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pinkrenata wrote:I vote for Minnesota as the location with the most extreme temperatures. We hit 102 degrees the other day and reached -18 (not factoring in wind chill) this past winter.

Wisconsin isnt too far off from that.

Disney Duster wrote:So, I just wanted to say, (please don't mock me), I think it all has to do with global warming. Livetsock and crops are in serious danger.

Since it's been getting hotter every summer, can't even the people who didn't believe in global warming now finally see it's happening? Or will it take about three more hotter, worse summers before they finally do, by then it will be much, much worse?

I say that every summer now. In my area, we would very rarely have tornado/severe thunderstorm weather when I was young. But now, every time it rains--as it does less and less these days--it’s verging on a tornado, whether in summer, winter, etc. Global warming is the main reason, but massive tree reduction is another.

Snow is also pretty important to the environment (where I live), and it's been snowing less here--if at all--in the winter, too.

I used the word global warming because I was talking about the warming effect. ; )

The reason I brought this up was because I was wondering if we could discuss ways to tell people how climate change is happening with all this evidence every year? Maybe in another thread?

I do wonder if scientists will come up with a solution, but we should definately not depend on that!

disneyboy, global warming already is happening, we just haven't seen the huge, huge, terrible efcects of it yet, like the polar ice caps causing a mass flood. The current theories are that we really could stop it if every single person stopped doing the things causing it, and after a few years it would finally come to a full stop.

Divinity, sorry that's happening to you. Sorry they're cutting down so many of your trees, too...?!

Super Aurora wrote:I live in Hell. I bet you can imagine how HOT it is down there LOL.

I hope you don't mean by "in hell" you mean in depression. : (

Disney Duster wrote:
disneyboy, global warming already is happening, we just haven't seen the huge, huge, terrible efcects of it yet, like the polar ice caps causing a mass flood. The current theories are that we really could stop it if every single person stopped doing the things causing it, and after a few years it would finally come to a full stop.

I meant preventing it from happening it further...such as the huge stuff...like in the movie The Day After Tomorrow ....and the reality of every single person actually stopping to do something and everything to prevent this or stop it from happening further isn't realistic....Everyone around the world would have to do their part...and realistically of that actually happening isn't much. There are people who are doing that in the world, don't get me wrong, there are just not enough....it's sad but it's the logical truth....

Well I was wondering why the Democratic presidents aren't passing laws that make people "be green" and stuff. Maybe they wouldn't do it their first term, but why not their last terms when they know they don't need to worry about being elected again?

Maybe Obama will do it if he gets re-elected?

I am so tired of all the 'tree-huggers' out there who believe all this hoopla passed down by Al Gore about the weather and 'global warming'. If you really think about what is said, you would realize that it is all a bunch of hooey. They say the damage is caused by carbon dioxide, and that means in order to help we all have to stop breathing because that is what we all exhale.

Climate change runs in cycles!!! Pay attention to your weather man or the weather channel. They will show you how the cycle of heat and warm cycles around with the wintery cold and blustery weather.

We are breaking records that were set 5 to 10 years ago, and if you go back in your almanac, you will see that people were all complaining then about the heat.

Just remember the old saying:

Spring has sprung
Winter has fell,
Summer is here
And it is hot - as Usual!!!

Disney Duster wrote:

Super Aurora wrote:I live in Hell. I bet you can imagine how HOT it is down there LOL.

I hope you don't mean by "in hell" you mean in depression. : (

No I didn't. I was referring to the actual Hell.

And I was joking in case you didn't notice the "LOL" at end of sentence.

:facepalm

This summer, the temperature's been in the late 80's and early 90's in my area--till today. Today, the temperature is 101 degrees! Save me! D:

Actually, I'm doing pretty good. I have an air conditioner going full blast and it's keeping my bedroom nice and cool while I play on my computer.

dvdjunkie wrote:They say the damage is caused by carbon dioxide, and that means in order to help we all have to stop breathing because that is what we all exhale.

Yeah, but the earth can handle a regular amount of carbon dioxide, as long as there are less people and animals than the earth's carrying capacity (which we are coming close to, but thats about overpopulation). But, if we deliberately pump more CO2 into the air by our gas guzzling cars, coal burning factories, etc this only adds to the problem. And you can bet these things pump much more CO2 into the air than humans alone. And this is why stopping breathing would not do much (nor would it be a plausible solution; for obvious reasons). A much better solution would be to work towards making these technologies more "green", and not release as much CO2. That way, green plants can handle the CO2 the animals produce through respiration and can turn it into more O2 for our quickly rising population to breath =). At least thats what we are taught in AP Environmental Science classes .

And yes, climate change has run in circles for many years, but the worry is that the excess CO2 that began in the industrial revolution (which keeps growing, due to more cars, overpopulation, etc.) will turn this current cycle into a line, which keeps getting hotter (or messes up stuff, like the currents and causes an early ice age, as seen in The Day After Tomorrow =)). I didn't post this to argue, but instead to post some scientific facts (or actually, hypothesis), and how they are interpreted in different ways (you say that its just a regular cycle, some scientists see the information as something to worry about, since a new wrench was thrown into the works of the cycle; excess CO2 from industrialization).

