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Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:18 pm
by Squirrel
MickeyMouseboy wrote:ohmahaaha wrote:Religion should have never, ever been brought into the whole picture with this. How can anyone here on Earth truly say what God's position on this is?? Even if someone thinks that they know what God's position on this would be - based on their interpretation of biblical text - who are they to dare to speak for God - on this or any issue?
But while Religion and biblical text is in the picture, let's talk about it for a second or two. Fact: in all of the Gospels, check the rubrics my friends, Jesus Christ never, ever said anything against or denouncing homosexuality.
ok this is my favorite part
God's position to everything is in his inspired word the bible. while many religions have their own interpretations, he bible has only one meaning and it has to harmonize completely from beginning to end since it was inspired by God. If something contradicts then some interpretation you made has to be erronious and many religions today don't care to see that. Many of their beliefs don't hamonize with the whole bible. but anyways there are scriptures in the old and new testament that are against homosexual acts. even Jesus spoke of this! This scriptures were inspiered by God an are his views on this. while the word homosexuality is not in the bible it refers to it as fornication Greek word "Por.nei'a" Hebrew word "za.nah" mean either straight or gay sex,bestiality, prostitution, etc..
we read at
Romans 1:26, 27, according to The New Testament in Modern English by J. B. Phillips:
"God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity."
we read at
1 Corinthians 6:9, 10:
"Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion . . . will possess the kingdom of God." (The New English Bible)
Or
as the verse is paraphrased in
The Living Bible:
"Homosexuals-will have no share in his kingdom."
But an honest examination of the words of Jesus, shows that he, too, did indeed speak against homosexuality.
He said, as recorded at Matthew 19:9 according to the Revised Standard Version (RSV):
"Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery."
The Greek word for "unchastity" that Matthew here employs in penning Jesus' words is por·nei'a. Por·nei'a is related to the verb por·neu'o, meaning "to give one's self to unlawful sexual intercourse."
The best way to understand what is taken in by these terms is to find out how they are used in other places. A similar word appears in the Bible at Jude 7 in describing the sin of certain ancient cities:
"Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally [an intensive form of por·neu'o] and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (RSV)
For what type of 'immorality' or por·nei'a were those at Sodom and Gomorrah condemned? The Bible narrative at
Genesis 19:4, 5 answers:
"The men of Sodom, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.'"
These men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuals. In fact, the English word "sodomy," which particularly means 'intercourse between two men,' is drawn from the name of the city of Sodom. The Bible would call their sin por·nei'a. Jesus said por·nei'a was so wrong morally that it was a basis for severing the marriage bond.
Further more Jesus was a Jew living under the Law which stated:
That Law included among its injunctions: "Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence." - Lev. 18:22
Por·nei'a, the word used by Jesus, obviously embraced this command of God. Also, it should be noted that homosexuality had been condemned by God before the law of Moses was even given. The account about Sodom and Gomorrah, referred to earlier, proves this fact; those cities were destroyed by God over 400 years before the law of Moses came into existence. Jesus was aware of that.-Luke 17:28, 29, 32. Beyond doubt, therefore, Jesus did in fact condemn all such 'unchaste' practices as homosexuality. As reason would indicate to us, the Bible is consistent on this matter. Paul's words are backed up by the authority of the Son of God. This doesn't mean God doesn't love them cause he does! John 3:16 says "God loved the world so much" it doesn't say he only loved people that were faithful to him but he said all the world including sinners but what he doesn't approve is their lifestyle. the scriptures goes on to say "the he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" here it gives a promessing future for all the people that stumble in satan's lies or the desires of our inperfect bodies, if we repent and work to gain God favor we can earn this everlasting life!
Very well-stated, MickeyMouseboy.
Gay For Or Against
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:35 pm
by Disney Guru
Quote From Pollyanna "I Don't Take Sides In These Matters"
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:02 am
by MickeyMouseboy
ohmahaaha wrote:Sorry MMBOY but it doesn't wash with me.
It was told to me by someone who has studied the Bible extensively - namely, a Priest - that Paul's letters in speaking out against homosexuality were done so to get the readers that the letter was written to move away from the ways of the Romans and Roman society and Roman practices. Homosexuality was a common practice among Roman citizens. And Rome nearly took over the world - maybe that's why people are so paranoid about homosexuality!
And I do not see how Jesus in speaking of divorce in the passage you quoted refers to homosexuality, unless like in your case and so many others, you want it to.
When I wrote my post I wasn't expecting anyone to believe me since Paul did say: 2 Co 4:4-6 "Among whom
the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers,
that the illumination of the glorious good news about the christ, who is the image of God,
might not shine through......
