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well, I hope this means 2-disc SE versions are coming...I've been staring at the Gold collection versions of those movies at work...and wondering if I should buy them or wait.....so this is a good sign.

And I guess i'll find out if all stores are pulling them soon, cause we'll have to as well.

I would love to see 2 disc sets for aristocats. robin hood. fox and the hound and hercules hercules is one of my fiance s fav disney movies so iknow a 2 disc set would make him happy

castleinthesky wrote:Maybe The Black Cauldron is being put in the vaults in time for its 20th Anniversery Special Edition.

Maybe it could stay in the vaults forever and we could pretend it never existed. Or they could remake it as a good movie, because the concept certainly wasnt(but the excecution of the concept certainly was)

Mr. Toad wrote:

castleinthesky wrote:Maybe The Black Cauldron is being put in the vaults in time for its 20th Anniversery Special Edition.

Maybe it could stay in the vaults forever and we could pretend it never existed. Or they could remake it as a good movie, because the concept certainly wasnt(but the excecution of the concept certainly was)

Some of us like The Black Cauldron. It deserves to be remastered!

castleinthesky wrote: Some of us like The Black Cauldron. It deserves to be remastered!

In my opinion, every animated classic deserves it. I'm with ya!

castleinthesky wrote:

Mr. Toad wrote: Maybe it could stay in the vaults forever and we could pretend it never existed. Or they could remake it as a good movie, because the concept certainly wasnt(but the excecution of the concept certainly was)

Some of us like The Black Cauldron. It deserves to be remastered!

Yes, it does! And we deserve to have the missing animation inserted back in the way it was before the execs did their little "trimming."

Well, at least the DVD was widescreen, which was more than I expected at the time of its release.

And for all you haters of the film, please acknowledge that it's an important part of Disney's history!

[EDIT] Please read what I have to say about it here: http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... c&start=23

I'm sure we all like movies that other's dislike, etc....so maybe we shouldn't get this worked up over it. Besides, as long as kids like the movies and get their parents to buy/rent them, they will be put out.

Hercules was one of the ones that I was waiting to buy because I didn't like the non-anphropomorphic transfer. I am sure that it will come out with a better transfer eventually, I'll be glad if it is sooner rather than later.

Mr. Toad wrote:

castleinthesky wrote:Maybe The Black Cauldron is being put in the vaults in time for its 20th Anniversery Special Edition.

Maybe it could stay in the vaults forever and we could pretend it never existed. Or they could remake it as a good movie, because the concept certainly wasnt(but the excecution of the concept certainly was)

I love The Black Cauldron (In fact, I have the DVD on hold at BBV along with Who Framed Roger Rabbit) and really hope to see a 2-disc set sometime soon in the future.

I'm sure I dislike some of your favorite Disney movies, but still I want to see them released as 2-disc sets. All of the animated classics deserve to be restored and shown in their full glory

The Black Cauldron is a remarkable achievement. It's an excellent film. And Roger Ebert didn't give it 3 and a half stars for nothing. It deserves a real special edition.


As for the Gold Collection titles going bye-bye, I think it's happening. Though I did see Fun and Fancy Free at WalMart last week- Oliver & Company and The Adventures of Ichabod & Mr. Toad have also made an interesting disappearing act. And the prices are going up on Amazon.com's New & Used section for brand new copies...

Oh, wow, now I'm excited. A 2-disc edition of The Fox and the Hound AND Hercules?

I don't think the disney fangirl inside me can take that much excitement!

Hmm.

Hercules is a popular enough title that I'm suprised Disney didn't make a big stink about removing it from the market. Fox and the Hound the like doesn't suprise me much, but Hercules did well enough that it's something they've pulled OOP before and made noise about. It was also a big seller on VHS, I think.

It'd seem most profitable to me to discontinue it now and make a big deal about it, and reissue it in 2007 for its 10th anniversary with all the trimmings. That way they can milk the most money out of it because (some) people would rush out and get it now, and double dip later.

