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reee9948 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pm That's what happens when you hire a pop songwriter to write songs for a Disney movie rather than hire a Broadway song writer.

Yeah, those were my initial thoughts too! I was hoping it wouldn't get any poppier than "This Wish" but here we are lol

reee9948 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 4:24 pm New Japanese trailer has some new content. We see some more of Maginfico's villanous side here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qinYBCALnvE

I have to say that's my favorite trailer so far. It shows the film has some stakes, which so far I thought it was lacking. I suspected Magnifico would probably use the magic orbs for himself to have more power or something, but I hadn't realized that would mean some people would lose their dreams forever. That's an interesting plot twist.

Mooky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:23 pm Thank you both for posting and re-posting.

Is that snippet supposed to be on a loop? Or do they really repeat the same line four times?

Yes, thank you both!

If you notice, the last time he repeats it he sings it a bit differently, so I think they do repeat it four times. I didn't expect the song would sound so modern. I don't know how I feel about it either; we'll see how the full song is.

jxwarren wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:15 pm

reee9948 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 5:41 pm Preview of the song "This is the Thanks I get?"
https://twitter.com/DisneyHits/status/1 ... 1032972779

I'm not sure how I feel about this song, it sounds strange.

Edit: Seems like the tweet was deleted.

I saw your post and went looking for it once I realized the tweet was deleted.
Here's another link with (I'm assuming) the same preview: https://x.com/HeyCastruita/status/17166 ... 77023?s=20

And yeah... it's definitely different than I expected... it sounds like they're going for more of a "shallow King" vibe with this song than something darker. Not sure how I feel about Pine's voice this far, but I'll reserve judgement til tomorrow.

Just from the snippet alone this is a strange style of music for a villain song. But then again, I remember when people were thrown for a huge loop when they heard "Shiny" for the first time. But I do like "Shiny" as a song, so who knows maybe when the full song is released, I'll have a better sense of judgement.

reee9948 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pm That's what happens when you hire a pop songwriter to write songs for a Disney movie rather than hire a Broadway song writer.

This is what I’ve been worried about… idk, I’m trying to not pass judgment until I hear everything. And to be fair— this is only a small snippet of the song! And it was probably removed from X for a reason… But all the elements from this movie are still not landing right with me. :/ The only thing I really like so far is Star, but also Star kinda looks like it’s from a totally different movie from everything else?? I sound like a negative nelly, I know… but I’m finding it hard to muster excitement for this one.

I think the biggest thing I miss in Disney movies is romance. I wish they would make a movie like BATB or Aladdin again where they develop a strong romance but not necessarily in the context of a roadtrip movie (ala Tangled and Frozen).

Musical Master wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:50 pm Just from the snippet alone this is a strange style of music for a villain song. But then again, I remember when people were thrown for a huge loop when they heard "Shiny" for the first time. But I do like "Shiny" as a song, so who knows maybe when the full song is released, I'll have a better sense of judgement.

That’s a good point, I really like “Shiny” but often forget about it in the context of Disney villain songs. Probably because Tamatoa is not the primary villain of the film, mainly just one in a chain of antagonists. I always thought that was very un-Disney, but reflecting on it, that’s essentially the same structure as Pinocchio.

The Japanese trailer was amazing! Again, I do hope we get a third trailer like that in the coming weeks.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:57 amIt's a nice trailer, and I am intrigued by the movie. But damn... that final shot of her... stolen from Pocahontas? And it's amazing how fast the wind kicked up hahahaha.

I hated the segment where the camera does a 360°around Asha at the end of the song. Asha's exaggerated animation coupled with the over-the-top camera move makes that part feel insincere and performative.

Marce82 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:57 amSo I have listened to that The Wish song a bunch of times... and I don't know if I have ever both love and hated a song at the same time like this.

The melody's pleasant enough, but that's the problem. It lacks the catchiness and the oomph the signature song for the lead in a Disney musical needs. The lyrics are even worse. They're so generic and non-descript it makes the song come off as a parody of a Disney 'I Want' song.

reee9948 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:21 pmThat's what happens when you hire a pop songwriter to write songs for a Disney movie rather than hire a Broadway song writer.

