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Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:26 pmI'm spaniard so inform yourself before talk. Spaniards doesn't look like Asha. Even her hairstyle is not common on Spain so I don't know what are you talking about. Asha IS another afro american character dressed with an invented gown made to have another black princess. She doesn't look spaniard, she doesn't look arabian and she doesn't have any inspiration on the Al Andalus period so please, make yourself a favor and investigate more. She is a missed chance of an interracial princesa with a beautfiul mix of cultures. This "new country" that they created should have been inspired in Toledo where 4 cultures lived together for a long time.

reee9948 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pmWhen do you guys think the next trailer will come out? Some say it will come out when Haunted Mansion is released and they will play the trailer in theater.

PatrickvD wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:56 pm To me it just looks like a fantasy version of Spain in the same way that Raya was a fantasy version of south east Asia.

Some Spanish vibes, some Moroccan and/or North African vibes. Designed to offend nobody and therefore bound to offend everyone for some reason.

The culture war is exhausting but it must rage on, I guess.

PatrickvD wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:50 pm Yeah except Colombia is real? I don’t get that comparison.

I still think it boils down to the same thing. Sure Wish appears to be more specific in terms of the cultures/ time period it is referencing than Raya or example, but it’s still a big mix. The Iberian peninsula has been home to many kingdoms, cultures and peoples. It’s so abstract you can see in it whatever you want.

For me that’s fine. But apparently nothing can exist out of the realm of this woke debate. That’s all I’m saying. I just see a cute, albeit lazily designed, princess. Others refer to her as African American because black = woke.

Whatever man.

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:19 pm

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:26 pmI'm spaniard so inform yourself before talk. Spaniards doesn't look like Asha. Even her hairstyle is not common on Spain so I don't know what are you talking about. Asha IS another afro american character dressed with an invented gown made to have another black princess. She doesn't look spaniard, she doesn't look arabian and she doesn't have any inspiration on the Al Andalus period so please, make yourself a favor and investigate more. She is a missed chance of an interracial princesa with a beautfiul mix of cultures. This "new country" that they created should have been inspired in Toledo where 4 cultures lived together for a long time.

Black spaniards exist and existed, I never said all spaniards are black or biracial, the movie literally shows that Rosas is a very diverse island with all kinds of people (even east asian people, like in real life where it is documented that a small number of east asian people migrated to Spain during that time)

You talking about her hairstyle is just antiblack, and she's not african american,

Dejar de llamar afroamericanos a todos los negros (y mulatos) que veis, por dios ignorantes

reee9948 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pmWhen do you guys think the next trailer will come out? Some say it will come out when Haunted Mansion is released and they will play the trailer in theater.

I think the full trailer is coming this week, maybe even tomorrow, the Marvels trailer came out by surprise without any promo

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:37 amAsha's hairstyle reminds me of these:

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:58 amIn Spain black people are not as common as people from south América and people from Moroc. You said that Asha's hair is common in Spain and that's a lie. You can find people with this hairstyle? Yes but it's not usual. Asha doesn't represent spanish culture because she doesn't have anything that is inspired in spanish's traditions. It's ok if you love the character but please don't say that she looks spaniard when she doesn't. She looks more like a Barbie fashionista than an ficitional historical character.

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:16 am First of all I'm not a girl so don't calle me like that.
Saying that this character looks like a Barbie fashionista is not antiblack so I'm not going to let you say this about me. She looks like a Barbie because she doesn't look like a historical character. She looks like a modern character with a random clothes, like a Barbie doll from the dreamtopia line.
The second part is that Asha is not wearing a mantón de Manila or a Mantillo as you said. What she's wearing is a simple shawl. A Mantillo has a different shape and has long fringes.
She also doesn't have babyhair. The hair that you see on her os the one that is growing new. It doesn't have anything to do with the typical hair that people wear when they dress Up with Gitana's or flamenco's gown. You can search in Google photos about this hairsyle by yourself and see that It doesn't have anything in common with Asha.
About the clothes she doesn't wear anything typical from here.
I'm not going to discuss more with you about It because It seems that you don't know anything about spanish culture even when you say that you are spanish.
Asha is a new black character and they get inspired in spain when they created her country but this princess doesn't represent anything from the spanish culture or their people so please, don't deffend what can not be deffended

Pokenonbinary wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:25 am

Thumper_93 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:16 am First of all I'm not a girl so don't calle me like that.
Saying that this character looks like a Barbie fashionista is not antiblack so I'm not going to let you say this about me. She looks like a Barbie because she doesn't look like a historical character. She looks like a modern character with a random clothes, like a Barbie doll from the dreamtopia line.
The second part is that Asha is not wearing a mantón de Manila or a Mantillo as you said. What she's wearing is a simple shawl. A Mantillo has a different shape and has long fringes.
She also doesn't have babyhair. The hair that you see on her os the one that is growing new. It doesn't have anything to do with the typical hair that people wear when they dress Up with Gitana's or flamenco's gown. You can search in Google photos about this hairsyle by yourself and see that It doesn't have anything in common with Asha.
About the clothes she doesn't wear anything typical from here.
I'm not going to discuss more with you about It because It seems that you don't know anything about spanish culture even when you say that you are spanish.
Asha is a new black character and they get inspired in spain when they created her country but this princess doesn't represent anything from the spanish culture or their people so please, don't deffend what can not be deffended

You're 29 but you behave like a 12 yo.

Girl the same way as "bro" is used as a gender neutral thing in social media, I'm non binary myself so I wasn't missgendering you.

Asha has baby hairs, you can see that in the 2D drawings of her, she wears them very flamenco style in the book cover.

Her mantillo looks spanish to me and her clothes look culturally correct for that time period, you just want to hate the fact that Disney made the spanish princess half black.

The Iberian peninsula in all time periods has had black people, it is well documented, its not a fairy tale that black people existed before the 90s like you and many people tend to believe.

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Anyways where do you guys think that trailer will come out? It has to be this week, what other movie is coming out they can do it? Blue Beetle I doubt since it's totally different target audiences


Edit:

In this artwork her baby hairs look very "caracolillo" from flamenco style
https://images.app.goo.gl/pt6WfKZS6HvFqpoB9

Sotiris wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 11:52 am @Pokenonbinary: I realize you're new here, but on this forum we have strict rules against personal attacks. If you haven't read our Rules & Guidelines, I urge you to do so. Calling a fellow member names including any -ist or -phobe pejoratives is not tolerated here. You need to express your viewpoint in a respectful and civil manner.