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Well...yes...that is the point Pixar was trying to make...but we were saying Ian probably could have seen his dad, too, and it wouldn't have ruined anything.

^ Oooh, I gotcha. I'm fine with how it is, but I can understand that.

disneyprincess11 wrote:Onward was so good! Not my favorite, but it’s another Pixar classic. But, I felt cheated by the ending. I mean, it would have been too easy to have Ian meet his dad. But, it was his only chance to see him. I just felt awful for Ian. Did anyone feel the same?

Actually not really.. That would have too easy, predictable (and distasteful? idk..) a resolution. In most cases, Disney really have stayed away, very cautiously, from bringing back to life dead people IN PARTICULAR when it comes to dead parents.. I think the obvious reason why they always did so is to prevent people from thinking: what would we be teaching the young ones if the movie insinuates that if you really wish so, your wish of bringing back a lost person may come true.. even for a day.. even in a magic-related world.. I mean, that's a whole debate, but I trust this "way of dealing with grief" to be made by other studios than Disney. And to me, when I come to re-think of the whole thing, Onward's ending was one logical way to make the movie good. And I mean, with honorable values. The kids watching the film can learn a lesson that remains applicable to real world.

Besides, Ian has been living with that his whole life... so yes I feel bad for him. But that began waaaaaay before that. But I believe the biggest tear-jerking character in this movie was surprisingly Barley, for he goes on living with something that doesn't exist anymore.

When it comes to you having the feeling to be cheated, here's a question I tend to ask myself whenever I feel too surprised by a film..: What do you think would even be the fun of a movie if you expect it to give you exactly what you think you want?? Just to stay open-minded. No need to actually love the film.

Disney Duster wrote:Well...yes...that is the point Pixar was trying to make...but we were saying Ian probably could have seen his dad, too, and it wouldn't have ruined anything.

Yes. I believe it would have. To my very humble opinion.
Because life doesn't work this way, and it would remove from this movie the dramatic aspects it may have.

^agree with you on everything. This film is better for not giving us what we wanted and what Ian wanted. As Rian Johnson said, the best films are those that don't give the audience what they want.

JeanGreyForever wrote:^agree with you on everything. This film is better for not giving us what we wanted and what Ian wanted. As Rian Johnson said, the best films are those that don't give the audience what they want.

It's funny because in my previous post I almost, almost got to mention "that's how you miss all the fun in The Last Jedi". Seems like that kind of example resonates well with you too

Yeah...except children can very easily take from the film "I could use magic to bring back my dead parent, I just have to not sit there behind a bunch of rubble and actually go see them" or even "but I could be Barley in that situation!"

Disney Duster wrote:Yeah...except children can very easily take from the film "I could use magic to bring back my dead parent, I just have to not sit there behind a bunch of rubble and actually go see them" or even "but I could be Barley in that situation!"

Except that the kids will end the film with a total different impression, because that's not what happens in the movie. And so in real life.
And that counts in the filmmakers' and audience mind.

Hmmmm...well, if I was a kid, I think I would try to think of how I could see my dead loved one by somehow beating the curse, or even choose to see my beloved parent while someone else beat the curse, like have my "Barley" do the fighting instead. I do not know if the message you are saying the film has, which I do agree the film probably is trying to say, actually will work for everyone! It doesn't work for me because when Ian was watching his brother and his dad, I kept thinking "Go see him, dude, he's right there!"

Disney Duster wrote:Hmmmm...well, if I was a kid, I think I would try to think of how I could see my dead loved one by somehow beating the curse, or even choose to see my beloved parent while someone else beat the curse, like have my "Barley" do the fighting instead. I do not know if the message you are saying the film has, which I do agree the film probably is trying to say, actually will work for everyone! It doesn't work for me because when Ian was watching his brother and his dad, I kept thinking "Go see him, dude, he's right there!"

It seems that would have made a clumsily immature ending I think then.

