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I just think Rosie's quitting because of the arguement with Donald Trump. I just want to say "Good riddance" even though I don't watch the View.

I know what you mean. I didn't even respect the View until Rosie came on. Now she's leaving. Hopefully, the other women won't let Rosie leaving affect the great new material Rosie brought to the show in the most recent months / weeks. To be fair, I think the format is the problem, not the hosts. Most of the hosts, anyway.

PapiBear wrote:I am not a Rosie fan. Thus, it is a win/win for me.

Well that's okay. She still has a lot of fans with or without you.

Rosie isn't quitting.............she just didn't want to sign a three-year contract with ABC, and not have any options to do other things.

Well, that's what she says, and what ABC says, but if you read CNN and other news reports, she is being let go because of all the controversy she stirs up, and all the hatred of the Bush admiinstration that she should keep to herself, and of course, if you saw her on that show Friday night when she grabbed her crotch and told Donald Trump to "eat me", that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

When Rosie had her own variety show she was fabulous. She had that silly crush on Tom Cruise, and sang duets with some of her favorite artists like Garth Brooks, Neil Diamond, Neil Sedaka, and so many more. She brought a bright light to afternoon variety talk shows that hadn't been seen since Mike Douglas. I was a big fan of Rosie's then. I was very disappointed when she stepped down from that show and gave it over to Carolyn Rhae.

When she first hit the airwaves with "The View", she was intertaining, opinionated, and did some very good interviews. But ever since the first of the year and her 'run-in' with Trump, Rosie has jumped off the deep-end and started saying things that were uncalled for. She showed no remorse in her telling everyone that American brought down the World Trade Center just to start a war in Iraq. She had no facts, and then when the Popular Science magazine came out with the facts and wanted to debate Rosie about it, she ran and hid.

After the tragedy at West Virginia, all she could do is scream about Gun Control..............and we all know how much off base she was with that.

I think that the Disney corporation was tired of losing the sponsors, or hearing about all the terrible things she was saying and doing, and then when Barbara Walters refused to back her up, Rosie went off the deep end, and we all know now that after June she will just be making guest appearances every now and then.

I hope that Rosie goes back to the 'old' Rosie and comes back to afternoons with another of the shows she does best. She is a great talent and it is a shame that she has to see her career come to a halt this way. She is a tropper and I am sure that we have not heard the last of Rosie O'Donnell.

dvdjunkie wrote:Rosie isn't quitting.............she just didn't want to sign a three-year contract with ABC, and not have any options to do other things.

Well, that's what she says, and what ABC says, but if you read CNN and other news reports, she is being let go because of all the controversy she stirs up, and all the hatred of the Bush admiinstration that she should keep to herself, and of course, if you saw her on that show Friday night when she grabbed her crotch and told Donald Trump to "eat me", that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

When Rosie had her own variety show she was fabulous. She had that silly crush on Tom Cruise, and sang duets with some of her favorite artists like Garth Brooks, Neil Diamond, Neil Sedaka, and so many more.

Well, I'm sorry you prefer "silly crushes" and "duets" to debate (regardless of if what she debated was right or wrong). That seems to be the problem with politics both in the UK and the US. People care more about non-entity, talentless "celebrities" and who they are dating, doing or saying rather than stuff that actually, you know, affects their own lives.

I've seen the clip of Rosie talking about 911 and yes, she did no favours to herself or the point she was making. In the end if was nothing but shouting. But I'm pretty sure that was an exaggerated, extreme example of her behaviour (or else, why was it going around YouTube when the other episodes weren't so much?).

And regardless of how viewers percieve her statements, good or bad, believeable or laughable, having her say them, on TV, for the public to hear and make their own minds up about only strengthens democracy. Democracy is not made stronger by corporations worried about keeping sponsors happy.

dvdjunkie wrote:if you read CNN and other news reports, she is being let go because of all the controversy she stirs up, and all the hatred of the Bush admiinstration that she should keep to herself

Well Mr. junkie, I happen to think, and I know I'm not nearly alone in this, that her "hatred of the Bush administration" (which is Universal, prevalent in every nation including our own, and well-earned) is what's made the show interesting and strong. When it used to be a pretty uneventful hen-peck session with nothing being accomplished, and the biggest controversy was between Barbara Walters and Star Jones. Funny if you hear about it 2nd hand, but not half as fascinating to see for yourself.

dvdjunkie wrote:and of course, if you saw her on that show Friday night when she grabbed her crotch and told Donald Trump to "eat me", that was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.

