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atlanticaunderthesea wrote:So funny - I asked my mother what she thought the last animated classic was, and she said 'Tangled'. I was like no mum, I mean hand drawn. She then said "Oh right ... well that really boring Frog one ?"

, that's pretty funny even though I really like PatF. Cue DisneyJedi saying "OMG, that's SO not fair, she should take it back" and excessive use of angry emoticons.

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:And my mum is pretty in to her movies and stuff - these have totally passed her by ! Having two kids, she knows her Disney - interesting how they have kind of disappeared. I know my mum isn't the template for the whole general public, but still, thought it was interesting.

I think most of the general public, not just your mother, would draw a blank regarding anything Disney-related from around the time Treasure Planet was released. Up until PatF/Tangled came out, the last Disney film to be remembered fondly, if at all, was Lilo & Stitch. Everything in-between was/is a blur.

Don't you find that just so interesting ? What was it that was essentially missing that was making these films, as you said, just blur out in peoples minds ? I mean heck, they had Ron and John on Treasure Planet, and they have certainly proved they have the 'Disney touch'.

What was the IT that was missing ?

I know it divides some people, but I believe Lilo and Stitch was the last great hand drawn animated 'Disney' Disney movie.

Maybe it also had to do with the marketing? I remember back when Lilo and Stitch premiered it was promoted like hell- everybody was pumped to see it.

Kids, adults, everyone. It's hard to say those trailers with Stitch fucking around the other Disney characters had everyone excited for what the film could be.

Treasure Planet, on the other hand...Didn't recieve much of a marketing outside "PIRATES!! IN OUTER SPACE!!!"- by the marketing it seemed too much of a Boy's Club film for me, so I passed it the first time. Watching it years later prooves I wasn't wrong.

Chicken Little had a big promotion too...And then came Cars and ALL of its toys...God those toy shelves were never empty for all that year...

......or, is it that these movies just aren't very good ?

L & S were old school Disney. Maybe these ones were too try hard? Too different ? Who knows.

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:......or, is it that these movies just aren't very good ?

L & S were old school Disney. Maybe these ones were too try hard? Too different ? Who knows.

Who knows? Dunno. I have weird tastes in Disney. I hate fan-favorites like Fantasia or the 90s and instead like the Three Caballeros. Anything goes.

Goodness, all the 90's ones ? I don't think I have ever head someone on here say that before !

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:Goodness, all the 90's ones ? I don't think I have ever head someone on here say that before !

I'm gonna be popular here, I just know.

I like certain elements of some films here and there, Aladdin's my favorite Disney film of all time (along Emperor's New Groove) and I looove the Mickey and Friends Universe (along Goof Troop, Three Caballeros, etc).

The rest of Disney is really "take it or leave it" for me.

But the more I think and see these films the more flawed they appear. Not to mention I HAATE how currently Disney fans only support the 90s side of Disney along Tangled and Pixar and forget everything else about Disney, that's just so biased and ignorant "oh, i only like them because princesses/my childhood!". Blagh.

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:L & S were old school Disney. Maybe these ones were too try hard? Too different ? Who knows.

Maybe. Speaking from personal experience, when my thirteen year old self saw the trailer for Treasure Planet and couldn't muster much interest for it (and mind you, this is during a time where I didn't care about seeing every animated film that opened, unlike now), it was mainly due to my disappointment with Atlantis which pretty much bored me. And I viewed Planet as being more of the same kind of thing. I finally saw it a couple of years later and I liked it a tad more than Atlantis, but it still left something to be desired.

Yes, think I agree with you estefan, that makes sense. I think it was a succession of 'meh' films that stopped others viewing the rest that came along. Maybe putting them at an unfair advantage, but seems realistic that that is what happened.

thedisneyspirit wrote:

atlanticaunderthesea wrote:Goodness, all the 90's ones ? I don't think I have ever head someone on here say that before !

I'm gonna be popular here, I just know.

I like certain elements of some films here and there, Aladdin's my favorite Disney film of all time (along Emperor's New Groove) and I looove the Mickey and Friends Universe (along Goof Troop, Three Caballeros, etc).

The rest of Disney is really "take it or leave it" for me.

But the more I think and see these films the more flawed they appear. Not to mention I HAATE how currently Disney fans only support the 90s side of Disney along Tangled and Pixar and forget everything else about Disney, that's just so biased and ignorant "oh, i only like them because princesses/my childhood!". Blagh.

Haha, don't worry, it's actually refreshing to see people with different tastes than, say, mine (my Top 5 are from the '90s). Besides, I think you'd be surprised how many people here care little to none about '90s Disney. There's in fact quite A LOT of people with passion for the '40s, '60s and '70s (and even new millennium) Disney films, both animated and live-action. They may not post often, but they're here.

Mooky wrote:Haha, don't worry, it's actually refreshing to see people with different tastes than, say, mine (my Top 5 are from the '90s). Besides, I think you'd be surprised how many people here care little to none about '90s Disney. There's in fact quite A LOT of people with passion for the '40s, '60s and '70s (and even new millennium) Disney films, both animated and live-action. They may not post often, but they're here.

Aaah that's so good to hear! Tbh I've come from other social websites where this "adoration" for the 90s/princesses is huge, and it's just so snobbish and elitist that they consider inferior the rest of the Disney films.

Hah better I only talk about the animated films then, I know so little of live-action Disney...

Well, I think "Winnie the Pooh" would have been a better film to go out on, as the last 2-D film than either "Brother Bear" or "Home on the Range", as it did feel more like a Disney film. While not my favorite, and not as good as the first film, I think it has a charm, as if returning to the Hundred Acre Wood, felt like revisiting your childhood, and a reminder why I like Disney. If that makes any sense!

But back to the original question, it was a choice between the 2 films, I would have chosen "Brother Bear", as it felt more like a "classic" in the making, while "Home on the Range' felt like one extended short or a segment on one of those package films of the 40's.