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blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:26 am The last page over I posted this from the Art book (it's not too spoilery, just what the song is about):
"We open the film with a song dedicated to Jaeger Clade."

I didn't read your post about the art book in case it was too spoilery, but thanks for posting and for this info!

Farerb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:11 am Social Media Embargo: November 15th 12am EST
Review Embargo: November 21st 12pm EST (2 days before release)

The review embargo is quite close to the release date considering this is a theatrical movie. It might mean Disney is not too confident the actual reviews will be that good. Though, the social media embargo lifts more than a week earlier, so that at least means they're not afraid of the first impressions. Anyway, we'll find out how it fares very soon.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:26 pm In case in the future you ever want to use them, you'd type (without spaces) [ s p o i l e r ] text you want to spoil [ / s p o i l e r ]

You can also click above the space to write the comment where it says "spoiler" instead of typing it. Or write the whole text and then select the part you want in spoilers and click on "spoiler."

First, let's test the spoiler thing:

[spoiler] This is a test! [/spoiler]

[spoiler]Spoiler button test[/spoiler]

[strike]Strike?[/strike]

BlackCauldron: yes, I agree. Not every film needs to be a laugh a minute. I wasn't complaining, I was pointing out that this film is not heavy on comedy, at least to me.
I'm not even sure the journey was more important in this case... I feel the most important thing to them was the overall message, which is... let's just say VERY left wing (not saying that's bad, but I don't love it when a film is more about the message more than the "journey").

Interesting you bring up Atlantis, because SOMEONE IN MY AUDIENCE brought it up to the filmmakers (and one of the directors DID work on Atlantis). Hmmm... I think storywise, Strange World is a bit stronger than A. and T.P. ... but visually, Atlantis is much more interesting... specially in character design. The characters in S.W. felt very cookie-cutter... when the grandfather first shows up, it felt like (wreck-it)Ralph with a mustache...

I went to see this movie with three other people, and we were all very "meh"... "it was cute"... about it.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am I feel the most important thing to them was the overall message, which is... let's just say VERY left wing (not saying that's bad, but I don't love it when a film is more about the message more than the "journey").

I don't have any issues with the kind of message they want to convey, my issue is more with the execution, nothing is subtle anymore, no subtext. It's as if they don't trust their audiences to understand what they want to say. I felt it with Raya and Encanto, and in retrospect, with Frozen and Zootopia as well. In the meantime they disregard the plot/story or the characters, to the point where I just don't feel like I'm watching a movie anymore.

Disney used to make story/characters driven films, and now everything is message driven and it's honestly just boring to me.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 am First, let's test the spoiler thing:

This is a test!

Spoiler button test

Strike?

Hmm, it worked when I quoted you but not in your post; is your "Disable BB Code" checkmark at the bottom checked? D82's instructions for using the Spoiler tag might be better then.

Marce82 wrote:BlackCauldron: yes, I agree. Not every film needs to be a laugh a minute. I wasn't complaining, I was pointing out that this film is not heavy on comedy, at least to me.

I know you weren't complaining - I was also just mentioning that I wasn't complaining; since the trailers have funny moments, I just was curious if the whole thing was funny!

Marce82 wrote:Interesting you bring up Atlantis, because SOMEONE IN MY AUDIENCE brought it up to the filmmakers (and one of the directors DID work on Atlantis). Hmmm... I think storywise, Strange World is a bit stronger than A. and T.P. ... but visually, Atlantis is much more interesting... specially in character design.

That's promising, then! I love Atlantis (and I like TP as well), so good news!

Thanks so much for giving us your insight!!

Marce82 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 12:05 amI'm not even sure the journey was more important in this case... I feel the most important thing to them was the overall message, which is... let's just say VERY left wing (not saying that's bad, but I don't love it when a film is more about the message more than the "journey").

The film already has a tough female Asian character who is an explorer and also the President, a Black female character who is an experienced pilot and the leader of the family, a Black male character who's gay, a soft, sensitive father who goes against notions of "toxic masculinity"...How much more "left wing" can this get?

Farerb wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:14 amI don't have any issues with the kind of message they want to convey, my issue is more with the execution, nothing is subtle anymore, no subtext. Disney used to make story/characters driven films, and now everything is message driven and it's honestly just boring to me.

