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Rudy Matt wrote:Evil corporations blah blah blah...the same people who brought you DVDs are now trying to fool you into buying High Definition blah blah blah...DVD is fine we don't need anything better blah blah blah

Ya the Betamax still works great!

Just like it says on Wiki:

Another episode of The Simpsons, shows a garbage dump, and depicts a space for "BETA", another with the legend "VHS", and a last one space says "Reserved for DVD".

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:fj ... en&ct=clnk

The way I see it, the new SE will probably be set like this:

(NOTE: These are NOT the specs for the DVD, it's a concept of what the DVD could be.)

Disc 1: The Film
Tech Specifications:
-All new HD Transfer or either The Big-Top Edition transfer
-1.33:1 Full Screen
-English, French, and Spanish Dolby Digital 5.1 (Disney Enhanced Mix)
-English Original Mono
-Optional English, French, and Spanish Subtitles
Special Features:
-New Audio Commentary (we can assume for sure)
-Walt Disney TV Introduction
-4 Games
-Elmer Elephant short
-The Flying Mouse short

Disc 2: Bonus Material
-All New 40-55 Minute Documentary
-Any Deleted Scene(s)
-Sound Design
-Theatrical Trailers
-Photo Galleries
-Anything else etc, etc.

To me, I want this release to include new stuff while at the same time, include everything from both 60th Anniversary and Big-Top Edition releases.

Mickeyfan1990 wrote:-Anything else etc, etc.

To me, I want this release to include new stuff while at the same time, include everything from both 60th Anniversary and Big-Top Edition releases.

You forgot the new renditions of the songs from the movie sung by Disney Channel's teenie-boppers.

Goliath wrote:

The_Iceflash wrote:Someone's overly defensive.

I think that's because he felt as if I spoke about him...

In my defense, it was two years before I adopted BD, I still enjoy my DVDs, and I only did so because the studios were/are releasing exclusive content. My Aspergers is about movies, and so, by extension, am I.

Barbossa wrote:You forgot the new renditions of the songs from the movie sung by Disney Channel's teenie-boppers. :roll

Great! I've always wanted to hear "Song of the Roustabouts" by the Disney Channel Circle of Stars! All 29 of them!


Dumbo (1941): Two-Disc Platinum Edition That We'll Likely Get

Disc One: Dumbo - Feature Film & Special Features

Feature Film: (1:03:55)
-Dumbo - Walt Disney's 1941 Animated Classic with a restoration that will have polarise fans as some will say "It's great!" while others (*cough*Marky*cough) will just complain without any evidence to back up the claims. (1:03:55)


Backstage Disney:
-Feature Commentary - watch the film with a running commentary by animation historian John Canemaker, recorded in 2001. (1:03:55)

-Text Commentary: The Story of Dumbo - a family-focused trivia track with facts and trivia about the film. (1:03:55)

Bonus Shorts: The same two Disney shorts that were on the other DVDs. (17:48 )

-Silly Symphony: "The Flying Mouse" (9:19)

-Silly Symphony: "Elmer Elephant" (8:29)


Music & More:
-Music Video: "Pink Elephants On Parade" - the Disney Channel Circle of Stars butcher another classic. Includes a rap solo by Joe Jonas and a dance-off between Miley Cyrus and Selena Gomez.

-Disney Song Selection - Have the option of playing the film with a sing-along subtitle track for only four songs, or view the four songs together.
--"Look Out for Mr. Stork"
--"Casey Junior"
--"Pink Elephants on Parade"
--"When I See an Elephant Fly"


Blu-Ray Features:
-Cine-Explore - view artwork and other footage with the film.

-DisneyView - for people who just can't stand pesky black bars, be it on the sides or on the top and bottom of your screen, watch Dumbo with pesky side bars.

-BD-Live - whatever the options are for BD-Live.