He deserves at least that. And again, Junkie... do you think his poor feelings were hurt? You will remember that he's been fueding with celebrities for some time now. And I hardly think his spat with Rosie was as ugly as his entire season of The Apprentice with Martha Stewart. He's been asking for what Rosie dished out at him for some time now. Even if Martha Stewart is a bitch.

dvdjunkie wrote:I was a big fan of Rosie's then.

Did you enjoy her Interview with Tom Selleck?

dvdjunkie wrote:She showed no remorse in her telling everyone that American brought down the World Trade Center just to start a war in Iraq. She had no facts

She just said what was on a lot of other people's minds. If Popular Science magazine can prove it didn't happen, why does she need to be involved with that at all? She's not the only one who, apparently, felt as though the Bush administration may have had a hand in what happened on 9/11. Why are you so obsessed with the Messenger being the one who takes the fall? Who are you seeking justice for? Those murdered on 9/11, or yourself?

But just so we can settle our little score right here, right now... I don't think for one second that the Bush administration was ever so bloodthirsty that they would have ever even so much as put a bomb in a McDonald's restaurant in America, let alone the World Trade Center. However... I don't have facts to prove that. And I have made many incorrect judgment calls in the past.

dvdjunkie wrote:After the tragedy at West Virginia, all she could do is scream about Gun Control...and we all know how much off base she was with that.

Hardly the first time she's ever publically addressed this issue. It's not like anyone's going to be surprised. She's always been very passionate about Gun Control.

And Virginia Tech is proof positive that whatever theory people like you have about gun privilages... isn't working out. People who commit mass murders are still having access to guns. That must be controlled. Some how. Seriously now, what's your theory? Just leave it be? Don't do anything, leave things the way they are? That's why Virginia Tech happened. And I'm glad Rosie said something.

dvdjunkie wrote:I think that the Disney corporation was tired of losing the sponsors

Yes, how many did they lose? Do you have the figures?

dvdjunkie wrote:all the terrible things she was saying and doing

Yeah - she was terrible! The things she did, why they're just so terrible, I don't know how she didn't get arrested for them. Let's arrest her. And throw her in jail. Never let her out. If only she knew about all the lives she's destroyed with her... words... of injustice and sadism. How could she practically stand there and advocate... destroying all those innocent people's lives? How can she sleep at night with her... uncaring, unfeeling opinions? She just said and did the most...terrible things. Thinking of no one but herself. Oh! The humanity!

dvdjunkie wrote:I hope that Rosie goes back to the 'old' Rosie and comes back to afternoons with another of the shows she does best. She is a great talent and it is a shame that she has to see her career come to a halt this way. She is a tropper and I am sure that we have not heard the last of Rosie O'Donnell.

Isn't dvdjunkie just a pip, ladies and gentlemen? All this is not about how he feels she's deceived him with her free thinking, opinionated, sharp edged perspective on political and social issues... He's just concerned for her well-being. How cute is that? Just cute as button, yes it is. Oh look at that, you're just so sweet and cute.

Quit patronizing her, and us. If you actually care about her, you have to accept everything about her. Especially when it doesn't really matter what she says about the Bush administration. All that counts in the end is that a lot of people agree with her. I watched YouTube-d clips of her opinions on his potential impeachment. The crowd ate it up. But you just can't get past the fact that she doesn't agree with you. If you know anything about Rosie O'Donnell, you damn well know she's never been quiet. Don't ask her to be a mouse. Or a puppet on strings. Regardless of who you think is best qualified to pull the strings, if what she has to say weren't important - she would never have been allowed to say it for as long as she did.

I guess there's something so controversial about Roise O'Donnell that cause heated threads on UD.

Anyway, good riddance to talentless celebrities. Let's hope this will be the last we ever see of her.

Actually, T/P-f, that might not be the worst thing that could happen.

Too many people are too stupid to listen to anything she says anyway. And too distracted by the fact that she's a free-thinking, speak-her-mind lesbian who doesn't just conform to believing the crap the media feeds us by the bucketful. Her comments on corporate control of the media are the best messages she ever tried to send. As long as corporations continue to control some of the programs she's featured on... She can't be completely free.