Very true. Disney always had liberal messaging and themes in their films, but they were integrated in an organic, natural way and they were executed with nuance. And as you've said, those themes stemmed from the plot and the characters. Now, it feels like they first select a message or a cause they wish to promote and then construct the plot and characters to support it. This results in their output feeling more like advocacy than entertainment.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:38 amHmm, it worked when I quoted you but not in your post; is your "Disable BB Code" checkmark at the bottom checked?

Yes, you need to uncheck the option "Disable BBCode" before you submit a post and the tags will work.

First three clips:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaX4iGA2hAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbdA7E51ZsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSiAvNqQcTA

Farerb wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:11 am Social Media Embargo: November 15th 12am EST
Review Embargo: November 21st 12pm EST (2 days before release)

Maybe the reviews lift on Monday to not interfere with DisEnchanted's release weekend on Disney+.

The soundtrack is already available to pre-save digitally: https://presave.umusic.com/strangeworld

D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:11 am Maybe the reviews lift on Monday to not interfere with DisEnchanted's release weekend on Disney+.

Well, it could be. The two movies are still being released very close to each other.

While exhibition has received word that Disney’s animated Thanksgiving release Strange World will hit Disney+ in time for the year-end holidays, there’s a robust theatrical window ahead for Wakanda Forever, definitely more than 45 days, I understand, with no plans for a holiday drop on the studio’s OTT service.

Source:
https://deadline.com/2022/11/box-office ... 235169891/

Re-testing...

My Disable-BBC WAS checked, now I unchecked it. Let's see what happens.

And Sotiris: what you just mentioned is the tip of the iceberg regarding the left-leanings of this film. Wait till you see EVERY EXTRA and the overall allegory/message of the film...

Even Almanaque Disney notices the lack of interest in this film:

In these almost 4 years of AD, no film seemed to attract as much disinterest in our networks as this one. Okay that the general public takes longer to connect with these films, but here there are a lot of animation fans and even they don't seem excited.

An honest analysis: the publicity is no longer being these things, but the materials released simply do not excite, do not instigate, do not make you curious enough to want to see the film.

(Translated from Portuguese).

https://twitter.com/almanaquedisney/sta ... 0g1eg&s=19

Marce82 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:31 amAnd Sotiris: what you just mentioned is the tip of the iceberg regarding the left-leanings of this film. Wait till you see EVERY EXTRA and the overall allegory/message of the film...

I expected that the supporting characters and the extras will all be people of color and/or female going just by the trailer and the fact Lightyear did the exact same thing. You got me curious about the film's message. Is it an allegory for climate change? Does it have an environmental theme? Or is it something else?

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:33 amEven Almanaque Disney notices the lack of interest in this film.

It's interesting that a Disney shill account which always acts as a cheerleader for everything this company churns out would openly admit this.

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:12 am

While exhibition has received word that Disney’s animated Thanksgiving release Strange World will hit Disney+ in time for the year-end holidays, there’s a robust theatrical window ahead for Wakanda Forever, definitely more than 45 days, I understand, with no plans for a holiday drop on the studio’s OTT service.

Source:
https://deadline.com/2022/11/box-office ... 235169891/

I hope this isn’t true since Deadline was wrong when they claimed to have heard Henry Cavill was coming to Comic-Con to confirm his return as Superman to the DCU.

Anyways, tickets on sale today, so make sure you get ‘em and bring as many people with you as possible to make this movie break even.

I plan to myself as I’ll be bringing 6 people with me, which are family and friends, to see Strange World in 3D.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 5:25 am The film already has a tough female Asian character who is an explorer and also the President, a Black female character who is an experienced pilot and the leader of the family, a Black male character who's gay, a soft, sensitive father who goes against notions of "toxic masculinity"

I think these identities merely exist, they aren't political creations. Anyway, is the mother the leader of the family? The father seems like he's the one with all the screentime, not her. "Soft" is not a word I would use to describe what I've seen of the father character. To me, he comes across more put together and controlled opposite the grandfather who is more easygoing and unrestrained.

Disney always had liberal messaging and themes in their films, but they were integrated in an organic, natural way and they were executed with nuance. And as you've said, those themes stemmed from the plot and the characters. Now, it feels like they first select a message or a cause they wish to promote and then construct the plot and characters to support it. This results in their output feeling more like advocacy than entertainment.