To Illuminate [them] with the glorious knowlegge of God by the face of Christ"
That's why I don't expect now anyone to believe this. But it's my duty as a Christian to preach the Good New of the Kingdom like the early Christians did. - Acts 4:18-20; 5:28,29. I must bear witness of this and other things to be free of bloodguilt , also to teach those who puts faith in Jesus and want to please God - Eze 33:8, 9; 3: 18,19; 1 Tim 4:16; 1 Co 9:22.
About the Roman empire taking over the world that would be kinda hard since America wasnt even discovered yet.
and as for them practicing Homosexuality that is true in part that's why early Christians stayed away from all those things since Jesus said they were not part of the world and it's practices - John 17:16, John 15:19. Why did Jesus say this? John answered in 1 John 5:19 stating that "The whole world lies in the power of the wicked one" also Eph 6:11,12 states also who rulersof this world are. That's why Paul wrote the letters to the congragations to let Christians know what was right and wrong in the eyes of God and Homosexuality was one of things that was not pleasing in the eyes of God. Paul was a Minister and was inspiered by God's spirit to write all those letters. So, who's commandment is Paul speaking and writting in his letters? God's of course. I don't know what priest told you such thing, doesn't he have faith or believes that what's written in the whole bible is God's will not men's? Homosexuality is condemed in the bible is up to you if you want to believe it or not. It is you alone that will have to answer to God in the end. And about people been paranoid about it has nothing to do with Roman trying to take over the "known world of the time". It's more about hating what's wrong in the eyes of God -Pr 8:13. Alot of people believe God condems such practice but not many people know how to handle such acts, talk, or help this people. They act out of fear of what they don't know.
Grunches wrote:I really didn't want to get involved either but to try and back MMBOY look at Leviticus 19
'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Thanks Grunches, but don't waste your time with him since what's he's claiming in his reply is answered in my post. Apparently he didn't read it completely.
Squirrel wrote:
Very well-stated, MickeyMouseboy.
Thanks Squirrel but you should praise God not me since it's his word and truth which i wrote. It is not my own word but his. I'm just a mere human instrument which he uses to preach these things.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:18 am
by ohmahaaha
MickeyMouseboy wrote:
Squirrel wrote:
Very well-stated, MickeyMouseboy.
Thanks Squirrel but you should praise God not me since it's his word and truth which i wrote. It is not my own word but his. I'm just a mere human instrument which he uses to preach this things.
Oh brother. Good Gosh, we can't wait to hear your interpretations of Nostradamus. How pathetic for you that you shield yourself with this being God's own word not yours; which would mean that your own word would be even more fallacied than your interpretations.
I'm starting to wonder why you're so afraid of homosexuality, MMBoy.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 7:32 am
by MickeyMouseboy
ohmahaaha wrote:MickeyMouseboy wrote:
Squirrel wrote:
Very well-stated, MickeyMouseboy.
Thanks Squirrel but you should praise God not me since it's his word and truth which i wrote. It is not my own word but his. I'm just a mere human instrument which he uses to preach this things.
Oh brother. Good Gosh, we can't wait to hear your interpretations of Nostradamus. How pathetic for you that you shield yourself with this being God's own word not yours; which would mean that your own word would be even more fallacied than your interpretations.
I'm starting to wonder why you're so afraid of homosexuality, MMBoy.
Well is kinda of hard talking to someone you don't know but ok....... I happen to have friends that are gay so big woopie. they are normal people with different sexual desire. so anyways. I don't need to interpret Nostradamus cause I don't believe in his words, I have a the bible which was written by someone higher and more powerful than a mere man. I don't shield myself using such frase but I give due credit since it his word that's written in the bible not mine. and if you read the scriptures I posted you would see that there's not other way to interpret this scriptures.
which brings me to another point which is that you don't read before you post. And if you think i will fawlter by your name calling or ridicules you are not the first nor the last
2 Pe 3:3 - "For you know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires!"
how MMB contradicts himself
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:09 am
by poco
MMB: here is exactly how you contradict yourself: First you post this:
MickeyMouseboy wrote:While I do believe you are born with homosexuality (as we're not perfect and our bodies as degrading and we have satan trying to take people astray) I don't hold any dislike or hate for people with this desire. God love them all but don't approve of their lifestyle. I too hold that believe at heart. As to their right everyone should have some rights to some benefits since everyone (gay,lesbian,bi, straight) person pay taxes I think everyone should be entitled to some kind of benefit even if it includes the same rights heterosexual people do. I think most people that are banning this rights are mostly religious hipocrites, they want to be seen as holy but their everyday lifes prove to be unholy so.... that's another MMBoy comment!
