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Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:59 pm
by castleinthesky
Prince Eric wrote:castleinthesky wrote:
Yes, but do you know how many people have won multiple Oscars? Tim Burton has won Oscars, and so has Wallace and Gromit. So literally they all should have an equal chance to win. Not to which category they are in. Miyazaki never won an award, Spirited Away did. Until I see Miyazaki win best director, he hasn't won an award. Howl's has never won.
Tim Burton has never won an Oscar. In fact, he has never been nominated.
The award for Best Animated Feature goes to the director, so yes, Hayao Miyazaki actually has a trophy with his name on it. His name is listed under the award in the database as well.
There have only been four people to win in this category, and Nick Park isn't one of them. Rest assured, this will be his time. Howl's Moving Castle may not even get nominated, that's what I'm trying to say, so Nick can rest easy now.
I'm an Oscar watcher, meaning I hunt down all the FYC posters and Acadamy reactions from screenings on the internet. Yes, voters loved Howl's Moving Castle back in May, but all their love has gone to the clay. Everyone knows campaigs have a mind of their own and sometimes count more than the actual movie. Do you actually think Disney is going to spend millions into Howl's Moving Castle when they could do it for their own movie, Chicken Little?
Sorry I meant to say that some of Burton's movies have won awards.
If Howl's isn't nominated then I will be very pissed off. In my opinion it is the best animated film of the year, lightyears ahead of Corpse Bride, Robots, Madagascar, and Steamboy. Havn't seen Chicken Little yet, so I won't judge it. Wallace and Gromit was good, but it is not worthy for Best animated feature. I could care less in Nick Park hasn't won an award yet, big deal. The award needs to go to the best movie.
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:45 pm
by Prince Eric
castleinthesky wrote:Prince Eric wrote:
If Howl's isn't nominated then I will be very pissed off. In my opinion it is the best animated film of the year, lightyears ahead of Corpse Bride, Robots, Madagascar, and Steamboy. Havn't seen Chicken Little yet, so I won't judge it. Wallace and Gromit was good, but it is not worthy for Best animated feature. I could care less in Nick Park hasn't won an award yet, big deal. The award needs to go to the best movie.
Well, I hate to say it, but you're in the minority opinion, there. Don't get me wrong, I love Hayao Miyazaki, but this is just not his year. The only people who will vote for Howl are the people who are biased and automatically believe everything he does is the best of that year. Critics and the industry (and apparantly audiences) agree that Wallace and Gromit is the better movie. The Corpse Bride isn't perfect, but it's on par with Howl's Moving Castle. This is a really good year for animation, with five potential candidates competing for three slots. Howl's Moving Castle did not get the " instant masterpiece" reviews that Spirited Away got, was released way before Oscar season, and grossed lower than expected. Also, there is not a single FYC (For Your Consideration) ad floating around New York City of Los Angeles. What does that tell you? Disney is screwing with numbers. They want Chicken Little to be the one voters remember.
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 4:15 pm
by castleinthesky
Prince Eric wrote:castleinthesky wrote:
Well, I hate to say it, but you're in the minority opinion, there. Don't get me wrong, I love Hayao Miyazaki, but this is just not his year. The only people who will vote for Howl are the people who are biased and automatically believe everything he does is the best of that year. Critics and the industry (and apparantly audiences) agree that Wallace and Gromit is the better movie. The Corpse Bride isn't perfect, but it's on par with Howl's Moving Castle. This is a really good year for animation, with five potential candidates competing for three slots. Howl's Moving Castle did not get the " instant masterpiece" reviews that Spirited Away got, was released way before Oscar season, and grossed lower than expected. Also, there is not a single FYC (For Your Consideration) ad floating around New York City of Los Angeles. What does that tell you? Disney is screwing with numbers. They want Chicken Little to be the one voters remember.
I personally found Howl's better. I love Ghibli movies, but there are some I don't think arn't that great(e.g. The Cat Returns, the Yamadas, Grave of the Fireflies). But I personally think Howl's was the best. Too many people have compared it to Spirited Away. It is not its sequel!
Unlike Gromit, the movie is entirely imaginative. Gromit copied stuff, such as King Kong, etc. Also the "hidden" parts of the movie I didn't find too apropriate.
I put Howl's on the same level as Wallace and Gromit. Hopefully the Academy will see that Howl's is either the best or second best and gives it a nomination, not stupid Chicken Little.
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 5:29 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
castleinthesky wrote: Unlike Gromit, the movie is entirely imaginative. Gromit copied stuff, such as King Kong, etc. Also the "hidden" parts of the movie I didn't find too apropriate.
I put Howl's on the same level as Wallace and Gromit. Hopefully the Academy will see that Howl's is either the best or second best and gives it a nomination, not stupid Chicken Little.
Actually W&G didn't borrow elements from King Kong, it was more of a gag on King Kong. Also I thought it was one of the most original ideas to come in the past 5 years.
I haven't seen Howl, but I doubt it's really all that "original" since there is no such thing that is 100% original anymore.
As for the nominations I think it'll look like this: Madagascar, Howl's, Corpse Bride, W&G and Chicken Little.
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:27 pm
by castleinthesky
I have a question. I have heard that Best Animated Feature is not judged by the majority of the category, but by a group that understands and knows the medium. Am I correct?
Posted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:08 pm
by Prince Eric
Castle - That is correct. That explains why Spirited Away won. I doubt the majority of Academy members would have seen it to vote for it. This category's exclusive membership is why I have agreed with the outcome 4/4. In terms of originality, Howl's Moving Castle was ADAPTED. Wallace and Gromit SPOOFED, which inherently is an original idea. Not that one is better than the other, but you can't say one was more original than the other. No one, including me, is comparing this movie to Spirited Away. On it's own merits, it's just not the masterpiece Spirited Away was. Too problematic. That's not a comparison. That's based on a personal scale.