Disc Two: Dumbo - Special Features

Backstage Disney:
-Technicolor Pachyderms: The Making of Dumbo - a new documentary that looks at the making of Dumbo. I'd love for it to be 45 minutes long, but it will likely not be. (<45:00)

-Celebrating Dumbo - the original 2001 featurette that looks at the appeal of Dumbo for its many fans and featuring contemporary Disney figures giving praise to a little film that could. Even though it's not very informative and really is more of gush and praise, it's included here as filler and so people who have the old DVDs can get rid of them. (14:50)

-The Reluctant Dragon: Sound Design - since we're not including the entire film as a bonus, get this excerpt which features Casey Junior and the sound effects team. (5:57)

-Live Action Reference - a collection of never-before-seen live-action footage that served as reference models for the animators. (5:27)

-Deleted Song: "Spread Your Wings" - the deleted song, presented here so we can proclaim on the packaging, "All-New Never-Before-Seen Deleted Song"...which is partially true, since fans will likely only have heard it on the soundtrack. But now you can watch it with artwork and storyboards!

-Dumbo Art Galleries - the same 167 stills we already have with nothing new.
--Concept Art (19 stills)
--Character Development: Dumbo (21)
--Character Development: Elephants (12)
--Character Development: Timothy Mouse (11)
--Character Development: The Black Crows (9)
--Character Development: Clowns (11)
--Character Development: Casey Jr. (3)
--Character Development: Miscellaneous Circus Characters (6),
--Pink Elephants (9)
--Story Development (23)
--Roustabouts (25)
--Behind the Scenes (9)
--Attractions (9)

-Trailers - the 1941 and 1949 trailers that were on the 2001 DVD, but we left them off the 2006 DVD so people who didn't have the 2001 DVD will be excited. (3:20)
--1941 Theatrical Trailer (1:10)
--1949 Reissue Trailer (2:10)

-"Disneyland" Television Introduction - watch the introduction of the September 14, 1955 episode of "Disneyland", as Walt premieres Dumbo for the first time on television. (1:10)

Games & Activities:
-Dumbo DVD Storybook: Dumbo's Big Discovery - the DVD storybook, recycled from the 2001 & 2006 DVDs.
--Read Along (12:52)
--Read To Yourself (17 stills)

-DisneyPedia: My First Circus - I actually like the DisneyPedia featurettes and was sad that Disney discontinued them. Let's include here for old time's sake.

-Learn to Fly Like Dumbo! - learn to fly like Dumbo! Do not try this at home, it will only work on your television.

-The Great Pink Elephant Escape - catch the pink elephants before they all escape from Dumbo's imagination!

-Casey Junior Railroad Fun - guide Casey Junior to the circus in this fun and exciting trivia quiz!

-Dumbo: Fun with Language - can you say "elephant"? Do you know how to spell "mouse"? You will after this exciting game!


I personally would like to see this for the Dumbo: Platinum Edition...

Dumbo (1941): Two-Disc Platinum Edition

Technical Specifications: Film
1.37:1 Academy Ratio - Original Animated & Theatrical Aspect Ratio - 1080p HD for Blu-Ray
5.1 Dolby Digital (English, French, Spanish) - 7.1 Dolby TrueHD for Blu-Ray
1.0 Original Mono (English)
Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
17 Chapters

Technical Specifications: Special Features
1.33:1 Standard Fullscreen - Select Special Features - 480p SD for Blu-Ray
1.78:1 Anamorphic Widescreen - Select Special Features - 1080p HD for Blu-Rray
1.0 Original Mono (Isolated Score)
2.0 Dolby Surround (Commentaries, Special Features)
Subtitles: English, French, Spanish
16:9 Animated Menus with Background Music


Disc One: Dumbo - Feature Film & Special Features

Feature Films: (2:17:21)
-Dumbo - Walt Disney's 1941 Animated Classic with a newly restored high-definition transfer utilising the best film elements and preserving the original colours and look of the film. Even Marky would be impressed and have a hard time trying to find something to complain about. (1:03:55)

-The Reluctant Dragon - Walt Disney's 1941 Live-Action/Animation film that was made the same year as Dumbo, taking viewers on a tour of the studios with Robert Benchley. (1:13:26)


