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pap64 wrote:One thing I wanted to talk about... Anyone feel that some animation fans are being hypocritical about Avatar being nominated as an "animated film", even though the animation technique used is motion capture, a technique they crap upon whenever Zemeckis does it?

I've been wondering that ever since Beowulf was shunned (it seems) by the entire Actors Guild. I believe the reasoning behind this is that Avatar, while it did have a lot of CG in it, also contained a great deal of live action footage too. This makes sense to me. This is also the same reason why "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" was not considered an animated film.

IMO, if a films is more than 50% animated (this includes motion capture) it should be considered an animated film.

What I am saying is that when asked if A Christmas Carol is an animated film, people will say no because its a mocap film. Yet, they are quick to proclaim Avatar as an animated film even though it uses the same technique as A Christmas Carol and half of it is live action. I just want to know what am I missing here.

pap64 wrote:What I am saying is that when asked if A Christmas Carol is an animated film, people will say no because its a mocap film. Yet, they are quick to proclaim Avatar as an animated film even though it uses the same technique as A Christmas Carol and half of it is live action. I just want to know what am I missing here.

Because everyone's so hyped up about Avatar?

Julian Carter wrote:Oh yeah ... and WDAS can kiss any future Oscars goodbye. They're not winning awards with Winnie the Pooh and Snow Queen. Not when Pixar are being edgy and oh so mature. I challenge Mr Lasseter to greenlight a WDAS project that is just a bit experimental and unconventional.

Beauty and the Beast, a "conventional" fairy tale like Snow Queen, was the first one to get what Up just got, among a smaller group of nominees!

JDCB1986 wrote:

DisneyJedi wrote:Honestly, I kind of think these stupid Awards shows are getting rigged these days, which is probably why Pixar movies win every single year in a row, and it's that which I find completely unfair!

I think Pixar wins every year because the Best Animated Feature category usually looks something like this:

• The unintelligent Dreamworks flick.
• The Disney/Pixar film.
• That indie film that a few critics fall head over heels for, but most people find quite unremarkable.
• Some anime.

That being said... this year I truly believe that The Princess and the Frog deserves the win over UP. I still find UP to be one of the weakest Pixar titles to date. In the past few years though, Pixar usually has the best film by a long shot.

Bolded is what I typically root for, but I'm pulling for P&TF for Best Animated Feature this year.[/b]

Yeah, but what are the chances of many Academy ppl having gone to a screening that actually had Partly Cloudy included?

I was just wondering whether the companies of the other animated features, like Fantastic Mr Fox, allowed them to be considered for Best Picture. Disney did not give Princess and the Frog the chance to be nominated since they weren't campaigning for that, whereas they gave that chance to Up. So technically saying, that doesn't mean Up will win for sure, since, for example, PatF wasn't allowed to be nominated.

But I don't think any of the PatF songs will win, not for the double nomination, but rather "The Weary Kind", for Crazy Heart has won in every other award ceremony.

Babaloo wrote:I was just wondering whether the companies of the other animated features, like Fantastic Mr Fox, allowed them to be considered for Best Picture. Disney did not give Princess and the Frog the chance to be nominated since they weren't campaigning for that, whereas they gave that chance to Up. So technically saying, that doesn't mean Up will win for sure, since, for example, PatF wasn't allowed to be nominated.

But I don't think any of the PatF songs will win, not for the double nomination, but rather "The Weary Kind", for Crazy Heart has won in every other award ceremony.

Fantastic Mr. Fox had a Best Picture campaign. Not sure about the other two.

ajmrowland wrote:Yeah, but what are the chances of many Academy ppl having gone to a screening that actually had Partly Cloudy included?

I think it says somewhere in the rules that for animated short, they need to see all of the contenders to be able to vote (usually by attending special screenings), so yes, they definitely saw it.

Babaloo wrote:I was just wondering whether the companies of the other animated features, like Fantastic Mr Fox, allowed them to be considered for Best Picture. Disney did not give Princess and the Frog the chance to be nominated since they weren't campaigning for that, whereas they gave that chance to Up. So technically saying, that doesn't mean Up will win for sure, since, for example, PatF wasn't allowed to be nominated.

But I don't think any of the PatF songs will win, not for the double nomination, but rather "The Weary Kind", for Crazy Heart has won in every other award ceremony.

I think it's a real bummer the way The Princess and the Frog has been treated since being released. I honestly thought it was the best WDFA film of the decade and I'm wondering if Disney's overmarketing of the Princess franchise is what's keeping PATF from being constantly overlooked.

Anyway, I keep thinking about the featurette I saw on The Lion King DVD. Apparently The Lion King was overlooked by Disney to be an Oscar contender because everyone thought that the film idea itself was so ridiculous and was destined to fail. And all the top animators at the studio at the time went to work on Pocahontas because they were seriously convinced that Pocahontas would be the next animated film to get the BP nomination.

Well we all know what happened with all that...

estefan wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:Yeah, but what are the chances of many Academy ppl having gone to a screening that actually had Partly Cloudy included?

I think it says somewhere in the rules that for animated short, they need to see all of the contenders to be able to vote (usually by attending special screenings), so yes, they definitely saw it.

True. I forgot about the "for your consideration" campaigns.

*Still drooling over entire screenplays available on the web.*

Now because of Up I have to change my signature. Curse Up (Just Joking).

It's a shame though, no Oscar Nomination for Ponyo. I thought it was good, the ending was a little softer than I expected, but still good (sorry for the sort of off topic comment).

In regards to who I think should win the Oscar, I think Princess and the Frog has just as much chance as Up (my opinion anyway). I enjoyed both films.

Honestly, Up is more deserving of Best Picture. Let Up have that, and TPatF have the Best Animated Feature Oscar. It'd be only fair.

But we all know Avatar's gonna sweep both, because apparently, a half-live action mainstream behemoth can actually get nominated for Best Animated Feature.

ajmrowland wrote:But we all know Avatar's gonna sweep both, because apparently, a half-live action mainstream behemoth can actually get nominated for Best Animated Feature.

It's not even in the animated feature list on the nominees.

Both Up and Princess and the Frog are back on screen again at The El capitan for the next two weeks, they yanked When in rome off there schedule to accomidate these two nominated films.

DisneyJedi wrote:

ajmrowland wrote:But we all know Avatar's gonna sweep both, because apparently, a half-live action mainstream behemoth can actually get nominated for Best Animated Feature.

It's not even in the animated feature list on the nominees.

Well, that's embarassing. Icould've sworn I saw it there sometime ago. *relieved*

So, the Annie Awards have anounced their winners and Disney did very well.

http://www.annieawards.org/consideration.html#1

Up - Best Animated Feature and Best Director
Prep and Landing - Best Television Production, Character Design in a Television Production and Production Design in a Television Production
The Princess and the Frog - Best Animated Effects, Best Voice Acting (Jennifer Cody) and Best Character Animation (Eric Goldberg)

Usually, one film dominates the proceedings at the Annies (like Kung Fu Panda last year), but this year was more spread out, as Coraline and Fantastic Mr Fox also did quite well.

Up winning somewhat makes up for the crime that was Wall-E losing last year. Seriously how Kung-Fu Panda swept the Annies is beyond me...