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Considering the "next format" in the case of double dipping is a good idea. I tend to not do that, and I doubt I'm going to start anytime soon, ha, but it's a good idea. I would probably stop buying DVDs right now, except that they say Blue Ray runs regular DVDs too, and I have always heard that Blue Ray is the one that will takeover if anything. The move up from VHS to DVD was a big advancement, so I don't mind so much all the time and money it is taking to gradually replace my VHS tapes. BUT I'm quite satisfied with DVD. As long as I'm able to play them, I won't feel as DESPERATE to replace them with the next technology... until I can really afford to anyway.

Escapay wrote:To double-dip or not to double-dip...

Worth the upgrade based on the new transfer and the 5.1: YES

Worth the upgrade based on the extras: NO

Worth the upgrade based on the slipcover: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!

What SHOULD be on this disc, had they put in the same effort they had done for previous "lesser" titles:

- A featurette. There's got to be some material in the archives of talking heads, be it the animators during the production, or just some retrospective interviews taped for something else. I'd even settle for Leonard Maltin in front of a microphone saying "Hi, I'm Leonard Maltin! You're going to watch Disney's Animated Classic Robin Hood! (insert useless trivia for the next 30 seconds). Enjoy the movie!" Fade to black, end. A little effort is better than none at all.

- A trailer. Who am I kidding? Disney doesn't believe in trailers anymore.

BTW, Pluto Region1, you're my hero...er, heroine!

Escapay

(Well thanks Julian and Escapay for the compliments but I hate to take credit for saying something you had both pointed out or for balling someone out. Hopefully reyquila will develop some empathy for people less economically fortunate than him. So anyways.... back to the topic)

Escapay's analysis of pros/cons of buying this is much appreciated and I been thinking about Escapay's explanation about Disney's various types of restorations: I should have thought of this myself. This is a no-brainer. Obviously they calculate what type of sales they can expect to make off of re-issuing a title, vs. how much money should be spent on making the title ready for market. If they did the type of first class restoration ($$$) they have done on the Platinum series for lesser titles which don't get the same amount of sales, re-issuing these DVD titles would be a loosing financial proposition for the company. With that in mind, what type of restoration do you think would be done for this title? Probably a very cursory restoration at best. Most of you do not think this is a great title. I don't know if there's an online resource that tracks box office receipts for titles going back that far in box office history. But I would imagine that if the movie did poorly at the box office then Disney doesn't expect this to be a big seller when they re-release it, although they probably expect to pick up some sales from newcomers who never have seen the film at all. (However, based on the profit theory, one would assume that Disney thinks this will sell better than some of the titles that you guys are complaining about that they promised but have never released). Therefore, based on the idea of needing to turn a profit, there will be minimal, if any, restoration. However, on the other hand, since it is a newer title, it probably won't require the capital outlay to restore it vs. something like Bambi required in terms of cost, so you could end up with a top notch restoration for this based on it needing a lot less work and therefore less cost to do it.

I agree on the featurettes - since watching my copy of SW for 8+ hours, I fell for the documentaries hook, line and sinker and find them to be the most "worth it" of all the features that Disney puts on its DVD releases. And you wonder - its got to be cheaper to put together a feature based on some old clips or interviewing some animators or other participants, than say developing a new game to put on there. Since this is a lesser known title, I also think there'd be a lot of interest in having a feature that covers what the studio was like at the time this was released etc. However, in terms of features, they are looking at who is their primary market for the DVD - little kids don't watch documentaries. How much interest in this title is there going to be from adult-aged Disney fans and therefore should they bother putting a documentary in the DVD?

slave2moonlight wrote:Considering the "next format" in the case of double dipping is a good idea. I tend to not do that, and I doubt I'm going to start anytime soon, ha, but it's a good idea. I would probably stop buying DVDs right now, except that they say Blue Ray runs regular DVDs too, and I have always heard that Blue Ray is the one that will takeover if anything.

This is sort of off-topic but what the heck. The obvious assumption is that once Disney starts converting over to Blue-Ray, Disney will just start all over again in chronological order with the Platinum series. My husband (the techno geek) seems to think otherwise. He thinks Disney will not put their biggest sellers out on that format at first because of the big lag-time to get people to adopt a format - if no one is running out and buying the players they will not buy the titles in the new format and therefore Disney will not want to risk putting SW out on Blue-Ray off the bat. But then again, what they could do is just not put SW, Pinocchio etc. back in the vault so soon and give them a longer time out on the market in the new format and therefore continue in chronological order. How long has SW, Pinocchio etc been OOP - a very long time. My theory is they will put SW, Pinocchio etc. (their biggest titles and extremely bootlegged due to high demand) out first on the new format as "a carrot" to get people to adopt. I would suspect that it will be a long time before lesser titles, like the one being discussed in this thread, will be put out on Blue-Ray.