Backstage Disney:
-Feature Commentary 1 - watch the film with a running commentary by animation historian John Canemaker, recorded in 2001. (1:03:55)

-Feature Commentary 2 - watch the film with a newly-recorded commentary by Disney animator Andreas Deja and Disney historian Leonard Maltin. (1:03:55)

-Text Commentary: The Story of Dumbo - a family-focused trivia track with facts and trivia about the film. (1:03:55)

Bonus Shorts: Five Disney shorts that showcase elephants, animals in flight, and/or the circus. (47:46)

-Silly Symphony: "The Flying Mouse" (9:19)

-Silly Symphony: "Elmer Elephant" (8:29)

-Mickey Mouse Short: "Mickey's Circus" (8:06)

-Pluto Short: "Wonder Dog" (6:50)

-Animated Short: "Goliath II" (15:02)

Music & More:
-Disney Song Selection - Have the option of playing the film with a sing-along subtitle track, or view all the songs together.
--"Look Out for Mr. Stork"
--"Casey Junior"
--"Song of the Roustabouts"
--"Baby Mine"
--"The Clown Song"
--"Pink Elephants on Parade"
--"When I See an Elephant Fly"
--"When I See an Elephant Fly (Reprise)"

-Isolated Score - Frank Churchill's score as heard throughout the film, in original mono. (1:03:55)

Blu-Ray Features:
-Cine-Explore - view artwork and other footage with the film with the Maltin/Deja commentary.

-DisneyView - for people who just can't stand pesky black bars, be it on the sides or on the top and bottom of your screen, watch Dumbo with pesky side bars.

-BD-Live - whatever the options are for BD-Live.


Disc Two: Dumbo - Special Features

The Making of Dumbo: (1:42:36)
-Technicolor Pachyderms: The Making of Dumbo - a new documentary that looks at the making of Dumbo. (45:34)
--The Story (8:35)
--The Characters (9:03)
--The Animation (13:02)
--The Music (8:39)
--The Legacy (6:15)

-Dumbo: In Print and On Screen - a featurette which compares the original storybook illustrations by Harold Perl to the animated characters in the film, showing their evolution and changes. (9:24)

-Pink Elephants and Woozles, Heffalumps on Parade - it has often been said that "Heffalumps and Woozles" is an homage to "Pink Elephants on Parade", and this feature compares the two, citing what's similar in both, but also what's unique to each. (7:32)

-Dumbo: A Character Study - a look at the character moments in the film and how they come to life through the animation. Hosted by Andreas Deja. (10:41)

-Dumbo in the Parks - a featurette that looks at two popular Dumbo attractions: "Dumbo, the Flying Elephant" and "Casey Junior Circus Train", showcasing the history of both, from design to production to their enduring popularity. (10:03)

-Celebrating Dumbo - the original 2001 featurette that looks at the appeal of Dumbo for its many fans and featuring contemporary Disney figures giving praise to a little film that could. (14:50)

-Disney Studio Album: 1941 - a look at the various animated shorts and film projects of The Walt Disney Company, circa 1941. (4:32)

Production: (15:36)
-Storyboard Sequence: "A Bath for Dumbo" - view the original storyboards for this scene in three angles: original storyboards, final animation, and a split-screen comparison. (3:16)

-Scene Progressions - view two notable scenes from the film in four different angles: storyboards, pencil animation, final animation, and a split-screen comparison. (6:53)
--The Spectacular Climax (1:03)
--"Pink Elephants on Parade" (5:50)

-Live Action Reference - a collection of never-before-seen live-action footage that served as reference models for the animators. With optional production note subtitles. (5:27)

Dumbo Scrapbook:
-Photo Montage - select artwork and photos in a photo montage with optional pop up trivia, set to music from the film's score. (7:13)