Firstly the circumstances made it clear that only Ian can break the curse. Barley can't do magic.
Then the only reason why you get to watch the scene through Ian's eyes while he is TRAPPED (let's not forget it) is because the filmmakers wanted the audience to witness the scene through Ian's perspective and wanted the audience to receive the same treatment as Ian does. And from there is born a feeling (what you've probably been through too!) which might as well be a good sign for a good movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91__hVmi5sg

Clindor wrote:

JeanGreyForever wrote:^agree with you on everything. This film is better for not giving us what we wanted and what Ian wanted. As Rian Johnson said, the best films are those that don't give the audience what they want.

It's funny because in my previous post I almost, almost got to mention "that's how you miss all the fun in The Last Jedi". Seems like that kind of example resonates well with you too

Well great minds think alike then

Clindor wrote:It seems that would have made a clumsily immature ending I think then.

Firstly the circumstances made it clear that only Ian can break the curse. Barley can't do magic.
Then the only reason why you get to watch the scene through Ian's eyes while he is TRAPPED (let's not forget it) is because the filmmakers wanted the audience to witness the scene through Ian's perspective and wanted the audience to receive the same treatment as Ian does. And from there is born a feeling (what you've probably been through too!) which might as well be a good sign for a good movie.

Thanks for the video. I watched it. It was good, pointed out lots of stuff I never realized. As for what you said, I forgot only Ian could stop the curse from getting to his father! It's just...he's standing there watching...it looked like he could have gotten out and seen his father, too. I would need to see the ending again to remember. But it sounds like what you said is right!

Onward deleted scene summons sirens and a lost character
https://ew.com/movies/onward-deleted-sc ... m-holland/

'Onward' deleted scene exclusive clip: Ian training montage
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/onw ... 15339.html

Onward is getting released today on Disney+...!

Who else is a bit overexcited to rewatch (watch it for the first time) anytime soon?

Wow, this movie made me cry again <3! Even more often than the first time.

This is really full of emotions, action scenes, and good jokes..
I'm still in adoration for some of the characters..
For me, this movie hasn't lost any of its charm since first watching
Easily a favourite among Pixar movies!

It was a finely made movie but it’s the Pixar formula, through and through. I thought it had some really well-made action scenes, particularly the car chase with the Pixies. Not their highest heights nor their lowest lows— middle tier Pixar.

UmbrellaFish wrote:It was a finely made movie but it’s the Pixar formula, through and through. I thought it had some really well-made action scenes, particularly the car chase with the Pixies. Not their highest heights nor their lowest lows— middle tier Pixar.

I agree.

UmbrellaFish wrote:it’s the Pixar formula, through and through. Not their highest heights nor their lowest lows— middle tier Pixar.

Though I'm really not subject to the Pixar formula (I've always thought Disney to be better at this game). Call me a monster but I've never felt too much for 'Up', actually I thought this movie to be quite depressing (but this is only my experience..) When it comes to Pixar movies that made me cry, you have to come back to their early theatrical movies: Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc. These movies still have the power to make me cry to this day, but then, it is only a reaction I get to some very specific scenes.. (Same remark with Coco.)

With Onward, I think this movie to be heavy in soooooooo many scenes, more than just 2 or 3 like in Pixar standards. But it doesn't feel like too much though because of the fast pace of the movie with all the action interrupting and the welcome jokes..

I'm not a fan of Up as well and I would call it a standard Pixar film that uses the Pixar formula. The first 15 minutes were good, afterwards the film is kind of okay to me.

Watched it this evening and was very pleasantly surprised. It really seemed to get a mediocre reaction at release, but I really loved it. With the exception of Coco, it’s the only Pixar movie I’ve loved since TS3. Probably would rank in the mid to low top 10 of all Pixar movies for me. It definitely followed the Pixar “two buddies on a road trip” formula to a tee, but it made the journey really exciting and filled the screen with superb characters in a way that hasn’t delighted me so much in many years. I’m rather impressed.

Not a fan of Up either. I actually think Pete Docter's films are super overrated except for Monsters, Inc. which I love.

Clindor wrote:Onward is getting released today on Disney+...!

Who else is a bit overexcited to rewatch (watch it for the first time) anytime soon?

So hyped to hear that. Didn't realize it was today/yesterday. Need to check it out!