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I think overall it's a good idea to include the sequels with the originals. The only thing that does irk me is that the sequel seems to be considered equal to the original. I feel that the sequel should be included as a bonus feature of sorts. The cover art should reflect the original, then maybe add a sticker to the packaging announcing that the sequel is included.

My opinion of this matter could also lie in the fact that I'm not a HUGE fan of TFatH. If this were to happen to Pocahontas, Mulan, or Hunchback (which is a very large possibility), I would be extremely upset with the cover art displaying the title of the sequel.

I'm just glad it's coming out on Blu and it's in its OAR! Whoop!

I honestly don't mind the sequel being with it on the same disc - there for a rainy day viewing!

Matt

Wow, this will released in an exactly one month!

UmbrellaFish wrote:Wow, this will released in an exactly one month!

It got moved back from June 7th to August 9th. I still don't know whether or not I'll get this. The Fox and the Hound is one of my childhood favorites, but I haven't watched it in awhile and I've only watched the sequel probably like two times so that would be a waste. It's great that the film will finally be in widescreen, but I don't know if that is good enough for me to upgrade.

Are we even certain the original film is going to be in widescreen? In the trailer on the CARS blu-ray, it shows the first film column boxed and the second being widescreen.

MattDean wrote:I'm just glad it's coming out on Blu and it's in its OAR! Whoop!

Just because it is in widescreen does NOT mean that it is in its OAR. Disney released "The Fox and the Hound" to theatres in 1981 with an aspect ratio of 1.75:1. It was not filmed in CAPS and therefore was originally filmed in a 1.33:1 ratio and matted to fit the theatrical framing (the same technique used for the previous Disney feature, "The Rescuers").

It was not framed for a 1.66:1 release, and this framing will not fit most widescreen televisions. This makes absolutely no sense. If they are going to matte it (like they should), then they need to matte it in the film's OAR (1.75:1). I figured they would at least matte the film to most standard widescreen ratios (1.78:1) which was pretty darn close.

This is a BAD sign for all upcoming Disney releases. It means that even after all of the home media formats, Buena Vista will be the ONLY company who does not issue their films in the OAR. They chop them up and screw up the framings on their films, and therefore NONE of the releases can be trusted. Even the newest Blu Ray releases.

This stinks!

^ How do we know it will be 1.66:1 and not 1.75:1?

edit: thanks matt!

Have we even heard that the release will be in widescreen? I must have missed that.

KubrickFan wrote:Have we even heard that the release will be in widescreen? I must have missed that.

From the front page:

...Notable for being the original 1981 animated classic's first widescreen release on home video (it will be presented in 1.66:1)

Matt

MattDean wrote:

KubrickFan wrote:Have we even heard that the release will be in widescreen? I must have missed that.

From the front page:

...Notable for being the original 1981 animated classic's first widescreen release on home video (it will be presented in 1.66:1)

Matt

I'm sorry, most of the time I skip to the forum immediately. But that ratio doesn't even make sense. Beauty and the Beast was in CAPS and was released in 1.78:1 (not that I'm complaining, mind you) and a movie like this that wasn't even animated in 1.66:1 gets stuck with that ratio. But then again, the DVDs of The Rescuers and The Great Mouse Detective suffered from the same thing.

EDIT: and by the way, where did the information come from? From what I know, there hasn't been a press release that states the aspect ratio.

disneyfella wrote:

MattDean wrote:I'm just glad it's coming out on Blu and it's in its OAR! Whoop!

Just because it is in widescreen does NOT mean that it is in its OAR. Disney released "The Fox and the Hound" to theatres in 1981 with an aspect ratio of 1.75:1. It was not filmed in CAPS and therefore was originally filmed in a 1.33:1 ratio and matted to fit the theatrical framing (the same technique used for the previous Disney feature, "The Rescuers").

It was not framed for a 1.66:1 release, and this framing will not fit most widescreen televisions. This makes absolutely no sense. If they are going to matte it (like they should), then they need to matte it in the film's OAR (1.75:1). I figured they would at least matte the film to most standard widescreen ratios (1.78:1) which was pretty darn close.

This is a BAD sign for all upcoming Disney releases. It means that even after all of the home media formats, Buena Vista will be the ONLY company who does not issue their films in the OAR. They chop them up and screw up the framings on their films, and therefore NONE of the releases can be trusted. Even the newest Blu Ray releases.

This stinks!

Calm down.

I am aware that a release promoted to be widescreen does not always mean a film will be presented in its OAR. I thought 1.66.1 was TF&TH's OAR. Maybe I am mis-informed. Besides, let's wait and see what the actual presentation measures up as - promotional information is not always reliable.

'It was not filmed in CAPS and therefore was originally filmed in a 1.33:1' You cannot say this for certain! CAPS was created as an ink and paint sytem. Based on what you say any film that didn't benefit from the CAPS process must 'therefore' be 1.33:1 ...really?!

You may not be aware of this but on Disney Cinemagic HD they broadcast TF&TH every so often and although the film is not broadcast in widescreen, the opening credits are - still in the 4x3 frame with black bars top and bottom. I'd say the viewable picture displayed is roughly between 166.1-1.75.1 - but there is definitely more picture information on both sides of the picture than in any other release on DVD/video that I have seen. Perhaps this helps to suggest the releases up to now have been P&S?

