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hmm... question:
why did they re-animate the little horned guy on the bottom left?

IggieKuzco wrote:hmm... question:
why did they re-animate the little horned guy on the bottom left?

They didn't. The two screen caps are not the exact same frame.

TLK

You can try downloading the 20 second clip here. All thanks should be directed to mvealf.

http://thepiratebay.org/download.php/32 ... vi.torrent

This is a compressed version of the clip (4MB). If you want to download the original uncompressed clip(155MB), let me know and I can arrange that too.

To download the clip you need to use a Bittorrent client.

mvealf wrote: This particular segment came from a videotape I made back in the 80's from a Wonderful World of Disney episode "Magic and Music". It was before Fantasia was released to video. They have since edited that TV show.

please is it possible that you can make a file of the whole segment with the black centaur. So we will have all parts that have been censored in one file. Not the whole Pastoral Symphony, only the scenes with the centaurs/centaurettes?!?!?! and the edited out black one.
It should be fantastic to see it all together instead of small bits here and there.
I belive you have the scenes recorded from that TV showing, right?

Chernabog wrote:I belive you have the scenes recorded from that TV showing, right?

No, he doesn't. Those first three clips are from widescreen.org. The source for them is unknown, but probably a PAL VHS tape. It's anyone's guess as to the whereabouts of the original tape...

TLK

There's a station indentification on the bottom right of the image (i think) but it's not very clear.*
Maybe someone could recognize it and we'd know what country/channel it was from and then we can send the investigative archeaological duck team to be the Raiders of the Lost Centaur. I think it's PAL derived cus the frames have no 3:2 pull down and from it's mind numbing stunning quality I don't think the person that made the file had inverse pulldown capability

When i run the files in my Quicktime their playing speed seems to vary erratically all over the place hovering around 22fps...

*I know of a possible trick to isolate the logo but it's another frame by frame job and at such low resolutions it may end not recognizable anyway... why are you reading this? It's tiny. You must want a complete Fantasia really bad. We do too :>

The Lizard King wrote:

Chernabog wrote:I belive you have the scenes recorded from that TV showing, right?

No, he doesn't. Those first three clips are from widescreen.org. The source for them is unknown, but probably a PAL VHS tape. It's anyone's guess as to the whereabouts of the original tape...

TLK

Well actually, I have all of the scenes on a tape that was made from a 16mm source. The quality of the Bacchus scene is better on the one I taped from TV, but the other scenes look better than the clips from widescreen.org.

The first uncensored clip was actually part of the original theatrical trailer. If you look at the trailer on the DVD, you can see where they cut it out, and the music jumps. I bought a VHS a long time ago that contained the Fantasia trailer uncensored, along with many other trailers.

It would be nice if someone could do their magic by making a DVDR, using my scenes from tape inserted in the DVD version, but still using the DVD music. Then if we could insert the Deems Taylor narration, we would have the most complete version available

Lizard King, are you sure those two pics aren't of the same frame? The little horned guy is the only thing different in the frame besides the "offensive" image of the black centaur.

I'd examined this scene very closely many times before this thread came about and I've also come to the conclusion that the little horned guy was re-animated. But I have no clue why they would bother with doing this. This is based on making direct comparisons between my VHS and DVD.

Sometimes I wonder why they didn't try to make an edit more "compromising" by lightening the skin a bit and altering the lip color of these characters so they they don't stand out so much. (If you think about it, everything in the whole design of the segment is pastel except for them, and part of what makes them so offensive is that they stick out like a sore thumb. The overly-dark skin and light lips are such a typical charicature of the era.) It would still be an edit, but hey, it would be less jarring then the way they did handle it.

Sunset Girl wrote:Lizard King, are you sure those two pics aren't of the same frame? The little horned guy is the only thing different in the frame besides the "offensive" image of the black centaur.

I'm positive. The frame from the DVD (on the left) is exactly one frame BEFORE the frame from mvealf's tape (on the right). I've checked it multiple times. Trust me, they are not the same frame!