Though Disney has said that they expect hi-def to be the norm by 2007, so maybe they want to get it out on standard DVD one more time before dealing with the hi-def reissue. In which case it'd make sense to suprise us with it this year, as they did with Mulan last year. And remember, we don't know what the support title for Cinderella is yet (unless the 2-disc L&S is that, but seeing as that's a new-ish title that a lot of people bought just a few years ago, I think they'd want to bring out something a bit older as well.)

But, all of the Platinums have had another major release near it, as a support of support title.

2001 - Snow White Platinum (early Oct), Dumbo (late Oct)
2002 - Monsters, Inc. CE (Sept.), Beauty and the Beast Platinum (Oct)
2003 - Sleeping Beauty SE (Sept.), The Lion King Platinum (Oct.)
2004 - Aladdin Platinum (early Oct.), Mulan SE (late Oct.)
2005 - Bambi Platinum (early March), The Incredibles CE (mid-March)

So...it seems logical that something else will be coming around the fall to be a support title for Cinderella. L&S's 2-disc is a possibility, but as I said, Disney knows that that was released semi-recently and was a huge hit on DVD the first time around, so since they just bought it a few years ago people might be less inclined to double dip on it as opposed to, say, Hercules, which they bought on VHS in 1998. So while I'm sure L&S will get another release this year, I'm not sure that Disney will be expecting as much from it as if they were bringing something else back into the spotight that hasn't been in focus for a few years. So...could Hercules possibly be a suprise SE this fall as well?

some info on the whole gold removal thing.......my store hasn't been told to remove the gold collection titles, but the prices were reduced this week!!! so it does look hopeful

well, some of the golden edition titles will get a special edition treatment sooner or later, but honestly, some of them wont; I´m thinking they´re retiring those titles to simply re-release them with no label, and maybe new but no so fancy features, perhaps the very same editions but newly packaged and with new sneak peeks, remember that they all have previews for Toy Story2, the Tigger movie, Little Mermaid II, and the golden colletion titles...

Mr. Toad wrote:

castleinthesky wrote:Maybe The Black Cauldron is being put in the vaults in time for its 20th Anniversery Special Edition.

Maybe it could stay in the vaults forever and we could pretend it never existed. Or they could remake it as a good movie, because the concept certainly wasnt(but the excecution of the concept certainly was)

Mr Toad, must all of your posts have hatred towards The Black Cauldron in them? No offence, but I find it a bit mean.

something funny, the whole golden collection has been rereleased here in Mexico a few weeks ago

Jake Lipson wrote:Though Disney has said that they expect hi-def to be the norm by 2007, so maybe they want to get it out on standard DVD one more time before dealing with the hi-def reissue. In which case it'd make sense to suprise us with it this year, as they did with Mulan last year. And remember, we don't know what the support title for Cinderella is yet (unless the 2-disc L&S is that, but seeing as that's a new-ish title that a lot of people bought just a few years ago, I think they'd want to bring out something a bit older as well.)

Hi-def is NOT going to be the norm in 2007, that I can guarentee. All it takes is a look at some previous stats to realize that this is true.

Fact 1: The current DVD technology did not really catch on with the public until (at least) 1998, if not later

Fact 2: VHS, although it has been outmoded for at least 9 or 10 years, is still supported (although it is dying a quick death now)

Fact 3: Most households just got a DVD player not that long ago and will be unwilling to get a new one so soon. The general population is not exactly tech-saavy

Fact 4: There are going to be 2 formats at the begining (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray), which will turn off some that will interested in this technology, thus reducing the sales of players

Fact 5: The Hi-def players are going to start coming out later this year, which means that they won't START dropping in price (from their initial prices of around $3000-$7000) until late 2006/early 2007

Fact 6: It would be absolute suicide for any studio to stop production of normal DVDs as so many people own players that can play only those. People are going to stick with their normal DVD players until those are run into the ground.

Fact 7: HD-DVDs are not going to make that much of a difference on a normal television

Fact 8: People are going to think of it, at first, as an attempted screw-job by the big corporations and refuse to buy into it

All of these facts are REALLY going to slow the inception of HD-DVD into the market place, and it's because of these reasons that I theorize that it won't become the norm until, at least, 2010, if ever.