Maybe after this... she'll go off and live that life she's got. Try to be happy just being a normal person.

Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Let's hope this will be the last we ever see of her.

Not likely. She's probably leaving so that she can have her own show and push her agenda with no one else at the table to counter her views.

I don't care much for her, and there are several reasons why, but two stand out.

First of all, I don't like hypocrites. We all know how passionate about gun control Rosie supposedly is. But, as most of you remember, in May 2000 it was revealed that her bodyguard had applied for a concealed carry permit. So, she fired the bodyguard, right? Of course not. Even though she once stated that guns should be outlawed and gun owners should go to prison, she claimed that it was ok for him to carry a gun because she and her children needed protection. That sort of thing should be infuriating to anyone, regardless of which side of the gun control issue you take.

The second incident that further tarnished my opinion of her was her handling of the "ching chong" comments she made on The View. I personally do not believe she meant to offend anyone, but people were offended regardless. Her publicist's response: "Get over it." How nice. When it was apparent that that wasn't going to cut it, Rosie issued one of those flimsy "I'm sorry if you were offended" statements, which isn't really an apology, but just "Get over it" reworded.

As for what I think of The View - I used to enjoy it but it died when Meredith left and Star was forced out, in my opinion.

carter1971 wrote:First of all, I don't like hypocrites. We all know how passionate about gun control Rosie supposedly is. But, as most of you remember, in May 2000 it was revealed that her bodyguard had applied for a concealed carry permit. So, she fired the bodyguard, right? Of course not. Even though she once stated that guns should be outlawed and gun owners should go to prison, she claimed that it was ok for him to carry a gun because she and her children needed protection. That sort of thing should be infuriating to anyone, regardless of which side of the gun control issue you take.

You have a point there. And a pretty good one.

But think about this for a moment - she's a gay, female celebrity with a "big mouth" who has children. Psychos love to murder women, celebrities, people with big mouths, and gay people, especially with children.

I agree with the idea of practice what you preach. But should her entire family die for other people's zealotry? Imagine how many death threats she must get per day. Would you want to be her? Would you take those chances? Especially with children?

I agree with you, on principle. And if I were her, I would have done a lot of things differently. But she's not stupid. Hypocrite or not, she can't afford to risk the lives of her children for ideals.

Lazario wrote:I know what you mean. I didn't even respect the View until Rosie came on. Now she's leaving. Hopefully, the other women won't let Rosie leaving affect the great new material Rosie brought to the show in the most recent months / weeks. To be fair, I think the format is the problem, not the hosts. Most of the hosts, anyway.

So, the format's just fine when Rosie's there, but a problem when she's not?

Exactly what "new material" did Rosie bring to the show? Koosh balls? A Tom Cruise crush? A lesbian perspective?

I used to like Rosie (somewhat) until I found out what she was really like as a person.

2099net wrote:Well, I'm sorry you prefer "silly crushes" and "duets" to debate (regardless of if what she debated was right or wrong). That seems to be the problem with politics both in the UK and the US. People care more about non-entity, talentless "celebrities" and who they are dating, doing or saying rather than stuff that actually, you know, affects their own lives.

Wow. Did I just read that here?

2099net wrote:And regardless of how viewers percieve her statements, good or bad, believeable or laughable, having her say them, on TV, for the public to hear and make their own minds up about only strengthens democracy. Democracy is not made stronger by corporations worried about keeping sponsors happy.

Despite the fact that I'm not a Rosie fan, I do happen to agree with her in regards to the Bush administration, and with regard to WTC 7 being imploded. That's been proven elsewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LikgKwsbUuM

Papibear wrote:

Despite the fact that I'm not a Rosie fan, I do happen to agree with her in regards to the Bush administration, and with regard to WTC 7 being imploded. That's been proven elsewhere.

Where do you get these beliefs from. It has been proven over and over that it could not have happened. Where are the facts that you base your beliefs on?