I don't feel this is true at all. What liberal message is Encanto built around from the ground up? That movie's simply about a family with the usual broken dynamics... And how is an Atlantis-looking film set inside a body "built around" a liberal message either? Pocahontas and Hunchback are much more preachy than any of their more recent films to me.

Anyway, I would've liked to see this film the day of, but I probably won't since it's release date is on a weekend (I never see animated films when the families are out to be there *shudder*), so probably somewhere around the 28th-30th area for me.No, wait, it's coming out the 23rd, I was thinking it was the 26th. I might see it the first day then. I don't expect this one to be a big hit because of the boring colors, the similarities to other flops (Atlantis, Treasure Planet), but it looks worth seeing once in theaters. I have more interest for this than I did Zootopia, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Big Hero 6. I didn't see any of those three in theaters, though I ended up liking Zootopia once I finally did see it via a DVD rental.

New Strange World poster spliced with old Frozen poster

DisneyEra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:09 pm New Strange World poster spliced with old Frozen poster

Yes, it's very reminiscent of that Frozen poster. I like it, though. Here's the Dolby one, which is very similar to a previous Strange World poster:


Source: https://twitter.com/strangeworld/status ... 4918183938


Here are also a new clip and more promos:

https://twitter.com/OnTheRedCarpet/stat ... 7147149312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_svVFNfYv4
https://twitter.com/4dxusa/status/1592518023008718852

D82 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:12 pm

DisneyEra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:09 pm New Strange World poster spliced with old Frozen poster

Yes, it's very reminiscent of that Frozen poster. I like it, though. Here's the Dolby one, which is very similar to a previous Strange World poster:


Source: https://twitter.com/strangeworld/status ... 4918183938


Here are also a new clip and more promos:

https://twitter.com/OnTheRedCarpet/stat ... 7147149312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_svVFNfYv4
https://twitter.com/4dxusa/status/1592518023008718852

Yes, this poster is the one that's been used mostly for advertising.

Here are some interviews from the red carpet of the premiere by Variety. All of the actors were asked about the LGBT representation in the film.

Jake Gyllenhaal
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592687214563323905
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592687559619903488

Gabrielle Union
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592690038512517121
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592690730698424320

Jaboukie Young-White
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592684569165078529
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592685097785864194
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592685771340775426
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592686617969426432

Jennifer Lee
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1592679674970517504


The social media reactions will start to drop very soon, but in the meantime I've found a couple of reactions from advanced screenings:

https://twitter.com/RSthePit/status/1592214312420270081
https://twitter.com/RSthePit/status/1592586861360582656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC3R-b5Tj4g

DisneyEra wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:15 pm Yes, this poster is the one that's been used mostly for advertising.

Yeah, it's true. Now I remember this artwork was also used for a standee and a photo op, for example. And I've just found a billboard featuring it:


Source: https://twitter.com/ThatsITLA/status/15 ... 2710302721

I’d be surprised if this movie isn’t a flop along the lines of Treasure Planet. Mind you that I’m not saying it will flop or that it deserves to flop, just that I’d be surprised if it doesn’t. Animated adventure movies just don’t seem to play that well anyway, followed by the inevitable controversy thar will ensue because “it’s too woke,” plus the seeming minimal promotion . . . many folks aren’t aware and those that are probably don’t seem to care.

I am a Disney Vacation Club member and got an email to see a FREE showing at Disney Springs this Saturday (and as luck would have it I actually will be in Orlando this weekend). Registration opened up at 11am with the typical virtual queue enabled, etc. I forgot about it and remembered around 4pm. And I still was able to get 3 tickets. Usually this stuff sells out in a few minutes. So when the hardcore Disney fans aren’t even snatching up a FREE opportunity to see something NEW from Disney? I think that may reflect a real lack of interest in this film overall.

We will know soon enough . . .

RyGuy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:37 amAnimated adventure movies just don’t seem to play that well anyway, followed by the inevitable controversy thar will ensue because “it’s too woke,” plus the seeming minimal promotion.

During the last month, the movie was heavily promoted. Disney usually waits until their films are close to their release date to kick the advertising into high gear. They do this with all their films. I didn't think we can blame the marketing this time if the movie does underperform.