I was genuinely shocked listening to the snippet. The song sounds like something straight out of High School Musical.

D82 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:46 pmI have to say that's my favorite trailer so far. It shows the film has some stakes, which so far I thought it was lacking.

It's hand down the best trailer yet. The Japanese have done it again.

D82 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:46 pmI suspected Magnifico would probably use the magic orbs for himself to have more power or something, but I hadn't realized that would mean some people would lose their dreams forever. That's an interesting plot twist.

It certainly makes him being a villain more earned, but it doesn't change that fact he was driven to that by Asha's unreasonable actions. He's not wrong in his desire to only grant the wishes that are safe and benefit the kingdom. Granting everyone's wishes, including vague and unpredictable ones or selfish and immoral ones, would have led to chaos and destruction. I understand wanting him to have the arc of someone who starts with good intentions and eventually descends into madness, but he needed to have done something more morally reprehensible to warrant Asha's wish. Up to that point he doesn't, and the impetus for the film and Asha's journey does not seem justified.

Hey Storiris.

I do think the melody OF THE CHORUS is catchy... but I 100% agree with what you said about the lyrics!!!

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:22 pm

D82 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 6:46 pmI suspected Magnifico would probably use the magic orbs for himself to have more power or something, but I hadn't realized that would mean some people would lose their dreams forever. That's an interesting plot twist.

It certainly makes him being a villain more earned, but it doesn't change that fact he was driven to that by Asha's unreasonable actions. He's not wrong in his desire to only grant the wishes that are safe and benefit the kingdom. Granting everyone's wishes, including vague and unpredictable ones or selfish and immoral ones, would have led to chaos and destruction. I understand wanting him to have the arc of someone who starts with good intentions and eventually descends into madness, but he needed to have done something more morally reprehensible to warrant Asha's wish. Up to that point he doesn't, and the impetus for the film and Asha's journey does not seem justified.

That would all be okay if he was shown going the dark path reluctantly convinced he was doing the right thing. However, he's shown basking in his villainy and enjoying his powers which doesn't really mesh with how he's initially presented. Going from being cautious about which wishes should be fulfilled to a full-on villain in what will probably be 30 minutes seems like a 180 for the character. They wanted to have a classic Disney villain but also couldn't resist giving him some type of a relatable backstory.

Mooky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:50 pmGoing from being cautious about which wishes should be fulfilled to a full-on villain in what will probably be 30 minutes seems like a 180 for the character.

I agree; it's just poor storytelling.

UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 7:21 pm That’s a good point, I really like “Shiny” but often forget about it in the context of Disney villain songs. Probably because Tamatoa is not the primary villain of the film, mainly just one in a chain of antagonists. I always thought that was very un-Disney, but reflecting on it, that’s essentially the same structure as Pinocchio.

Pinocchio, Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland, Lady and the Tramp, The Sword in the Stone.....

I think it was the Disney Renaissance that gave people the general idea of the "Disney Villain" and even having a romance. But Walt didn't have those in some of his films when he didn't think they were necessary. I mean if you look at his Big Five, the only one which had a "traditional" villain was Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, and only this and Bambi had romance.

Both the Disney Renaissance and the Disney Revival drove Disney into a corner where they can't really do anything creatively different otherwise it will deem the movie as "un-Disney", but I guess at least the Disney Renaissance was more creative in terms of tone, animation and design.

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:24 amI think it was the Disney Renaissance that gave people the general idea of the "Disney Villain" and even having a romance. But Walt didn't have those in some of his films when he didn't think they were necessary.

It depended on what he was adapting. He wouldn't force romance or villains on stories they weren't included to begin with. But Walt was generally big on romance and traditional villains. That wasn't a Renaissance thing. Most of the films Disney makes nowadays are original stories and the decision not to include romance or villains is not based on the source material or the genre, but on things like social advocacy and storytelling trends. If there's one movie that should have included romance for example, it's Wish given it's supposed to feature the quintessential elements of a Disney fairytale. They didn't for political reasons.