Timon/Pumba Fan - The issue right now is whether or not Howl's Moving Castle will be nominated. There will not be five nominees this year. Though the quality of movies have gone up, the total number has shrunken a bit, so there will only be three.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:36 am
by ichabod
castleinthesky wrote:The award needs to go to the best movie.
If only that's how award ceremonies worked though!
*cough* Giant corporate scam *cough*
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:48 am
by Kenai
castle- O_o You didn't like The Cat Returns? Wow. I loved it. It was a charming little flick.
I still need to see Grave of the Fireflies. I wish Disney would've gotten the rights to it.
And btw, I wouldn't call Chicken Little stupid. The movie hasn't come out just yet. Don't knock it. What makes you think it's dumb anyways?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:32 pm
by castleinthesky
Kenai wrote:castle- O_o You didn't like The Cat Returns? Wow. I loved it. It was a charming little flick.
I still need to see Grave of the Fireflies. I wish Disney would've gotten the rights to it.
I didn't dislike The Cat Returns, but it is no where near the level of any other Ghibli movies, except the Yamdas which is horrible even compared to The Cat Returns. Grave of the Fireflies is just too sad for me, so I don't like it too much.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:43 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
ichabod wrote:castleinthesky wrote:The award needs to go to the best movie.
If only that's how award ceremonies worked though!
Is somebody still pissed Home on the Range didn't get nominated?
Prince Eric wrote:
Timon/Pumba Fan - The issue right now is whether or not Howl's Moving Castle will be nominated. There will not be five nominees this year. Though the quality of movies have gone up, the total number has shrunken a bit, so there will only be three.
I don't see why they have to only nominate 3. I mean there were 5 nominations in the 2002 oscars, so why does there have to be only 3?
Oh well, I'm predicting: Corpse Bride, W&G and Chicken Little.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:04 pm
by Prince Eric
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
Prince Eric wrote:
Timon/Pumba Fan - The issue right now is whether or not Howl's Moving Castle will be nominated. There will not be five nominees this year. Though the quality of movies have gone up, the total number has shrunken a bit, so there will only be three.
I don't see why they have to only nominate 3. I mean there werre 5 nominations in the 2002 oscars, so why does there have to be only 5.
Oh well, I'm predicting: Corpse Bride, W&G and Chicken Little.
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According to Academy rules, 15 animated features must be released during a given year for five nominations. According to cartoonreasearch.com, that is not the case and won't be happening this year.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:41 pm
by Kenai
castleinthesky wrote:Kenai wrote:castle- O_o You didn't like The Cat Returns? Wow. I loved it. It was a charming little flick.
I still need to see Grave of the Fireflies. I wish Disney would've gotten the rights to it.
I didn't dislike The Cat Returns, but it is no where near the level of any other Ghibli movies, except the Yamdas which is horrible even compared to The Cat Returns. Grave of the Fireflies is just too sad for me, so I don't like it too much.
Yeah I've heard it's sad.
As for the Cat Returns quality thing, I think it's because it wasn't done by Miyazaki himself (although he helped produce). It was done by a whole new batch of animators and stuff too, right?
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:53 pm
by Enchantress
I loved The Cat Returns, more than Grave of the Fireflies actually, i don't know why, i just found it really entertaining. I loved the animation in it certainly one of my favourite Ghibli movies, just broke from the mold.
Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:09 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
Prince Eric wrote:
According to Academy rules, 15 animated features must be released during a given year for five nominations. According to cartoonreasearch.com, that is not the case and won't be happening this year.
Ah, thank you Prince Eric!
Now that I know there can only be 3 nominations, I don't think Howl will get a nomination. While yes, the critics liked it, however I think the Oscars have been ignoring critics for this category(I'm referring to last year's disgrace, by nominating the unwatchable SharkTale when they could've nominated The Polar Express, Home on the Range or even Sponge Bob because all these films got better reviews than SharkTale!) And since I'm now am getting a strong feeling Chicken Little is going to do well, I think Howl's chances are unlikely!
Corpse Bride exhibition - The CornerHouse, Manchester
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:57 am
by Enchantress
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:31 pm
by Wonderlicious
Do you have to pay to get in at all or is it free? I'm going to Manchester this weekend with some people who've never been there before (they don't come from the North West, of course), so I was wondering about us seeing this, as it would be really cool to see these models up close and in the flesh (or would that be "in the clay"?
).
Oh, and your pics aren't bad at all. Don't put yourself down!
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:35 pm
by Enchantress
Wonderlicious wrote:Do you have to pay to get in at all or is it free? I'm going to Manchester this weekend with some people who've never been there before (they don't come from the North West, of course), so I was wondering about us seeing this, as it would be really cool to see these models up close and in the flesh (or would that be "in the clay"?
).
Oh, and your pics aren't bad at all. Don't put yourself down!
It's totally free!
, they're really amazing to see up close, and they were alot bigger than i first expected them to be, but, before 1:30 you can only see some of the figures and sketches, so its better to go just after so you can see them all.
It's certainly worth a look! But beware....it gives you an urge to go see the movie again
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:14 pm
by Robin Hood
DVD Cover art:
Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:06 pm
by yankees
Okay Cover... Unlike Charlie and the Choclate Factory there werent that many posters for the film
Also the Disc will be released january 31
^ In my opinion they could have the movie out before Christmas because its bassically out of every theater.. but they probblay releasing it then because of the oscars
for more info chck out this wensite
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0 ... &n=1&burl=
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:14 pm
by lord-of-sith
Not to surprised by what's on the cover, but it's still cool. There seems to be a good amount of special features on the DVD, I'll be getting it.