-Artwork - a selection of concept art, character design, and background paintings. (323 stills, extended from original 149 stills)
--Concept Art (37 stills, extended from 19 stills)
--Storyboards (55 stills, extended from 24 stills)
--Character Development: Dumbo (36 stills, extended from 21 stills)
--Character Development: Elephants (29 stills, extended from 12 stills)
--Character Development: Timothy Mouse (18 stills, extended from 11 stills)
--Character Development: The Black Crows (14 stills, extended from 9 stills)
--Character Development: Clowns (20 stills, extended from 11 stills)
--Character Development: Casey Jr. (15 stills, extended from 3 stills)
--Character Development: Roustabouts (25 stills)
--Character Development: Miscellaneous Circus Characters (23 stills, extended from 6 stills)
--Pink Elephants (30 stills, extended from 9 stills)
--Layouts and Backgrounds (21 stills, new gallery)

-Behind the Scenes - a selection of photos taken during production. (55 stills, extended from 9 stills)
--Music and Sound (11 stills)
--Live Action Reference (17 stills)
--Animation, Layout, and Background (13 stills)
--Ink and Paint (9 stills)
--Standard Animation Camera (7 stills)
--Multiplane Camera (8 stills)

-Publicity - posters and select merchandise for the film. (43 stills, new gallery)
--1941 Posters (6 stills)
--1949 Posters (3 stills)
--Home Video Releases (10 stills)
--Merchandise (24 stills)

-Attractions - photos featuring Dumbo in the parks. (31 stills, extended from original 9 stills)
--Dumbo, the Flying Elephant (13 stills)
--Disneyland; Casey Junior Circus Train (10 stills)
--Dumbo's Circus: Concept Art (8 stills)

Music:
-"Baby Mine" Music Videos - listen to the film's signature song in its original form by Betty Noyes, as well as four notable renditions by contemporary artists. (15:44)
--Betty Noyes (2:42)
--Bette Midler (2:33)
--Allison Krauss (3:36)
--Michael Crawford (2:53)
--Jim Brickman & Kassie DePaiva (4:00)

-Original Demo Recordings - an audio-only feature of the original demos for the songs from Dumbo, each demo includes a text card with a production note regarding the song.
--"Look Out for Mr. Stork"
--"Casey Junior"
--"Song of the Roustabouts"
--"Baby Mine"
--"The Clown Song"
--"Pink Elephants on Parade"
--"When I See an Elephant Fly"
--"When I See an Elephant Fly (Reprise)"
--"Spread Your Wings" - Deleted Song

-Dumbo: Story Album - listen to the original story album, synched up to images from the original storybook as well as animated images from the Pop-Up Panorama Storybook that came with the LP soundtrack. (15:00)

Release:
-1941 Original Release - the theatrical trailer and radio ads that promoted Dumbo in 1941. (3:10)
--Original Theatrical Trailer (1:10)
--Radio Ad 1 (1:00)
--Radio Ad 2 (1:00)

-1949 Reissue - the theatrical trailer and radio adds that promoted Dumbo in 1949. (4:10)
--ReissueTrailer (2:10)
--Radio Ad 1 (1:00)
--Radio Ad 2 (1:00)

-"Disneyland" Television Introduction - watch the introduction of the September 14, 1955 episode of "Disneyland", as Walt premieres Dumbo for the first time on television. (1:10)

-Home Video Releases - TV spots that promoted Dumbo's VHS and DVD releases through the years. (2:00)
--1981 TV Spot (0:30)
--1991 TV Spot (0:30)
--2001 TV Spot (0:30)
--2006 TV Spot (0:30)




albert

If they included both Dumbo and The Reluctant Dragon on the same disc, wouldn't that compromise the quality?

Not by much, given the short running time of "Dumbo".

ajmrowland wrote:

Goliath wrote: I think that's because he felt as if I spoke about him...

In my defense, it was two years before I adopted BD, I still enjoy my DVDs, and I only did so because the studios were/are releasing exclusive content. My Aspergers is about movies, and so, by extension, am I.

I think those he was talking about know it applies to them. The reactions on the last page show that.

@Dumbo Discussion: These possibilities have me excited.

The_Iceflash wrote:

ajmrowland wrote: In my defense, it was two years before I adopted BD, I still enjoy my DVDs, and I only did so because the studios were/are releasing exclusive content. My Aspergers is about movies, and so, by extension, am I.