and then you post this:
ok this is my favorite part God's position to everything is in his inspired word the bible. while many religions have their own interpretations, he bible has only one meaning and it has to harmonize completely from beginning to end since it was inspired by God. If something contradicts then some interpretation you made has to be erronious and many religions today don't care to see that. Many of their beliefs don't hamonize with the whole bible. but anyways there are scriptures in the old and new testament that are against homosexual acts. even Jesus spoke of this! This scriptures were inspiered by God an are his views on this. while the word homosexuality is not in the bible it refers to it as fornication Greek word "Por.nei'a" Hebrew word "za.nah" mean either straight or gay sex,bestiality, prostitution, etc..
we read at Romans 1:26, 27, according to The New Testament in Modern English by J. B. Phillips:
Quote:
"God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity."
we read at 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10:
Quote:
"Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion . . . will possess the kingdom of God." (The New English Bible)
Or
as the verse is paraphrased in The Living Bible:
Quote:
"Homosexuals-will have no share in his kingdom."
But an honest examination of the words of Jesus, shows that he, too, did indeed speak against homosexuality.
He said, as recorded at Matthew 19:9 according to the Revised Standard Version (RSV):
Quote:
"Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery."
The Greek word for "unchastity" that Matthew here employs in penning Jesus' words is por·nei'a. Por·nei'a is related to the verb por·neu'o, meaning "to give one's self to unlawful sexual intercourse."
The best way to understand what is taken in by these terms is to find out how they are used in other places. A similar word appears in the Bible at Jude 7 in describing the sin of certain ancient cities:
Quote:
"Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally [an intensive form of por·neu'o] and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (RSV)
For what type of 'immorality' or por·nei'a were those at Sodom and Gomorrah condemned? The Bible narrative at Genesis 19:4, 5 answers:
Quote:
"The men of Sodom, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.'"
These men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuals. In fact, the English word "sodomy," which particularly means 'intercourse between two men,' is drawn from the name of the city of Sodom. The Bible would call their sin por·nei'a. Jesus said por·nei'a was so wrong morally that it was a basis for severing the marriage bond.
Further more Jesus was a Jew living under the Law which stated:
Quote:
That Law included among its injunctions: "Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence." - Lev. 18:22
Por·nei'a, the word used by Jesus, obviously embraced this command of God. Also, it should be noted that homosexuality had been condemned by God before the law of Moses was even given. The account about Sodom and Gomorrah, referred to earlier, proves this fact; those cities were destroyed by God over 400 years before the law of Moses came into existence. Jesus was aware of that.-Luke 17:28, 29, 32. Beyond doubt, therefore, Jesus did in fact condemn all such 'unchaste' practices as homosexuality. As reason would indicate to us, the Bible is consistent on this matter. Paul's words are backed up by the authority of the Son of God. This doesn't mean God doesn't love them cause he does! John 3:16 says "God loved the world so much" it doesn't say he only loved people that were faithful to him but he said all the world including sinners but what he doesn't approve is their lifestyle. the scriptures goes on to say "the he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" here it gives a promessing future for all the people that stumble in satan's lies or the desires of our inperfect bodies, if we repent and work to gain God favor we can earn this everlasting life!
Need I say anymore? It's pretty incriminating isn't it!
No need to respond, because it will cause you to quote things out of context, and actually makes you point worse. you have struck bottom and, sadly, you just keep digging.[/quote]
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:16 pm
by umbreongirl
It's actually a sin to penatrate a person of the same sex. So I'm against it. Plus they freak me out. Not because they're gay, I'm not that heartless.
NOTE: Haven't been on in a while.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:40 pm
by ohmahaaha
umbreongirl wrote:
It's actually a sin to penatrate a person of the same sex. So I'm against it. Plus they freak me out. Not because they're gay, I'm not that heartless.
OK, I won't ask you to cite where you see that is actually a sin to penetrate a person of the same sex, lest it should cause MickeyMouseBoy to launch into another "Hour of Power," but I will ask is it a sin to do so only in lust? Or only in torture, a la Vlad the Impaler? And where is the line of distinction drawn? Also, you say it is a sin to actually penetrate; what about just feelings? If you have homosexual feelings and they are unacted upon, is that a sin too?
If they don't freak you out because they're gay, why do they freak you out?
Gay For Or Against
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:44 pm
by Disney Guru
We need to cancel this thread it is just going to end up in a big war and will end up in a big fiasco!
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:00 pm
by Son of the Morning
MickeyMouseboy, do you eat
SHRIMP OR LOBSTER?