IGN.com had an interesting article that brought up an interesting point, that is that HD-DVD may never catch on and may go the way of BETA. They theorize this because of fact 3 above, so the general public will not support it. However, they also speculated that the format war coming up between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will turn away the tech-saavy people who would initially buy it and start the ball rolling towards it's inception. In other words, we may not see very many HD-DVD's before it dies (which is alright by me!)

Sorry for the diversion, it just seems that a lot of people are going under the assumption that HD-DVDs will quickly replace the normal DVD, when it most certainly won't. It's going to be a slow, long process

Back to your regularily scheduled discussion....

I think all of the Animated classics should be given equal treatment. After all, they are all considered "classics" by the company. Classics like Robin Hood, The Black Cauldron, The Fox And The Hound may not have the biggest followings, but they do have a very dedicated fan base that should not be ignored.

If Hercules comes out on a special edition DVD, is it possible that Hercules 2 might come out shortly after like what happened with Mulan and Mulan 2.

Mushu wrote:If Hercules comes out on a special edition DVD, is it possible that Hercules 2 might come out shortly after like what happened with Mulan and Mulan 2.

Here's hoping!

Jayden wrote:

Jake Lipson wrote:Though Disney has said that they expect hi-def to be the norm by 2007, so maybe they want to get it out on standard DVD one more time before dealing with the hi-def reissue. In which case it'd make sense to suprise us with it this year, as they did with Mulan last year. And remember, we don't know what the support title for Cinderella is yet (unless the 2-disc L&S is that, but seeing as that's a new-ish title that a lot of people bought just a few years ago, I think they'd want to bring out something a bit older as well.)

Hi-def is NOT going to be the norm in 2007, that I can guarentee. All it takes is a look at some previous stats to realize that this is true.

Fact 1: The current DVD technology did not really catch on with the public until (at least) 1998, if not later

Fact 2: VHS, although it has been outmoded for at least 9 or 10 years, is still supported (although it is dying a quick death now)

Fact 3: Most households just got a DVD player not that long ago and will be unwilling to get a new one so soon. The general population is not exactly tech-saavy

Fact 4: There are going to be 2 formats at the begining (HD-DVD and Blu-Ray), which will turn off some that will interested in this technology, thus reducing the sales of players

Fact 5: The Hi-def players are going to start coming out later this year, which means that they won't START dropping in price (from their initial prices of around $3000-$7000) until late 2006/early 2007

Fact 6: It would be absolute suicide for any studio to stop production of normal DVDs as so many people own players that can play only those. People are going to stick with their normal DVD players until those are run into the ground.

Fact 7: HD-DVDs are not going to make that much of a difference on a normal television

Fact 8: People are going to think of it, at first, as an attempted screw-job by the big corporations and refuse to buy into it

All of these facts are REALLY going to slow the inception of HD-DVD into the market place, and it's because of these reasons that I theorize that it won't become the norm until, at least, 2010, if ever.

IGN.com had an interesting article that brought up an interesting point, that is that HD-DVD may never catch on and may go the way of BETA. They theorize this because of fact 3 above, so the general public will not support it. However, they also speculated that the format war coming up between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will turn away the tech-saavy people who would initially buy it and start the ball rolling towards it's inception. In other words, we may not see very many HD-DVD's before it dies (which is alright by me!)

Sorry for the diversion, it just seems that a lot of people are going under the assumption that HD-DVDs will quickly replace the normal DVD, when it most certainly won't. It's going to be a slow, long process

Back to your regularily scheduled discussion....

I think all of the Animated classics should be given equal treatment. After all, they are all considered "classics" by the company. Classics like Robin Hood, The Black Cauldron, The Fox And The Hound may not have the biggest followings, but they do have a very dedicated fan base that should not be ignored.

Wow you totaly highten my spirits, I would hate after starting and building up my DVD collection for DVD players to go into instinction so soon, but after reading all your points I feel better thanks !