Anyway, down here in South Florida, we are at about 95 degrees F every day, which is about what it is every summer, so not much difference here. For once, I am glad to live here as opposed to those poor people getting fried in the central areas of the country.

Disney Duster wrote: I hope you don't mean by "in hell" you mean in depression. : (

I don't think they allow broadband connections in Hell.

dvdjunkie wrote:I am so tired of all the 'tree-huggers'

Typical mindwash. Insults are easier to come up with than facts, I guess.

We are breaking records that were set 5 to 10 years ago, and if you go back in your almanac, you will see that people were all complaining then about the heat.

And that disproves global warming? It didn't just start in 2007, it's been happening all along only it's just now become more and more obvious.

To me, it's common sense that when you add high amounts of anything into the environment that doesn't naturally occur at such a frequency, that's going to cause problems. It's just like the human body--it can take a little sugar/salt, but add 2 tons of it and see if your body can still cope.

It doesn't help either that there are less plants (ie trees, algae, etc.) that help reduce CO2 levels. Or that the ice caps are melting and releasing more CO2.

Nicely said dvdjunkie.

Disney Duster wrote:I hope you don't mean by "in hell" you mean in depression. : (

LOL.

Disney Duster wrote:Mayb Obama will do it if he gets re-elected?

Obama will save us all.

disneyboy20022 wrote:...and the reality of every single person actually stopping to do something and everything to prevent this or stop it from happening further isn't realistic....Everyone around the world would have to do their part...and realistically of that actually happening isn't much. There are people who are doing that in the world, don't get me wrong, there are just not enough....it's sad but it's the logical truth....

In fact, all over the world the exact kind of activities that cause the augmentation of carbon-dioxide is rapidly increasing. In countries like China, India and Brazil tens of millions of people are moving up to the middle classes and many more are about to, with all the consequences that goes with it, like much bigger usuage of energy --and the sky-rocketing increase of meat consumption by these people who are now finally able to afford it. And the production of meat is the no. 1 cause of carbon dioxide production.

But what can we do? Ask those poor people to please stay in their slums and not move into real houses provided with showers, gas ovens and electric light? If policies like those now in place in almost all of Latin-America continue to go on (like I hope and 'pray' they will), millions more will move up the social and economic ladder and contribute to this problem. But I'm rooting for these people to finally be saved from poverty.

Disney Duster wrote:Well I was wondering why the Democratic presidents aren't passing laws that make people "be green" and stuff. Maybe they wouldn't do it their first term, but why not their last terms when they know they don't need to worry about being elected again?

Maybe Obama will do it if he gets re-elected?

Because Democratic presidents, like Republican presidents, are being bought and paid for by the energy companies. The only difference is Democratic presidents will at least give some lip-servive to the green cause, whereas Republican presidents flat-out deny climate change is happening. I mean, when it comes to this issue, Republican politicians are either corrupt or just plain stupid, like the Tea Party candidates, who tell you 'global warming' isn't true, because it snowed last winter...

The last president who tried to tackle this issue, Jimmy Carter, was being thrown out of office because he gave a speech the American people didn't want to hear. They labeled it "the malaise speech". The US was facing oil shortages due to a boycot of OPEC countries, and Carter took that opportunity to urge the American people to use less gas and energy. Under his presidency, the usage of oil indeed lowered for the first and only time in history. Carter installed solar panels on the roof of the White House to give Americans the good example.

But 'sacrifice' is not what the people wanted to hear. So after his campaign team sabotaged the president's negotiations to free the American hostages in the embassy in Teheran, Ronald Reagan was elected on a platform of "everything is magically going to get better and there's nothing you have to do for it". His first act was to remove the solar panels from the White House roof. Oil usage skyrocketed (partly due to the skyrocketing increases in military spending) and environmentalism was his enemy.

Ever since Reagan, Democrats have increasingly been to the right of him (even though the corrupt media still call them 'liberal' or 'left', which they aren't), so why should they do anything about this problem?

By the way, if Obama keeps embracing the plan of the 'Gang of Six' to cut Social Security to fight the deficit (though SS doesn't add to the debt), while handing out even more tax breaks for multi-millionaires and big corporations (the plan that's on the table now), he might not even get re-elected. The liberals are not happy at all with this, and even though they've been scolded and pushed aside for years by the DLC, Obama needs them to get re-elected. Lots of them are saying they'll stay home come election day if Obama agrees on this suidicide-for-the-working-class pact.

dvdjunkie wrote:I am so tired of all the 'tree-huggers' out there who believe all this hoopla passed down by Al Gore about the weather and 'global warming'. If you really think about what is said, you would realize that it is all a bunch of hooey.

Turn off Fox before your brains turn into goo.

Heartless wrote:Nicely said dvdjunkie.

You shouldn't compliment him, but Rush Limbaugh. That's where he gets his fact-less talking points from. I know for sure, cause he parrotted those childish insults word for word.


Bill Maher lays waste on global warming deniers, pointing out that when it comes to issues of science, the non-scientists should not have a vote; and that the media should stop giving attention to people who don't know shit, but have an opinion nonetheless.