Farerb wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:24 amBoth the Disney Renaissance and the Disney Revival drove Disney into a corner where they can't really do anything creatively different otherwise it will deem the movie as "un-Disney", but I guess at least the Disney Renaissance was more creative in terms of tone, animation and design.

I suppose it depends on what you consider "creatively different". Disney often tries to shake things up and break somewhat from the formula of the current era, but it's usually not well received.

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syqFr82eM3Q

How was that video posted only 40-50 minutes ago but there are already comments on it that are a day old? Is there some shady tactic to ramp up views and comments?

Anyway, back to the song. It's not my idea of how a villain song should sound and the chorus is repetitive, but maybe I'll like it better when I hear it in full. It probably works within the context of the movie.

The full song:
https://twitter.com/MarcosVindsy/status ... DcoCg&s=19

Mooky wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:50 pm Going from being cautious about which wishes should be fulfilled to a full-on villain in what will probably be 30 minutes seems like a 180 for the character.

I feel like if you give a passing thought to how quickly someone like Elsa goes through her character arc, which in real life would take years of concentrated effort to unpack, then creating a believable internal journey for someone like Magnifico looks less daunting. Storytelling in general, and animation especially, traffic heavily in symbolism and hyperbole and imparting a lot in only a few storybeats. I think it's well within Disney's capability to create a compelling journey for Magnifico. Whether or not they actually pull it off remains to be seen.

Anyway, I actually thought that "This is the Thanks I Get" had a more interesting set of lyrics than "This Wish," which is promising. I was expecting the song to be more in the vein of "Be Prepared" or something, but I enjoyed the song as its own article.

After listening to the full song, I actually like it. Honestly, it's a much better villain song than "Mother Knows Best"; which has always bored me personally both in and out of context. The moment at the end of the song where King Magnifico's frustration finally erupts into a primal yell is honestly very bone-chilling and quite different than most of the villain songs from Disney. Not to mention that the lyrics can get very creative and fun which is a huge plus.

Sure, this song won't be everyone's cup of tea, but I think this song is fire!

The song reminds me of Yzma’s deleted song “Snuff Out the Light” from Kingdom of the Sun, mixed with Maui’s “You’re Welcome” from Moana. I might be able to like this song after multiple listens, but my first listen didn’t get me too excited for it.

I wasn't sure what to think of the preview of the song, it certainly didn't sound anything like how I imagined it would.

Listening to the full song a few times I do like it. I was hoping he would grow more frustrated as the song went on and I really like that scream at the end. The lyrics are fun and really show off Magnifico's personality. It's a bit of a bummer it's not the darker, dramatic song I was expecting but that's on me and my own expectations. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the visuals to pass final judgment on it.

Description of Asha from the Art book:

https://twitter.com/_princebambi/status ... edVuQ&s=19

Almofadinhas wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 12:08 pm I wasn't sure what to think of the preview of the song, it certainly didn't sound anything like how I imagined it would.

Listening to the full song a few times I do like it. I was hoping he would grow more frustrated as the song went on and I really like that scream at the end. The lyrics are fun and really show off Magnifico's personality. It's a bit of a bummer it's not the darker, dramatic song I was expecting but that's on me and my own expectations. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the visuals to pass final judgment on it.

From the new footage that came out today, it looks like it's going to be big and creative when it comes to the visuals.

Animation Compendia wrote: ↑Tue Oct 24, 2023 11:46 am The song reminds me of Yzma’s deleted song “Snuff Out the Light” from Kingdom of the Sun, mixed with Maui’s “You’re Welcome” from Moana.

That's a dead-on observation! It does feel like "Snuff Out the Light" and "You're Welcome" got fused into one villain song. Which makes me wonder if Julia Michaels and Benjamin Rice looked at Sting's rejected songs from the scrapped "Kingdom of the Sun" film for inspiration. It isn't true of course, but it would be so funny if it was.