With regards to Buena Vista being the 'ONLY' company that does not issue their films in the OAR: That's a sweeping statement. Are you sure they have NEVER released films in their OAR? Wrong. And other companies 'screw' it up.

Matt

Because of over scan on most HDTVs, the difference between 1.66:1, and 1.75:1 will not be noticeable. Same as 1.78:1 and 1.85:1. I'm not sure what the OAR for this film really is, but if it was released in theaters in widescreen I'm glad that is the version we will get on Blu-ray.

As far as the actual movie... I haven't seen it in easily 10+ years, and I don't think I have ever watched the sequel. I'll definitely pick this up when its released in a few months.

The only flaw I see in this release is in the title. The Fox and the Hound 2 isn't turning 30 haha it's like 4 or 5 haha

The Family Fun Edition DVD for Don Bluth's Anastasia has a 67 min. prequel as one of the bonus features. It isn't mentioned on the front cover but the back cover. The front cover is entirely focused on the original film.

I wonder what Disney Movie Rewards will have in the way of TF&TH stuff.

^I dont think that movie even being a prequel is too accurate, at it takes place in an entirely other world to the original.

On Topic, I havent seen this since I was 5 or 6, so this'll be something for me.

DarthPrime wrote:Because of over scan on most HDTVs, the difference between 1.66:1, and 1.75:1 will not be noticeable. Same as 1.78:1 and 1.85:1. I'm not sure what the OAR for this film really is, but if it was released in theaters in widescreen I'm glad that is the version we will get on Blu-ray.

As far as the actual movie... I haven't seen it in easily 10+ years, and I don't think I have ever watched the sequel. I'll definitely pick this up when its released in a few months.

I believe most HDTVs (as opposed to the old tube TVs) actually have the option to turn overscan off. I know mine can. I'm not bothered by bars on the sides, but I am bothered when you're not given the original aspect ratio.

There's even less bonus features than on the DVD.



Given, yes, only 2 supplements dropped are noteworthy, the trailer and art gallery, but still, that's pathetic. Also no HD transfers for those shorts.

Whoopee! Disney dropped the ball on this one.

Let's just hope they gave it a good transfer. Screw Disney and their bonus features. Get them all out on Blu and I won't buy a single one again. And they wonder why people are tired of the hand-wringing double-dipping.

lol, Amazon offering it for $28 with a $5 coupon brings it down to $23 for basically one movie and one feature.

Beauty and the Beast is $20 with 2 Blu discs and loads of features.

Seems like it's coming out on August 9th now.

MattDean wrote:Calm down.

I am aware that a release promoted to be widescreen does not always mean a film will be presented in its OAR. I thought 1.66.1 was TF&TH's OAR. Maybe I am mis-informed. Besides, let's wait and see what the actual presentation measures up as - promotional information is not always reliable.

'It was not filmed in CAPS and therefore was originally filmed in a 1.33:1' You cannot say this for certain! CAPS was created as an ink and paint sytem. Based on what you say any film that didn't benefit from the CAPS process must 'therefore' be 1.33:1 ...really?!

You may not be aware of this but on Disney Cinemagic HD they broadcast TF&TH every so often and although the film is not broadcast in widescreen, the opening credits are - still in the 4x3 frame with black bars top and bottom. I'd say the viewable picture displayed is roughly between 166.1-1.75.1 - but there is definitely more picture information on both sides of the picture than in any other release on DVD/video that I have seen. Perhaps this helps to suggest the releases up to now have been P&S?

With regards to Buena Vista being the 'ONLY' company that does not issue their films in the OAR: That's a sweeping statement. Are you sure they have NEVER released films in their OAR? Wrong. And other companies 'screw' it up.

Matt

Sorry, mate. I was getting frustrated about the Disney release.....not your comments.

From "101 Dalmatians" thru "The Fox and the Hound" Disney animation was done and filmed through a camera that photographed the cels and background on a full Academy Ratio negative. Often they would use 35mm Technicolor prints to distribute their films and they would instruct these prints to be matted to whatever the Original Aspect Ratio was (for Disney the most common ratio was 1.75:1).

In 1985, they released "The Black Cauldron" which was actually animated in widescreen and shot on 70mm film which was used for distribution. No matting was needed as the 70mm film itself is NOT in Academy Ratio.

For further clarification, check out the thread that AlwaysOAR has been working hard to keep up:

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=500

This lists the theatrical aspect ratios that the Disney Films were instructed to be presented at when exhibited in theatres.





Also, I don't mean to say that Disney NEVER releases their films in the OAR.....I just mean that they are the only major studio that does not always release their films in the OAR. And there is no justification for releasing them any other way, anymore, as the consumer has clearly shown through their purchase of widescreen televisions that they would prefer to see the films as originally framed.

I suppose the most frustrating thing is that if Disney is going to go to the cost of matting the film to widescreen release....why arbitrarily pick 1.66:1 when it is supposed to be seen in 1;75:1.

It would be like your doctor saying you need 10 days of treatment to clear this infection, but I think I'm just going to give you 8. How frustrating!

I sincerely hope this is a promotional error and the film is truly going to be released in its original aspect ratio of 1.75:1.....but I seriously doubt it. Unfortunately Buena Vista Home Entertainment has little integrity in the preservation and presentation of their films.


EVERYONE! Call Disney at 1-800-723-4763 and tell them you want "The Fox and the Hound" to be presented in its Original Theatrical Aspect Ratio of 1.75:1 for this new Blu Ray release!!!