I think those he was talking about know it applies to them. The reactions on the last page show that.

@Dumbo Discussion: These possibilities have me excited.

Wanting the best possible version of a movie does not make people moronic, it makes us discriminating! If we want to make the most out of our viewing experience why shouldn't we, just as you with your inferior technology enjoy DVD. There is nothing you can say, or smug emoticons you can post that will change these facts, and yes they are facts.

Just remember, every anti-blu post can be looked up on this site and thrown back in your face when the day comes when you all of a sudden decide to love blu, and that day is coming sooner than you think! Can't Wait!

Really? Do people have to turn every frickin' thread on UD into some form of Blu-Ray vs. DVD? REALLY?

Everyone gets it. Technologically, Blu is better than DVD.

But for god's sake, personal preference doesn't entitle anyone to say their choice is the right one, or that if someone makes a different choice, they're morons, or that because someone didn't make that choice they get a "blah blah blah" treatment, or any of the other ugly things said in this and many other threads.

Ten years ago, the above would have looked more like this:

• Wanting the best possible version of a movie does not make people moronic, it makes us discriminating! If we want to make the most out of our viewing experience why shouldn't we, just as you with your inferior technology enjoy laserdisc. There is nothing you can say, or smug emoticons you can post that will change these facts, and yes they are facts.
  
  Just remember, every anti-DVD post can be looked up on this site and thrown back in your face when the day comes when you all of a sudden decide to love DVD, and that day is coming sooner than you think! Can't Wait!

And ten years from now...

• Wanting the best possible version of a movie does not make people moronic, it makes us discriminating! If we want to make the most out of our viewing experience why shouldn't we, just as you with your inferior technology enjoy Blu-Ray. There is nothing you can say, or smug emoticons you can post that will change these facts, and yes they are facts.
  
  Just remember, every anti-(New Technology) post can be looked up on this site and thrown back in your face when the day comes when you all of a sudden decide to love (New Technology), and that day is coming sooner than you think! Can't Wait!

It's an ongoing cycle. Years from now, Blu-Ray will be replaced by newer technology, and years from then, that tech will also be replaced. In the meantime, can the Blu-Ray vs. DVD arguments please stop? They're going nowhere and if anything, make both sides appear more petty than they need to be. As English Teacher Mr. Logan would say: "They're pointless, repetitious, and extremely dull..."

albert

I could remark further upon the whole DVD vs. Blu argument... but I not only feel that I would be ignored and the argument would continue, I know i've posted my opinion on the matter multiple times over the past year and unlike many here on UD I don't feel the need to re-post over and over and over again the same post. It's in an effect been the reason why I don't post as much anymore because I find many topics being turned into the same discussion and therefore making many visits here boring and un-insightful.

Oops, looks like i did remark!

I think that this Dumbo release could be a very exciting release considering that it would have a whole new batch of special features since there isn't much already made for the release. The films is also a neat film in Disney History considering that it was his 5th animated feature film and the last great big animated hit before Cinderella. It also came out around the time that the U.S. entered WWII. It was a huge success for the studio considering it was a lot cheaper to make than it's predecessors (Pinocchio, Fantasia, and Bambi) which did well but never met the financial success of Snow White. There's a lot to talk about, and there should be a lot of neat things to see from it!

singerguy04 wrote:I think that this Dumbo release could be a very exciting release considering that it would have a whole new batch of special features since there isn't much already made for the release. The films is also a neat film in Disney History considering that it was his 5th animated feature film and the last great big animated hit before Cinderella. It also came out around the time that the U.S. entered WWII. It was a huge success for the studio considering it was a lot cheaper to make than it's predecessors (Pinocchio, Fantasia, and Bambi) which did well but never met the financial success of Snow White. There's a lot to talk about, and there should be a lot of neat things to see from it!

