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oh well I think that all the catholics need to be closer and pray for the Pope.

He really is a great man who has promoted good and peace throughout the world.

Loomis wrote:

RJKD23 wrote: So in some way, Loomis may have a point (though it wasn't said nicely...)

Hey, that oughta be my new slogan - or something on my tombstone

Isidour wrote:In fact,the post was for Loomis.
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Call it if your sarcastycal "humor" wants to "respect for the death" but at the end respect.
Respect for someone who have fougth more than anyone here around or evn of anyone of this days, to somebody who is respected and loved even for non-catholic people.

The post wasn't meant to be disrespectful - if it was, it'd be far more obvious. As a "lapsed Catholic" (i.e. all of the guilt, none of the faith), I understand what he means etc etc.

However, the poor old guy is being dragged out on a semi-daily basis to perform duties that any other humane profession in the world would have let him retire from years ago. He's done god's work - let the poor dear rest!

The problem is this, if he trully wanted out, all he had to do was say so. The Pope can abdicate if he wishes (This has happened at least once in the past). I think he was glad to do his work and spread good throughout the world.

I'm not a Catholic, but I have great respect for the man, and I do pray for him.

Pope John Paul II has now died. I'm not Catholic and don't subscribe much to the idea of a Pope, but he no doubt did a lot of good for Christ in the world.

-Aaron

I Know..... I just switch over to CNN and 5 minutes after I switch the Breaking News segment started. He was a great man, and let's all pray for him, and for the election of the new pope.

RIP: Pope John Paul II
1920-2005

Let him rest in peace.

RIP Pope John Paul II...

you were the only Pope I knew.

Much like Aaron, I am a Christian how does not believe in the Holy Roman Church or the Pope. But this man unlike many of his predecessors was a good man who did a good job.

I remember watching the whole black smoke white smoke thing a couple of times as a kid. If I remember correctly the Pope that immidiately preceded John Paul 2 only lasted a matter of weeks.(I remember a good deal of talk a group of Cardinals had poisoned him)

Rest in Peace, Pope John Paul II.

There's a part of me that feels "empty" inside as well as heartbroken.
He's the only pope I've known of in my 19 years of existence.

I'm a Catholic, and I shouldn't be on the internet (well, that's my opinion) because the Pope passed away, but...(I'm trying to stay sane [in a way to put it])

...at least he'll be in peace now.

I'm glad for the man himself that he finally died.
His suffer has finally ended.
R.I.P Pope

Rest in Peace, Pope John Paul II

May he rest in peace, he is in the kingdom of Heaven now, may he be at peace with the Lord Almighty and Jesus Christ.

If this Pope had any affiliations whatsoever with George W. Bush, than I refuse to aknowledge his death as a tragedy.

Lazario wrote:If this Pope had any affiliations whatsoever with George W. Bush, than I refuse to aknowledge his death as a tragedy.

Whoa. Just becuase you do not agree with some of the thing GWB did, doesnt mean you can be so irrespectful to a man who did so much good. JPII helped out the world in so many ways, and just becuase he met with GWB once or twice doesnt mean that he believes in all the things GWB does. I admit GWB isnt our best president, but JPII is easily one of themost accomplished popes in many, many years, and If you refuse to see all the good that he is done, shame on you.

SofaKing381222 wrote:irrespectful

I think you meant to say disrespectful...

SofaKing381222 wrote:If you refuse to see all the good that he is done, shame on you.

I do believe this is also the same Pope whose picture Sinead O'Connor tore up on Saturday Night Live. She payed for her free speech with her career, she was threatened with physical violence by Frank Sinatra, and the Pope remained unphased. And oh wow- just because he's holy suddenly he's a martyr? I don't buy it, I'm a very intelligent individual. I for one also do not believe we should pay so much attention to the Pope's accomplishments just because he was a man. By the way, I don't remember Mother Teresa getting this much media attention (the whole world in mourning) when she died. I wonder why... Do you?