This next part is for Lazario, who at his insistance wants to air the laundry, dirty or clean, out on the UD forums. So here goes:

Lazario, you offer all of these beliefs and digs against everything I say, but yet you offer no solution. Just like most "left-wing bomb throwers" you criticize and complain, but offer no proposed solutions to the situations. So here are three things that Ms. O'Donnell has said that I would like you to comment on and offer what you think would be the solution:

1. Rosie compared "radical" Christians to Muslim Terrorists.

2. Announced that NO American Catholic should be allowed to be a Judge because of the Chursh's doctrine on abortion.

3. Openly accused President Bush of committing treason.

Do these sound like a sane person's rants? The Disney company was tired of taking a beating and after her rant Friday night, even Peter Pan couldn't save her, they have decided to part company.

Will Rosie go away. I think not. There are a lot of people who like her, and there are some people who loathe her. She is a total freak of nature who will succeed in spite of her mouth, and will always have those who support her beliefs, however right or wrong they may be.

dvdjunkie wrote:1. Rosie compared "radical" Christians to Muslim Terrorists.

There are certain similarities. Have you ever listen to Pat Robertson's rants? Religious extremism is usually pretty much the same, no matter what religion is involved. It's usually particularly disdainful in any of the abrahamic monotheistic faiths.

The main difference between radical Christians and radical Muslims are that the former group live in countries with progressive, secular governments that don't tolerate any kind of religious interference in political matters; particularly violence in the name of religion to further political agendas. The majority of the latter group live (or are generated) in theocratic states, where the political climate is determined entirely by Religion. Obviously, nearly all of the theocracies on Earth are Islamic. There's no such thing as a Christian state in the modern world (unless you count the U.S. under the Bush Administration, which was hopefully as close as we ever come to a Christian state), and Isreal is the closest Judaism comes to having a theocratic state in its name.

dvdjunkie wrote:2. Announced that NO American Catholic should be allowed to be a Judge because of the Chursh's doctrine on abortion.

This is obviously an extreme viewpoint. Judges (or politicians) who happen to be catholic shouldn't allow their faith in influence their public service, though. Canada is a good example of a country in which many of our politicians are Catholic. This, however, didn't stop many of them from voting in favour of things like abortion and, more recently, same-sex marriage; despite the condemnation from the Vatican. A good public servant should know how to seperate their religious values from real-world values.

dvdjunkie wrote:3. Openly accused President Bush of committing treason.

She wouldn't be the first. Treason might be a bit out there, but I don't believe Bush has the best interests of your country at heart. His entire administration has been one farce after another.

dvdjunkie wrote:
1. Rosie compared "radical" Christians to Muslim Terrorists.

2. Announced that NO American Catholic should be allowed to be a Judge because of the Chursh's doctrine on abortion.

3. Openly accused President Bush of committing treason.

Bill, I know that you addressed this to Lazario, and I am sure that he will come to answer your questions. However, I'd like to give my answers to your questions.

1. While saying that "radical" Christians are like Muslim terrorists may be a bit harsh, Rosie is not too off the mark. Radical Christians condemn those who do not share their beliefs to death, saying that those who do not think or do as they do, will go to hell. Radical Christians feel that the deaths of those who are gay/lesbian are justified, because it is God's punishment. Look at Fred Phelps ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps ), who spreads his hate, all in the name of God.

Muslim terrorists kill in the name of God, saying that it is their duty. While radical Christians may not actually do the killing of those who don't follow their beliefs, they feel the death of those who do not follow their beliefs is justified. Take note that I'm not saying that EVERY radical Christian feels this way, but, there is a reason they are considered radical.

2. A judge is supposed to be unbiased in his/her decision. When the foundation of your belief system states that, in absolute terms, there shall be no abortion, it does make it difficult for that judge to be unbiased. So, I can see Rosie's point. However, as a human being, it is hard to not have some bias in regards to your personal/religious beliefs.

3. George W. Bush is guilty of treason. Treason is defined in one of three ways:

a. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
b. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
c. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

Although he is not guilty of overthrowing the government of United States (as he is part of that government), I would say that he has most certainly betrayed the trust and confidence of the United States of America, and the world. He has lied to further his agenda, he has kept very important information from the public, and when caught, he says it is all for the protection of America.

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He knew this. There is evidence that he knew this before ordering thousands of American troops to their death. He has allowed the government to listen into the communications of American's, violating First Amendment rights (of which this country is founded on), all in the name of protecting America. He has used his powers far too broadly, and has seriously undermined the trust that America and the world has in the Presidency of the United States of America. Then, when he realizes that he has gotten America into a situation that he can't turn us around from, he says, and I quote, "The situation in Iraq will be a matter for future president's." Well, how convenient?! He is basically saying, "Yeah, I screwed up, and I'm just going to leave the mess for someone else." Very nice, George. Very nice.