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:56 pm
by Prince Adam
I personally believe homosexuality is a sin, as God intended for men to be with women, not men with men and women with women. God has told us through the Bible, and so that's how I feel.
However, I don't think that homosexuality is any worse of a sin than lying, stealing, cheating etc... Sin is sin, and God does not measure it (he doesn't give us a passing or failing grade or score on how good we are).
Ever heard the song "Just as I Am"? Christ is willing to accept us for who we are, even with our shortcomings. Accepting Christ, though, means we will work to correct our faults, which may or may not include homesexuality.
Another However: I DO NOT!!!!! tolerate ANY prejudices against homosexuals in any way. Names like "fag" or "queer" really p*** me off, and if I hear someone say it near me, I let them know how I feel about it. Being a homosexual doesn't mean that you can't be a good person, or a good Christian-I live in an area heavily populated by homosexuals, and trust me-THEY'RE NOT BAD PEOPLE! They're just like straight people who, IMO, are making some wrong choices.
If they want to be gay, go ahead-it's their life.
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 6:40 pm
by jambo*rafiki
Son of the Morning wrote:MickeyMouseboy, do you eat
SHRIMP OR LOBSTER?
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
I love it, I love it, I love it!
By the way, I'm a Christian, and I'm straight, but homosexuality is fine with me.
Re: Gay For Or Against
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:29 pm
by Grunches
Disney Guru wrote:We need to cancel this thread it is just going to end up in a big war and will end up in a big fiasco!
I agree
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:31 pm
by Grunches
jambo*rafiki wrote:Son of the Morning wrote:MickeyMouseboy, do you eat
SHRIMP OR LOBSTER?
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
I love it, I love it, I love it!
By the way, I'm a Christian, and I'm straight, but homosexuality is fine with me.
Why do you think its ok?
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 9:12 pm
by Son of the Morning
Grunches wrote:jambo*rafiki wrote:
I love it, I love it, I love it!
By the way, I'm a Christian, and I'm straight, but homosexuality is fine with me.
Why do you think its ok?
Do YOU think eating shellfish is okay? I want every Christian in here that uses Biblical justification to speak up. If you're against homosexuality, are you equally against eating shellfish? It is spelled out pretty strictly, in black and white: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. Wow. Pretty powerful phrasing, there.
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:06 am
by cittycatie
EW!!!!! NO GAY MARRIAGES!!!! IT EVEN SAYS IT IN THE BIBLE!!!!! EW EW EW!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:35 am
by Paka
Whew - anyone else hear a broken record in here?
"It says so in the Bible... it says so in the Bible... it says so in the Bible...."
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:43 am
by MickeyMouseboy
Son of the Morning wrote:MickeyMouseboy, do you eat
SHRIMP OR LOBSTER?
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Like I said before the Mosaic Law is void after Jesus's ransom sacrifice. Jesus set the rules by which a christian should life their lives and not eating shrimp and lobster was not one of them. so those two scripture would only work on a person that professes the Jewish faith. My answer to your question is "No" cause I don't like either one
poco wrote:MMB: here is exactly how you contradict yourself: First you post this:
MickeyMouseboy wrote:While I do believe you are born with homosexuality (as we're not perfect and our bodies as degrading and we have satan trying to take people astray) I don't hold any dislike or hate for people with this desire. God love them all but don't approve of their lifestyle. I too hold that believe at heart. As to their right everyone should have some rights to some benefits since everyone (gay,lesbian,bi, straight) person pay taxes I think everyone should be entitled to some kind of benefit even if it includes the same rights heterosexual people do. I think most people that are banning this rights are mostly religious hipocrites, they want to be seen as holy but their everyday lifes prove to be unholy so.... that's another MMBoy comment!
and then you post this:
ok this is my favorite part God's position to everything is in his inspired word the bible. while many religions have their own interpretations, he bible has only one meaning and it has to harmonize completely from beginning to end since it was inspired by God. If something contradicts then some interpretation you made has to be erronious and many religions today don't care to see that. Many of their beliefs don't hamonize with the whole bible. but anyways there are scriptures in the old and new testament that are against homosexual acts. even Jesus spoke of this! This scriptures were inspiered by God an are his views on this. while the word homosexuality is not in the bible it refers to it as fornication Greek word "Por.nei'a" Hebrew word "za.nah" mean either straight or gay sex,bestiality, prostitution, etc..
we read at Romans 1:26, 27, according to The New Testament in Modern English by J. B. Phillips:
Quote:
"God therefore handed them over to disgraceful passions. Their women exchanged the normal practices of sexual intercourse for something which is abnormal and unnatural. Similarly the men, turning from natural intercourse with women, were swept into lustful passions for one another. Men with men performed these shameful horrors, receiving, of course, in their own personalities the consequences of sexual perversity."
we read at 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10:
Quote:
"Make no mistake: no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion . . . will possess the kingdom of God." (The New English Bible)
Or
as the verse is paraphrased in The Living Bible:
Quote:
"Homosexuals-will have no share in his kingdom."
