu-Ray out there? I've only got ten (technically twelve since one is a three-movie boxset), and there are probably several dozen other Criterion titles that I really really want, though a majority of the movies Criterion has released I could do without (as in do without owning, though I'm interested in watching a great many of them).

BK wrote:They are all live-action sure, but I know we say animation is a medium not a genre, but it is really easy to classify it as a genre because they are different and there aren't many. Live action is not a genre.

"Live Action Disney" is a genre among the "medium" of live-action films. If it isn't, then Turner Classic Movies wasted their time making a documentary two years ago celebrating Disney's live-action films.

In the grand scheme of movie making, Disney was (and to an extent still is) a small company. Thus, their films had a much closer level of attention by the big boss (Walt) compared to a megastudio like Warner Bros. or 20th Century Fox. Was Jack L. Warner or Darryl Zanuck 100% invested in every movie they greenlit the way Walt (more or less) was? That's why there are Disney fans who'll collect all the Disney material that Walt produced. His live-action films had the same amount of dedication as his animated films, he supervised both. But you don't necessarily see someone who'll have "The Harry Cohn Collection" on their movie shelf. These days, yes, there is less of a connection between movies like Tuck Everlasting versus National Treasure versus The Game Plan. But they're made at (well, distributed through) Disney and that's the connection. Disney operates on a smaller scale than other studios, and so that connection still counts to some people.

BK wrote:Why do people classify Beauty and the Beast as animation and not under romantic drama?

I classify Beauty and the Beast as a romantic drama, a date movie, a period piece, a musical, and animation. Not necessarily in that order, but the movie fits several genres. The only reason most animated movies get shoehorned into "animated movie" as a genre is because of the method of production. But the standards for judging the movie should be the same regardless if it's traditional animation, live-action, stop motion, sock puppets, CGI, etc.

BK wrote:I myself compare movies without the medium they are created in

Me too.

BK wrote:Disney has no published list of Disney live action features. There is no link, thus no collection.

But does there need to be any "official" source for a list? Anyone can make a list and call it a collection. Look, here's a list, and it can be classified as a specific kind of Disney collection:

1. Treasure Island
2. Toby Tyler, or Ten Weeks With a Circus
3. Kidnapped
4. Pollyanna
5. The Sign of Zorro
6. Jungle Cat
7. Ten Who Dared
8. Swiss Family Robinson
9. King of the Grizzlies
10. The Boatniks
11. Midnight Madness
12. The Last Flight of Noah's Ark
13. Herbie Goes Bananas
14. Popeye
15. Disney's The Kid
16. Whispers: An Elephant's Tale
17. Remember the Titans
18. 102 Dalmatians
19. Alice in Wonderland
20. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time
21. The Sorcerer's Apprentice

BK wrote:You might as well collect every movie ever made if you're going to collect all movies from one studio.

Some people do that. Disney's just one company after all. There are people who collect only Hammer films, there are people who like to build up their Warner Bros. collection, there are people who've collected all 40 of the numbered "Studio Classics" from 20th Century Fox regardless of the quality (as that would explain why a soapy melodrama sequel like Return to Peyton Place is on a list of great movies like All About Eve, The Grapes of Wrath, and The Razor's Edge).

slave2moonlight wrote:To say these aren't real collections because there isn't an officially released list somewhere is total bull. You CAN make a list of Disney live-action films, and you CAN make a list of just the "classic" ones, and you can make any kind of list, therefore any kind of collection, you want.

Agreed.

albert

I'm not disagreeing entirely with either of your posts, I agree you can make your own lists but what I was saying was there really isn't a proper one.

And whilst making my earlier post I didn't take into account the past, I agree with those Walt-based films etc. but present day I stand by my opinion considering it's so run on studio politics without a real passion. One can hardly argue that any studio head is really invested in the quality of the movies that are being produced, to some extent, yes, but certainly not like the filmmakers themselves or as you said Walt.

BK wrote:They are all live-action sure, but I know we say animation is a medium not a genre, but it is really easy to classify it as a genre because they are different and there aren't many. Live action is not a genre. Why do people classify Beauty and the Beast as animation and not under romantic drama?

Ask anyone who's ever worked in animation how frustrating it is to hear people describe animation as a "genre" of its own. Many of us animation fans actually don't like seeing animation labeled as a genre, regardless that the general public is willing to lump it all together.

BK wrote:Sorry but that's the way people are wired, there is a separate distinction between live action and animation but animation unlike live action is considered a genre. I myself compare movies without the medium they are created in and dislike the fact that people diss animation as for kids, however I do say animation is also a genre.

I've always had a love and fascination for animation and constantly point out that the reason people diss it as being for kids is because they lump it all together as one genre. But it's obvious that animation is just a medium that an encompass many genres, from family to adult to horror to romance. If you're a big fan, why label them in a way that encourages limitations?

BK wrote:Disney has no published list of Disney live action features. There is no link, thus no collection. You might as well collect every movie ever made if you're going to collect all movies from one studio. There is nothing Disney about every live action feature they distribute much like you cannot comment 'Oh, that's a Sony film right there!' However Disney IS famous for its animation department and most associate 2D animation with Disney even animation as a whole gets associated with Disney.

For what it's worth, I don't based my collection on any list, official or not. I do happen to like most Disney Animated Classics; thus, I'll be grabbing as many as I can. And now that I think about it, stronger than any "official list" is what makes the DAC's integral with each other: knowing the history of the studio and the artists that worked on them (which is why I believe some people debate on whether titles like Dinosaur and Chicken Little should be included on any lists). Seeing/owning the films is one of the ways to experience that, and if people find some kind of connection with the live-action titles as well, more power to them.