I agree with you totally Pluto Region1.
I think the next time we will see SW on a Disc will be a BlueRay, but not on DVD. We will have Pinocchio on DVD though, since it was added to the PE, but it might be released in BlueRay at the same time and then disappear again for about 7-8 years.

slave2moonlight wrote:Considering the "next format" in the case of double dipping is a good idea. I tend to not do that, and I doubt I'm going to start anytime soon, ha, but it's a good idea. I would probably stop buying DVDs right now, except that they say Blue Ray runs regular DVDs too, and I have always heard that Blue Ray is the one that will takeover if anything. The move up from VHS to DVD was a big advancement, so I don't mind so much all the time and money it is taking to gradually replace my VHS tapes. BUT I'm quite satisfied with DVD. As long as I'm able to play them, I won't feel as DESPERATE to replace them with the next technology... until I can really afford to anyway.

Honestly we do not know for sure which format WILL win for High def. I base my choices on the features offered.

I'd go with Blu-Ray also. The edge it has on HD is that it is backwards compatible. So a Blu-Ray DVD player will play your current DVDs.

James

JamesDFarrow wrote:I'd go with Blu-Ray also. The edge it has on HD is that it is backwards compatible. So a Blu-Ray DVD player will play your current DVDs.

James

Yeah, that's the main reason I'm backing Blu-Ray, ha. I really don't want to have to replace everything or have an extra machine just to be able to watch my current collection, which is way too big for constantly replacing! AND, even after getting rid of half my VHS collection, I still have TOO many of those, too.

I think probably a lot of people aren't looking forward to having to replace all their DVDs after having to go through that once already from VHS. That's definitely going to help Blu Ray. But, really, I've been hearing Blu Ray was going to be the successful one for a LOOONG time already.

slave2moonlight wrote:

JamesDFarrow wrote:I'd go with Blu-Ray also. The edge it has on HD is that it is backwards compatible. So a Blu-Ray DVD player will play your current DVDs.

James

Yeah, that's the main reason I'm backing Blu-Ray, ha. I really don't want to have to replace everything or have an extra machine just to be able to watch my current collection, which is way too big for constantly replacing! AND, even after getting rid of half my VHS collection, I still have TOO many of those, too.

I think probably a lot of people aren't looking forward to having to replace all their DVDs after having to go through that once already from VHS. That's definitely going to help Blu Ray. But, really, I've been hearing Blu Ray was going to be the successful one for a LOOONG time already.

I'm definitely not looking forward to Blu-Ray and HD DVD's. I just got into the swing of collecting DVD's, and now here comes a new format. I really don't want to start collecting again...

Dottie wrote:I agree with you totally Pluto Region1.
I think the next time we will see SW on a Disc will be a BlueRay, but not on DVD. We will have Pinocchio on DVD though, since it was added to the PE, but it might be released in BlueRay at the same time and then disappear again for about 7-8 years.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot, good point Dottie! (Now that this topic has gotten totally highjacked.... ), we can't be sure that Disney WILL finish out the Platinum series on DVD - they've made no public announcement that all Platinums will be released on DVD, have they? It's totally possible they could switch over to Blue-Ray (or HD, whichever wins out) in the middle of the Platinum series release schedule.

But back to THIS topic, what do you guys think of my theory about lesser titles getting a not-so-up-to-snuff restoration? (I suppose it WAS a no-brainer, but we were openly speculating on the quality of restoration this title might get and I think my theory pretty much seals the nail in the coffin that Disney will not do a Platinum-series style super expensive restoration on lesser titles due to the financial considerations)

Pluto Region1 wrote:

Dottie wrote:I agree with you totally Pluto Region1.
I think the next time we will see SW on a Disc will be a BlueRay, but not on DVD. We will have Pinocchio on DVD though, since it was added to the PE, but it might be released in BlueRay at the same time and then disappear again for about 7-8 years.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot, good point Dottie! (Now that this topic has gotten totally highjacked.... ), we can't be sure that Disney WILL finish out the Platinum series on DVD - they've made no public announcement that all Platinums will be released on DVD, have they? It's totally possible they could switch over to Blue-Ray (or HD, whichever wins out) in the middle of the Platinum series release schedule.

But back to THIS topic, what do you guys think of my theory about lesser titles getting a not-so-up-to-snuff restoration? (I suppose it WAS a no-brainer, but we were openly speculating on the quality of restoration this title might get and I think my theory pretty much seals the nail in the coffin that Disney will not do a Platinum-series style super expensive restoration on lesser titles due to the financial considerations)

Until the market is somewhat saturated with blu-ray, hd, etc, expect Disney et all to keep releasing films on dvd. There is too much money to make on the current format. Now a PURE re-iussue with all the same features might be hd/blu-ray exclusive but even that is unlikely right now.

What I've heard speculated is that years down the road, there may be players that will accommodate both formats and dvd. Although when players get as cheap as dvd is now, it will be a moot point.