But an honest examination of the words of Jesus, shows that he, too, did indeed speak against homosexuality.
He said, as recorded at Matthew 19:9 according to the Revised Standard Version (RSV):
Quote:
"Whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another, commits adultery."
The Greek word for "unchastity" that Matthew here employs in penning Jesus' words is por·nei'a. Por·nei'a is related to the verb por·neu'o, meaning "to give one's self to unlawful sexual intercourse."
The best way to understand what is taken in by these terms is to find out how they are used in other places. A similar word appears in the Bible at Jude 7 in describing the sin of certain ancient cities:
Quote:
"Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally [an intensive form of por·neu'o] and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire." (RSV)
For what type of 'immorality' or por·nei'a were those at Sodom and Gomorrah condemned? The Bible narrative at Genesis 19:4, 5 answers:
Quote:
"The men of Sodom, surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: 'Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.'"
These men of Sodom and Gomorrah were homosexuals. In fact, the English word "sodomy," which particularly means 'intercourse between two men,' is drawn from the name of the city of Sodom. The Bible would call their sin por·nei'a. Jesus said por·nei'a was so wrong morally that it was a basis for severing the marriage bond.
Further more Jesus was a Jew living under the Law which stated:
Quote:
That Law included among its injunctions: "Do not lie with a male as one lies with a woman; it is an abhorrence." - Lev. 18:22
Por·nei'a, the word used by Jesus, obviously embraced this command of God. Also, it should be noted that homosexuality had been condemned by God before the law of Moses was even given. The account about Sodom and Gomorrah, referred to earlier, proves this fact; those cities were destroyed by God over 400 years before the law of Moses came into existence. Jesus was aware of that.-Luke 17:28, 29, 32. Beyond doubt, therefore, Jesus did in fact condemn all such 'unchaste' practices as homosexuality. As reason would indicate to us, the Bible is consistent on this matter. Paul's words are backed up by the authority of the Son of God. This doesn't mean God doesn't love them cause he does! John 3:16 says "God loved the world so much" it doesn't say he only loved people that were faithful to him but he said all the world including sinners but what he doesn't approve is their lifestyle. the scriptures goes on to say "the he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life" here it gives a promessing future for all the people that stumble in satan's lies or the desires of our inperfect bodies, if we repent and work to gain God favor we can earn this everlasting life!
Need I say anymore? It's pretty incriminating isn't it!
No need to respond, because it will cause you to quote things out of context, and actually makes you point worse. you have struck bottom and, sadly, you just keep digging.
I don't know where you see this contradiction since you don't specify where it is or what it is. I think I have a clue.
When I said:
I don't hold any dislike or hate for people with this desire. God love them all but don't approve of their lifestyle. I too hold that believe at heart. As to their right everyone should have some rights to some benefits since everyone (gay,lesbian,bi, straight) person pay taxes I think everyone should be entitled to some kind of benefit even if it includes the same rights heterosexual people do.
My personal view on this subject start this opinion. I don't dislike or hate homosexuals as people. Then I go to say what God said he dislikes in the bible which it's their lifestyle which I agreed to believe. Then I say that Gay people should have the same rights are heterosexuals since they pay taxes this rights should be: medicare, Social Security, etc. then I stated "everyone should be entitled to
some kind of benefit even if it includes the same rights heterosexual people do" like I said before this benefits include the once I mentioned earlier I see where you thought I was contradicting myself since I didn't mention Marriage, since the later post about God's views about homosexuality condems it, it's obvious to say that God will not bless this unions. I don't know if me leaving out/adressing this specific priviledge or right is what you're saying my posts contradict. I think I made it obvious with the last post about God's view on homosexuality where It didn't need to be addressed. Since the answer was obviously not in favor of such unions. If this is not what you are addressing please be more specific. And about charging me with out of context scriptures.....well I don't see you putting any proof that this indeed are out of context. I can easily say that same things but with out proof my claims have no weight at all. So please if you're going to incriminate someone please be decent enough to offer some proof.
If I wanted to act like you I could incriminate you with alot of stuff that you as a "supposed" christian don't follow with scriptural proof. but again this is a discussion and it's not christian to fight [at all] with name calling or puffed up egos but to teach with love and kindness as a shepperd cares for his sheeps just like Jesus said to do.