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Timon/Pumba fan wrote:BTW it might be just me, but is anyone else getting tired of hearing people saying that "The Little Mermaid" should've been higher because it "saved" animation.

What I said was we wouldn't have seen half the movies on the list, as they are now. Meaning, The Little Mermaid introduced a new way of presenting a story; broadway style. I doubt we'd be seeing much Disney musicals like Mermaid if it weren't for the commercial/critical success that it was. Think about it....

Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
BTW it might be just me, but is anyone else getting tired of hearing people saying that "The Little Mermaid" should've been higher because it "saved" animation. Personally, I believe "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" should've been on there. Maybe people will argue it's a live-action film with animation in it, but it actually saved animation because not only did kids love it, but it made adults realize it was okay to like animation. To tell you the truth without this film, "The Little Mermaid" and "Beauty and the Beast" would've probably been flops and UD probably wouldn't be here. While I still like "The Little Mermaid" because it's a very good film, but to say that animation was "saved" because of this film is a bit of a stretch.

You must be kidding. Saying The Little Mermaid didn't save animation is what's a stretch. While there are many factors in every artistic paradigm shift, there's usually one key factor. The key to rejuvanating an interest in American animation, particularly Disney animation, was the The Little Mermaid. Who Framed Roger Rabbitt is in the vain of Mary Poppins and I don't consider hybrids like these to be animated features, as do most critics. That's why they're called hybrids. Who Framed Roger Rabbitt is a very good movie, but there was more to it than just animation. And just because it has animation doesn't mean it was meant to contribute to the growing interest of animation.

Prince Eric wrote: Travesties: Cinderella, The Jungle Book, My Neighbor Totoro, Lady & the Tramp, 101 Dalmatians, Waking Life, and The Adventures of Prince Achmed, and Akira are worthy, and would have been preferable to any of the ones above.

You also forgot Castle in the Sky and Nausicaa.

DisneyFan 2000 wrote: What I said was we wouldn't have seen half the movies on the list, as they are now. Meaning, The Little Mermaid introduced a new way of presenting a story; broadway style. I doubt we'd be seeing much Disney musicals like Mermaid if it weren't for the commercial/critical success that it was. Think about it....

Yeah, I guess your right about the "Broadway" idea, but it really wasn't the first animated classic to do so. Oliver and Company was actually the start of it, and after the movie was compleated, Jefferey Katzenberg grew to love both Alan Menkan and Howard Ashman and wanted them to do the music for "The Little Mermaid". So when you think about, The Little Mermaid really wasn't the start.

Now I really don't have anythin against The Little Mermaid, in fact I really like this moive MUCH better than Olive and Company and most of the 44 classics, but to say that this film is the reason why most animated films are musicals or why Disney was saved is not 100% accurate.

Prince Eric wrote: You must be kidding. Saying The Little Mermaid didn't save animation is what's a stretch. While there are many factors in every artistic paradigm shift, there's usually one key factor. The key to rejuvanating an interest in American animation, particularly Disney animation, was the The Little Mermaid. Who Framed Roger Rabbitt is in the vain of Mary Poppins and I don't consider hybrids like these to be animated features, as do most critics. That's why they're called hybrids. Who Framed Roger Rabbitt is a very good movie, but there was more to it than just animation. And just because it has animation doesn't mean it was meant to contribute to the growing interest of animation.

While I never said The Little Mermaid didn't save animation(in fact it somewhat did) but like I said above, it didn't save it 100%. I mean I think #11 is a fine place for The Little Mermaid. For me it's far from the greatest animated movie ever, but it's still a very good animated movie that HELPED save animation. However I don't think it should be higher on the list just because some people think it's the reason why we have most of the current animated movies. So all in all TLM belongs where it is on this list(if not lower).

Some films on this list I've never seen (Iron Giant, South Park, Transformers) so I don't know anything about them, but of the ones I have, the list is respectable but if we're talking solely of opinions here--lacking a couple that I didn't see--Watership Down and the Secret of NIMH. These are very overlooked.

Terrible list. I doubt if Toy Story 2 belongs even in the top 100. And I cringe every time I hear someone praise the most overrated film of all time, Finding Nemo. Final Fantasy, Transformers? This list sounds like it was made by Napoleon Dynamite-type geeks who have no taste. But that doesn't explain the strange inclusion of Charlotte's Web.

Miss Jo wrote:Terrible list. I doubt if Toy Story 2 belongs even in the top 100.

Have there been a lot more than 100 animated films (excluding anime)?

South Park was good, but nowhere near that great. My top 3 would've been:

1. Spirited Away

2. The Lion King

3. Princess Mononoke

Miss Jo wrote:Terrible list. I doubt if Toy Story 2 belongs even in the top 100. And I cringe every time I hear someone praise the most overrated film of all time, Finding Nemo.