So, yeah, Rosie isn't too far off the mark, at all.

dvdjunkie wrote:Papibear wrote:

Despite the fact that I'm not a Rosie fan, I do happen to agree with her in regards to the Bush administration, and with regard to WTC 7 being imploded. That's been proven elsewhere.

Where do you get these beliefs from. It has been proven over and over that it could not have happened. Where are the facts that you base your beliefs on?

I'm weird, see. I listen to actual demolitions experts who know this kind of thing, rather than politicians.

http://killtown.911review.org/wtc7.html

http://www.911blogger.com/node/2807

http://www.911lies.org/WTC_collapse_dem ... sions.html

Explain to me why BBC News reported the collapse of WTC 7 26 minutes before it actually did - http://boards.hbo.com/thread.jspa?threa ... &start=120

dvdjunkie wrote:So here are three things that Ms. O'Donnell has said that I would like you to comment on and offer what you think would be the solution:

1. Rosie compared "radical" Christians to Muslim Terrorists.

2. Announced that NO American Catholic should be allowed to be a Judge because of the Chursh's doctrine on abortion.

3. Openly accused President Bush of committing treason.

Do these sound like a sane person's rants?

Notice how, if someone's belief is different from yours, you relegate them to "insane" status (are you a licensed psychiatrist, sir? Can you make such a diagnosis?). Does that work both ways? If I disagree with you, do I get to label you insane as well?

Her statements may have been a tad over the top, brash, and dogmatic, but they certainly sound like things stated by sane people.

The comparison of radical evangelical Christian activists to Muslim terrorists, while, again, over the top, is not that particularly surprising. Both are strongly motivated by their faith to take action. Unfortunately, there are those extremists, both Muslim and Christian, who believe that violence is somehow legitimized by their faith. Do you deny that Christian extremists who advocate violence exist?

I don't necessarily agree with her on #2, because it singles out a specific group of people and denies them an opportunity. One could easily make a similar argument that gays shouldn't have the right to adopt children. That would, however, be recognized as targeting a specific segment of the population for unfair treatment. So, while her position on this matter is poorly thought-out, it's hardly "insane."

As for #3, it's really just stating the obvious. Nothing insane about that.

PapiBear, that is probably the most intelligent post I've seen on this thread so far.

What I've always liked about Rosie is how she doesn't hide what she has to say, she isn't afraid that people might not share her views or agree with her. I've noticed that you have said many times here that she has no proof to back up her opinions or what she says, here's the definition of the word Opinion

Opinion, n a belief that is not based on proof; judgment; estimation; evaluation; a formal expert judgemnet; professional advice.


She doesn't need any proof or facts to back up her opinions because that is what an opinion is. I saw someone in this topic also mention that this is why it's called The View and not The Facts, because it's all opinions from a group of women. If this show was all about the facts than it may as well be the News. This show is offering a different view, the News is what you should watch if you want to hear the facts on matters.

As for what MadonnasManOne said, I have this to add: I couldn't have put it better, but I do have this to add, Shirley Phelps is just as bad as Fred Phelps is. Have you seen the clips of her on youtube? She is absolutly horrible, at one point I thought that she made Rosie look quiet! I watched her on the Tyra Banks show as well the other week, she was a bit hypocritical there.

I think I've got a crush on Lazario.

xxhplinkxx wrote:I think I've got a crush on Lazario.

I think I do, too

PapiBear wrote:So, the format's just fine when Rosie's there

Yeah- she took it and made it her own. But it's been a lot more intelligent since she's been there.

PapiBear wrote:Exactly what "new material" did Rosie bring to the show? Koosh balls?

Hey, you got something against Koosh balls?

PapiBear wrote:A Tom Cruise crush?

I always thought that was downright weird. He is downright weird.

PapiBear wrote:A lesbian perspective?

A confrontational socio-political perspective... something like that.

PapiBear wrote:I used to like Rosie (somewhat) until I found out what she was really like as a person.

And again, I think Rosie was nice but just loud before she chose to start saying something with that voice. Now she's quite endearing. Sure she might insult anyone of us who pass her by- but that's part of her charm. Just enjoy the ride, while it lasts.