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^ That's hilarious!

dvdjunkie wrote:We are breaking records that were set 5 to 10 years ago, and if you go back in your almanac, you will see that people were all complaining then about the heat.

But you said it yourself. We are breaking the records now. It's getting hotter every year. Doesn't that say something to you?

And as for the carbon dioxide thing, well, what it is is that certainl levels of everything is fine, but as we become more overpopulated and we use more gas and carbon dioxide, it adds more of these "bad things" than we are supposed to have, and that is why all of us need to cut down. Don't you believe we could all find a way to be very happy even if we cut down on some things?

Goliath, well, thanks for all that info. So I guess even Obama's not above pleasing certain connections to keep himself in good positions and such?

How do you explain the colder winters we have been having in the past few years. That can't be global warming, if it is, you have a lot of 'splaining to do.

We only hit 97 degrees today in Wichita, but tomorrow through Saturday we are going back into the triple digits with Thursday, Friday and Saturday supposed to be in excess of 105, again. And we still have August to get through before we start our Indian summer, and head in the Fall and the turning of the leaves, which will lead us into our Winter.

Having lived in California for the first 60 years of my life, I can tell you that I like it lot better here than there.

Incidentally, why don't most of you tell us in your profile where you live. Are you not proud of where you live, or are you just not-information-friendly about who or what you are.

It is hard to discuss something with people when you don't know where they live and what may have been the cause for what they want to talk about.

It is easy, just go to profile, and fill in the blank with where you live, and I don't mean "under an umbrella under the sea", or " in hell", or something stupid like that.

dvdjunkie wrote:Incidentally, why don't most of you tell us in your profile where you live. Are you not proud of where you live, or are you just not-information-friendly about who or what you are.

It is hard to discuss something with people when you don't know where they live and what may have been the cause for what they want to talk about.

It is easy, just go to profile, and fill in the blank with where you live, and I don't mean "under an umbrella under the sea", or " in hell", or something stupid like that.

Some people understandably prefer to keep their location and/or real name etc. private. But incidentally, I was accurate when I filled out my location as "Sin City," as it's a common nickname for where I live. Hence the high temperatures I've listed, this is the desert.

I won't comment on the global warming thing, but our record high here was made back in 1931. And it's also interesting to note that we've actually had winter snow here in the past few years. It usually melts before it hits the ground, but back in December of '08 we got the biggest winter storm the city had seen in thirty years, enough to build snowmen! It was the very first time some of my husband's family had ever seen snow in their own yard (no big deal to me though, I grew up in the stuff). And early this year we got enough covering the ground to close down the schools before it melted away.

Disney Duster wrote:Goliath, well, thanks for all that info. So I guess even Obama's not above pleasing certain connections to keep himself in good positions and such?

That's true. The influence of corporate money on American politics is thwarting any kind of progress the country needs. There once was a time when a Democratic president was despised by big business and they did everything they could to get rid of him, but, as he declared: "I welcome their hatred". That was FDR. What was then considered the mainstream Democratic position, is now being labeled as 'the kooky far left', and what was once the Republican position, is now being occupied by the Democrats. And the Republicans... they have jumped off a cliff!

I like to use this clip to illustrate my point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPDhQAeMYmI

dvdjunkie wrote:How do you explain the colder winters we have been having in the past few years. That can't be global warming, if it is, you have a lot of 'splaining to do.

*face-palm*

You do know the difference between 'the weather' and 'the climate', do you?

dvdjunkie wrote:Incidentally, why don't most of you tell us in your profile where you live. Are you not proud of where you live, or are you just not-information-friendly about who or what you are.

And the relevancy of this to this thread is...?

Oh, wait, it's not relevant at all, it's just another distraction from your lack of arguments.

Last night on our local news, when the weather man came on he brought some statistics that were setting the record straight about our temps over the past month and a half.

The record for consecutive days over 100 degrees is "50" set back in the 1930s, we are complaining about so many days in the triple digits that it was nice to be able to know they had it a lot warmer back then.

The number of days with temperatures over 105 during a summer period was a record set back in the 1920's. So I guess that will poo-poo all of you "tree-huggers" out there who think Al Gore knew anything about what he was talking about.

And to Goliath: It is always good to know where a person lives, what part of the country or the world, so when they are involved in discussions such as this, we can relate to where they live.

dvdjunkie wrote:So I guess that will poo-poo all of you "tree-huggers" out there who think Al Gore knew anything about what he was talking about.

What are you, 5 years old? Besides that whole Ellen "Degenerate" phase you were going through, I can't think of anything more childish.

By the way, Al Gore is not the one who “invented” global warming. He was just the first politician who decided to bring it up. God knows Bush never would have--he’s basically property of the US oil companies.

dvdjunkie wrote:Having lived in California for the first 60 years of my life, I can tell you that I like it lot better here than there.

When I was in California (twice in my life, Meeting Roy E Disney, and being on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno) I actually preferred the weather in California due to there was not as much Humidity in the air....It was hot...but the Humidity not being there was great for my lungs....different strokes for differ folks I suppose