It was the fourth film, but still, all the stuff you mentioned is worth discussing on a documentary. Like how a cover story on Dumbo was replaced by the sudden attack on Pearl Harbor.

albert

I interpreted it as that he was referring to it being the fifth put into production, since he mentions Bambi as a predecessor

And yes, it would be nice if that bonus feature list looked more like the second list you posted, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up (and that way, if it does happen, I'll be blown away!)

PS.The part about the "Disney View" colored bars for people who don't like pillarboxed "black bars". made me laugh! The irony, of course, is that IMO the black bars are actually less noticible than bars with changing artwork would be - especially if one turns out the lights to create theatre-like conditions.

lol, yeah it was a little of both. I was thinking about how Bambi went into production before Dumbo, but I forgot Dumbo actually came out first. My bad!

David S. wrote:I interpreted it as that he was referring to it being the fifth put into production, since he mentions Bambi as a predecessor

And yes, it would be nice if that bonus feature list looked more like the second list you posted, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up (and that way, if it does happen, I'll be blown away!)

PS.The part about the "Disney View" colored bars for people who don't like pillarboxed "black bars". made me laugh! The irony, of course, is that IMO the black bars are actually less noticible than bars with changing artwork would be - especially if one turns out the lights to create theatre-like conditions.

Not true

CampbellzSoup wrote:

David S. wrote:I interpreted it as that he was referring to it being the fifth put into production, since he mentions Bambi as a predecessor

And yes, it would be nice if that bonus feature list looked more like the second list you posted, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up (and that way, if it does happen, I'll be blown away!)

PS.The part about the "Disney View" colored bars for people who don't like pillarboxed "black bars". made me laugh! The irony, of course, is that IMO the black bars are actually less noticible than bars with changing artwork would be - especially if one turns out the lights to create theatre-like conditions.

Not true

His opinion isn't true?

Yeah....Escapay hit it right on the button on what the phases are for technology.... The Same goes for Video Game Systems....I still look back and remember some fan saying nothing will be better in graphics the 16 bit Sega Genesis.....

Also some funny but true and ironic facts....

CDs....I remember telling my Grandma telling her I was going to burn a few CDs and she chewed me out.....

BD - that is what they are calling the sub name for Blu ray.....However if you tell a pschologist that you are going to Wal-Mart to buy some BDs....you might end up at an asylum....


and another thing.....my dad's college roomate for one semester was gay...he told his father that and he said well at least he's happy (he had no idea what that meant until my dad told him....then he he said OGD)

and if you were at a nursing home and you said you wanted a Wii they might get you a urinal or they might take you to the activity center for a bowling on the Wii....or they might just think your a dwarf...


anyway...I'll get back on topic now....is there any new news on the status of Fantasias Blu ray...which I ouldn't be surprised if it got pushed back for more timie to work on it and/or to release them when Nicholas Cage's Sorcerer's Apprentice comes to theaters...

Also I do believe Dumbo does deserve a decent release....I hope they pull out all of the stops for this......

David S. wrote:I interpreted it as that he was referring to it being the fifth put into production, since he mentions Bambi as a predecessor

Ahh, I see. I totes forgot that Bambi was produced first.

Brenders wrote:

Soups wrote: Not true

His opinion isn't true?

That's not true either.

To me, DisneyView really seems like something that would distract someone more from the picture than just having static black bars. Given the fact that they're colourful and will change throughout the picture, it's like some kind of chameleon frame or something. What do you pay attention to: the side bars or the action in the middle?

albert

Escapay wrote:

David S. wrote:I interpreted it as that he was referring to it being the fifth put into production, since he mentions Bambi as a predecessor

Ahh, I see. I totes forgot that Bambi was produced first.

Brenders wrote: His opinion isn't true?

That's not true either.

To me, DisneyView really seems like something that would distract someone more from the picture than just having static black bars. Given the fact that they're colourful and will change throughout the picture, it's like some kind of chameleon frame or something. What do you pay attention to: the side bars or the action in the middle?

albert

I actually enjoyed the DisneyView function on PINOCCHIO, a quite subtle effect that added to the atmosphere of the movie without intruding or distracting.

I haven't even tried DisneyView. I'm black bars to the bitter end!