Sunset Girl wrote:I'd examined this scene very closely many times before this thread came about and I've also come to the conclusion that the little horned guy was re-animated. But I have no clue why they would bother with doing this. This is based on making direct comparisons between my VHS and DVD.

He wasn't re-animated. It's all in your imagination.

TLK

The Lizard King wrote:

Sunset Girl wrote:Lizard King, are you sure those two pics aren't of the same frame? The little horned guy is the only thing different in the frame besides the "offensive" image of the black centaur.

I'm positive. The frame from the DVD (on the left) is exactly one frame BEFORE the frame from mvealf's tape (on the right). I've checked it multiple times. Trust me, they are not the same frame!

TLK

Ah, perhaps I didn't take it into account that this was probably shot "on twos." And now I have this urge to dig out my VHS to take another look!

The King is right, it's two successive frames. I posted the two frames in both their different censored versions in one of the other Fantasia uncensored threads (International. man of mistery. baby. yeah) if ya wanna go lookee.

mvealf wrote:Well actually, I have all of the scenes on a tape that was made from a 16mm source. The quality of the Bacchus scene is better on the one I taped from TV, but the other scenes look better than the clips from widescreen.org.

Well anything should be better than the .org clips and probably it could be further dethimproved with careful tweaking. mvealf's got the gold.

deathie mouse wrote:mvealf's got the gold.

He may have the gold, but I am The Lizard King... I can do ANYTHING (including author a completely in-synch, uncut Pastoral Symphony DVD with Dolby Digital 5.0) -- Beautiful!

YEEEESSSS... and it counts!

TLK

Hey, I don't mean to gravedig here, but I used to have the 3 AVI files that mvealf put on his Geocities page... but I lost them thanks to a corrupted flash drive, and since Geocities has been dead for a while I have no way of getting them.

His new site disney-laserdiscs.com does not have the files hosted.

Does anyone happen to have these AVI files still? In today's day and age, you can just use a site like www.sendspace.com to upload it.

I know the 3 files were named fant1.avi, fant2.avi, and fant3.avi. At least those were the short clips on his site. I don't know about this 155MB file.

I'd really appreciate it if someone here still has the files, since I no longer do - and if you could put them on SendSpace or somewhere.

Thanks!

Fantasia is being screened at the TCM Classic Film Festival this spring in Hollywood. Any chance it'll be the uncensored 1940 original release? I hope Robert Osborne insists on it......and I hope Fantasia becomes a part of TCM's film rotation. I won't get my hopes up on both counts...

I think it will be the censored version supplied by Disney. TCM could certainly ask Disney for the uncensored version, but ultimately it's Disney who sends the stuff to them and they'll send whatever version they want.

I e-mailed TCM a few years ago regarding some of the live-action Disney films they broadcast in open-matte 1.33:1 rather than matted 1.75:1. They sent me a very nice reply that basically said "We'd like to show these films in the original aspect ratio, but we have to make do with what Disney sends us for broadcast. They only send us open-matte."

albert

drfsupercenter, if what you're looking for is the Pastoral Symphony scenes from Fantasia with Sunflower (and co), the whole damn sequence has been uploaded on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPKpFNm3QMM

Apparently Disney showed this in the 80s on WWoC by accident and some guy recorded the whole thing. I think it's much better quality then the individual clips that have been uploaded.

Well, YouTube isn't the same as downloading it - I can email the uploader and ask for the clip I suppose... but I'd still like those 3 AVIs just to have them since I had them for quite a while.

You can download videos from youtube, you know. There's several websites that allow you to do so.

Yes I'm well aware of that. But YouTube re-encodes everything so the quality is lower than the original file that was uploaded.

Today i went on a screening of Fantasia. The Swedish filminstitute was showing an old 35 mm print.
The funny thing i is that it was in cinemascope I didn't know that there was a scope version, it was also unedited with the black centaur.
I wonder if the Swedish release on dvd/blu ray is the unedited version i suppose not, maybe I can rent it somewhere to find out. Really nice to see at a cinema, I have seen it before at a cinema but must be at least 30 years ago.