I thought blu-ray would be the standard very quickly, but so far sony has had several problems out of the gate (including price) and toshiba with hddvd has been pretty good so far. Way too soon to know what might be the standard.

Will be interesting.

for 15 million dollors it could have come out alot better But i still will buy it i like it for the movie it is not the one it could have been but could it have been better

Pluto Region1 wrote:

Dottie wrote:I agree with you totally Pluto Region1.
I think the next time we will see SW on a Disc will be a BlueRay, but not on DVD. We will have Pinocchio on DVD though, since it was added to the PE, but it might be released in BlueRay at the same time and then disappear again for about 7-8 years.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot, good point Dottie! (Now that this topic has gotten totally highjacked.... ), we can't be sure that Disney WILL finish out the Platinum series on DVD - they've made no public announcement that all Platinums will be released on DVD, have they? It's totally possible they could switch over to Blue-Ray (or HD, whichever wins out) in the middle of the Platinum series release schedule.

But back to THIS topic, what do you guys think of my theory about lesser titles getting a not-so-up-to-snuff restoration? (I suppose it WAS a no-brainer, but we were openly speculating on the quality of restoration this title might get and I think my theory pretty much seals the nail in the coffin that Disney will not do a Platinum-series style super expensive restoration on lesser titles due to the financial considerations)

sorry for the double post

imo cause iam stupid

how can they not they are bringing so much money right now with Pirates crossing 1 billion and cars now opening in some Eupropean countries if they dont do anything special with this with HD-DVD(iam predicting it will win like Beta-max and VHS VHS was cheaper) ill be mad a Disney for awhile considering this is a childhood memory i can almost 100% remember

Months ago I got the impression (from people who "should know") that the "format war" was over before it even started. I'm "sitting on the fence" and I'll stay there for a while...

Lars Vermundsberget wrote: Are you sure there are that many people who actually dislike or even hate Robin Hood?

Perhaps hate was too strong a word but there's definitely a sneering dislike for this movie from some on this thread.

Thanks to lighthousemike, I've compared the screencaps for the MWE trailer on the TLM:PE disc with screencaps from the Gold Collection. And I'm REALLY hoping that the images in the trailer do not represent the final product and was taken from an inferior source. Then again, my screencapping program/technique is probably different from his, which could explain differences:






Escapay

haha that's funny. Both versions seem to have pros and cons. But I can for sure tell you that the video they use in those cruddy trailers, even the "See the Restored VS Old" clips, aren't from the actual restored transfer. It's all just fancy graphics... Like those live "simulated" side by side comparisons of DVD VS HD-DVD. Fake.

slave2moonlight wrote:

JamesDFarrow wrote:I'd go with Blu-Ray also. The edge it has on HD is that it is backwards compatible. So a Blu-Ray DVD player will play your current DVDs.

James

Yeah, that's the main reason I'm backing Blu-Ray, ha. I really don't want to have to replace everything or have an extra machine just to be able to watch my current collection, which is way too big for constantly replacing! AND, even after getting rid of half my VHS collection, I still have TOO many of those, too.

I think probably a lot of people aren't looking forward to having to replace all their DVDs after having to go through that once already from VHS. That's definitely going to help Blu Ray. But, really, I've been hearing Blu Ray was going to be the successful one for a LOOONG time already.

HD-DVD also plays DVDs and upconverts them to 1080i, and soon 1080p with the Gen 2 players that will be out in Oct. It will be a long time before either format replaces DVDs if they do.

I still don't have Robin Hood so I'll probably pickup this new edition sometime. I don't remember the last time I actually watched this. Its been awhile to say the least.

I just made a significant discovery! According to www.disneydvd.com, Robin Hood will be released in 1.75:1. I believe this is the matted ratio that was presented in theatres at the time of release. This is wonderful news, in my opinion. It also might have big implications on the ratio we will see 101 Dalmatians and Jungle Book released in. Disney has been known to make errors on their descriptions of their DVDs before so we will have to wait until Luke has the DVD in hand to be sure of the ratio of the film.

MichaeLeah wrote:I just made a significant discovery! According to www.disneydvd.com, Robin Hood will be released in 1.75:1. I believe this is the matted ratio that was presented in theatres at the time of release. This is wonderful news, in my opinion. It also might have big implications on the ratio we will see 101 Dalmatians and Jungle Book released in. Disney has been known to make errors on their descriptions of their DVDs before so we will have to wait until Luke has the DVD in hand to be sure of the ratio of the film.

This is TRUE!!! http://disneyvideos.disney.go.com/movie ... 41203.html

This could be interesting! I've only ever seen it in fullscreen. Will we get less picture (like p&s), or just only be missing a few percentage?

Aspect ratios explained here http://www.ultimatedisney.com/oar.htm

Thank god this will make this re-release so much better...I understand they were made in fullscreen but I sometimes cant stand it! I love WIDESCREEN!!