While Toy Story 2 isn't my favorite animated film(I think the original is slightly better) I would be 100% shocked if you named 100 better animated films than Toy Story 2.

But I agree with you about Finding Nemo, very overrated! But yet, it isn't the most overrated animated film of all time! (ever heard of Shrek 2?)

Timon/Pumba fan wrote:But I agree with you about Finding Nemo, very overrated! But yet, it isn't the most overrated animated film of all time! (ever heard of Shrek 2?)

Well, Shrek two isn't on the IGN list...

Interesting list, but I question some of the inclusions including South Park and Charlotte's Web. Timon, I agree with you somewhat about your comment on "can you name 100 animated films better than Toy Story 2?" because no, I can't. However, I question the film being the top choice. Though they did rate Snow White highly because of its spot in film history, I wish they could have used film history a little more in making their choices. But then again, that would cause Shrek 2 to be on the list...

chaychay102royal wrote: Timon, I agree with you somewhat about your comment on "can you name 100 animated films better than Toy Story 2?" because no, I can't. However, I question the film being the top choice.

Toy Story 2 being raved by people is nothing new.

On Amazon both Toy Story 1 and 2 are giving 5 STARS by reviewers. Both of them are 100% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes(Toy Story 2 being the best reviewed movie of all time) and not to mention adults and kids love it.

The only thing close to a negative review I found was someone saying that the original or the sequel was better than the other. But aside from that, both are excellent movies that are wonderfully paced that has something for everyone.

And since Toy Story has been #1 on several lists before, it's no surprise that it's sequel is the same.

There's no denying it that Toy Story 2 is a brilliant, heart-warming and funny movie that 99.8% of the world loves.

Where's The Man Who Planted Trees?! Crac!?! Fantastic Planet?! My Neighbor Totoro?! Kiki's Delivery Service?! The Adventures of Prince Achmed?! Tale of Tales?! Gulliver's Travels?! Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind?! Galaxy Express 999?! The Secret of Nimh?! Wizards?! The Last Unicorn?! The Shepherdess and the Chimneysweep?! The Plague Dogs?! Allegro no Troppo?!
IDIOTS!

Lord Yupa wrote:Where's The Man Who Planted Trees?! Crac!?! Fantastic Planet?! My Neighbor Totoro?! Kiki's Delivery Service?! The Adventures of Prince Achmed?! Tale of Tales?! Gulliver's Travels?! Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind?! Galaxy Express 999?! The Secret of Nimh?! Wizards?! The Last Unicorn?! The Shepherdess and the Chimneysweep?! The Plague Dogs?! Allegro no Troppo?!
IDIOTS!

You shouldn't necessarily call people idiots just because they didn't have every single animated movie you like. Some of those movies are quite unknown, I doubt they would have included "Crac" for instance.

Timon/Pumba fan wrote:

chaychay102royal wrote:However, I question the film being the top choice.

Toy Story 2 being raved by people is nothing new.

Timon, I don't doubt that Toy Story and its sequel are very popular because both of them are very good films. What I was saying is that I question Toy Story 2 being called the greatest animated film of all time. I also question Toy Story being called the best. I'm not saying they shouldn't be on the list or that I don't like them, far from it but calling them the absolute best?

chaychay102royal wrote:

Timon/Pumba fan wrote: Toy Story 2 being raved by people is nothing new.

Timon, I don't doubt that Toy Story and its sequel are very popular because both of them are very good films. What I was saying is that I question Toy Story 2 being called the greatest animated film of all time. I also question Toy Story being called the best. I'm not saying they shouldn't be on the list or that I don't like them, far from it but calling them the absolute best?

well, what flaws can you find with them then?

Alan wrote: well, what flaws can you find with them then?

What flaws do you find in films like The Lion King, Bambi or The Little Mermaid? There's just something about the Toy Story films that just doesn't appeal to me as much as some other movies and I think saying they're the greatest movies ever a little surprising.

I didn't mean to cause a fight here, especially not with Justin who is my friend and who loves these movies. My apologies if I offended you.

who is Justin?

Alan wrote:

Miss Jo wrote:Terrible list. I doubt if Toy Story 2 belongs even in the top 100.

Have there been a lot more than 100 animated films (excluding anime)?

There have been 324 animated films to have played in US theatres. That figure includes Anime and Live action animation mixes like the Reluctant Dragon & Song of the South.

Source Jerry Beck's Website and his new book.

Lord Yupa wrote: Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind?!

DEFINITELY. That was my first thought when I read the list. "Where's Nausicaa?" Then, question 2 was "Why does EVERYONE overrate Spirited Away??"