Lazario wrote:I do believe this is also the same Pope whose picture Sinead O'Connor tore up on Saturday Night Live. She payed for her free speech with her career, she was threatened with physical violence by Frank Sinatra, and the Pope remained unphased. And oh wow- just because he's holy suddenly he's a martyr? I don't buy it, I'm a very intelligent individual. I for one also do not believe we should pay so much attention to the Pope's accomplishments just because he was a man. By the way, I don't remember Mother Teresa getting this much media attention (the whole world in mourning) when she died. I wonder why... Do you?

So, are you claiming that the Pope asked Frank Sinatra to rough up Sinead O'Connor, who earned herself headlines by turning the weakest part of Saturday Night Live into a political pedestal for her to shock viewers? Or are you saying he was supposed to respond to that kind of out-of-place nonsense? And last time I checked, Mother Teresa, who did receive an abundance of media attention throughout her career through her death, was not the leader of the church which 17% of the world's population belongs to.

Luke wrote:So, are you claiming that the Pope asked Frank Sinatra to rough up Sinead O'Connor?

No. Why would I ever say such a thing? (suspicious smiley, ey?)

Luke wrote:Or are you saying he was supposed to respond to that kind of out-of-place nonsense?

No. I am saying that Sinead O'Connor's message against the Pope's support of war and murder was muffled because of a lot of disgusting people who blind love for the Pope without any kind of examination for the things he did- albeit most of them were, yes, decent or motivated by good intentions. My point of mentioning it? I don't expect to run into the same mindless people here, who refuse to listen to an opposing point of view. And I won't entertain people who say I can't take issue with the Pope because he's dead now.

And Mother Teresa did not have a majority of news stations running political talk and specialty pieces when she was near death. This situation was handled differently because he was a man, yet Mother Teresa was just as selfless and devoted, and helped as many if not more people, all over the world.

Lazario wrote:If this Pope had any affiliations whatsoever with George W. Bush, than I refuse to aknowledge his death as a tragedy.

So in other words, you're glad he died? If that's how you feel then I'm glad you aren't a supporter of his.

All this because he met with George W. Bush (and every other US president and most world leaders during his tenure, as will his successor). You do know that Pope John Paul II actually condemned both fronts of the war on terror, don't you? He agreed with many of Bush's initiatives but took issue with just as many others. You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone on the religious or political spectrum in the last decade worldwide who hasn't had anything to do with George W. Bush, and that includes people of all political and religious ideologies.

What do you mean by affiliation though? They aren't actually affiliated in any way.

Lazario wrote:I don't buy it, I'm a very intelligent individual.

Congratulations!!!

Lazario wrote:I for one also do not believe we should pay so much attention to the Pope's accomplishments just because he was a man.

The Pope is getting recognition for his accomplishments for many reasons, not one of which is the fact that he is a male. I, too, am a male and have yet to be lauded on national news for it.

Lazario wrote:By the way, I don't remember Mother Teresa getting this much media attention (the whole world in mourning) when she died.

Ditto to what Luke said. She definitely did, and she's not even believed to be holy by Catholics, nor did she accomplish as much on a global scale. I don't point that out to deride her, but only to point out that your statements are as unfair as it would be for me to say that she got so much coverage because she was a woman.

Lazario wrote:And I won't entertain people who say I can't take issue with the Pope because he's dead now.

You're not entertaining anyone as it is. You can take issue all you want, but do so respectfully. Stating that his death isn't a tragedy is hardly kind to those who take it as such, nor does it deal with anything substantive regarding his tenure as head of the Roman Catholic Church.

Lazario wrote:And Mother Teresa did not have a majority of news stations running political talk and specialty pieces when she was near death.

Yes she did. Of course at the time there wasn't really a majority to be had... just CNN.

Lazario wrote:disgusting
mindless
I think you meant to say disrespectful...

More of the same doesn't bode well for a new member who seems to only seek offense for the sake of shock value on a rather peaceful board. Go insigate elsewhere.



-Aaron