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Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:07 pm
by Musical Master
DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:16 pm
Musical Master wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:57 am
I'd argue that Belle and Rapunzel are in the same position as Asha is when it comes to their stories, where they don't have an arc/plot involvement per-say, but still doesn't need one to be fine characters to watch. Wish seems to be about a battle of philosophies/ideas between Asha and King Magnifico on how wishes work and how they should be granted. Quite honestly, I find that a very interesting and engaging story to watch, you don't get Disney Animated films where the hero and the villain seems to be on the same page at first until their own certain actions put them on different paths.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Rapunzel was highly in charge of being both a catalyst and an agent to her own story. The plot revolved around her desire to get out of her prison and fulfill her wish by getting to see the device that was her calling. Belle, on the other hand, had a lesser arc, but her experience at the castle was essentially more satisfying than being in her poor, provincial life. Which called for her desire to live in an adventure. And besides, Belle essentially had an arc of her own: She came to realize that there was something good in the Beast all along, something that she didn`t realized at first.
I don't know about that; Rapunzel didn't really get things in motion until Flynn showed up when he entered the tower, which I wouldn't call that being "of her own agency". Flynn Rider was the "catalyst" who actually drove the story and changed as a character, not Rapunzel. I'd argue that the TV series does more for Rapunzel as a character who had actions that drove the story forward and had actual consequences/stakes than anything she did in the movie.
As for Belle, the whole "adventure in the great wide somewhere" could be looked at by some as a vague fill-in-the-blank character function that was the writers' way to give Belle something to hold on to, when in reality the Beast was the one who had learned, changed and grew and it actually meant something. She did indeed saw something good in the Beast, but only when he stopped being a complete jerk which he was acting like in the beginning, which I wouldn't call the best arc in the world. I'll give credit that Belle did save his life when she could've left him for dead, but that was the one moment in the whole film where she did take action in her own story (and her showing the townsfolk the Beast with the magic mirror is an honorable mention). The original fairy tale is about Belle, but the Disney version is about the Beast and there is nothing wrong with that.
Both Belle and Rapunzel are not bad characters by any means, but to me, they both feel that the writers kind of struggled with how to handle their own development and amount of agency. When there were other protagonists who had stronger writing and were very focused on in comparison to the female leads. Not everyone sees it that way, and it could be chalked up to the writers just wanting the two films be fairy tales where the story drives it before anything else, which is perfectly fine.
That's my two cents anyway.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:23 pm
by Musical Master
Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 amNot to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing.
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
Oh, I agree definitely. Not to mention that the marketing will be far better than
Strange World ever got.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:26 pm
by DisneyFan09
Musical Master wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:07 pm
DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:16 pm
Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Rapunzel was highly in charge of being both a catalyst and an agent to her own story. The plot revolved around her desire to get out of her prison and fulfill her wish by getting to see the device that was her calling. Belle, on the other hand, had a lesser arc, but her experience at the castle was essentially more satisfying than being in her poor, provincial life. Which called for her desire to live in an adventure. And besides, Belle essentially had an arc of her own: She came to realize that there was something good in the Beast all along, something that she didn`t realized at first.
I don't know about that; Rapunzel didn't really get things in motion until Flynn showed up when he entered the tower, which I wouldn't call that being "of her own agency". Flynn Rider was the "catalyst" who actually drove the story and changed as a character, not Rapunzel. I'd argue that the TV series does more for Rapunzel as a character who had actions that drove the story forward and had actual consequences/stakes than anything she did in the movie.
As for Belle, the whole "adventure in the great wide somewhere" could be looked at by some as a vague fill-in-the-blank character function that was the writers' way to give Belle something to hold on to, when in reality the Beast was the one who had learned, changed and grew and it actually meant something. She did indeed saw something good in the Beast, but only when he stopped being a complete jerk which he was acting like in the beginning, which I wouldn't call the best arc in the world. I'll give credit that Belle did save his life when she could've left him for dead, but that was the one moment in the whole film where she did take action in her own story (and her showing the townsfolk the Beast with the magic mirror is an honorable mention). The original fairy tale is about Belle, but the Disney version is about the Beast and there is nothing wrong with that.
Both Belle and Rapunzel are not bad characters by any means, but to me, they both feel that the writers kind of struggled with how to handle their own development and amount of agency. When there were other protagonists who had stronger writing and were very focused on in comparison to the female leads. Not everyone sees it that way, and it could be chalked up to the writers just wanting the two films be fairy tales where the story drives it before anything else, which is perfectly fine.
That's my two cents anyway.
Well, okay. We can agree to disagree, then.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:30 pm
by Musical Master
Yep yep!
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:35 pm
by Kyle
Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
There has only been 3 movies since then anyway. Strange world certainly isn't going to be hard to beat, but raya and encanto didn't do great at the box office either. So is it really that promising of a statement that it got the most views since frozen 2?
DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 am
Not to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing.
A part of me wants to tell the folks who say it
will bomb and/or refuse to see it, “Fine. Go ahead and don’t see it. But if it flops and when they announce another Frozen or Toy Story sequel or more live action remakes, it’s your own damn fault!
“
This isn't some charity, the onus is on them to make interesting movies and market them appropriately. I'll still see it, I try to see every new animated movie they put out, but they need to make sure their original ip engages the public, the way they used to.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pm
by DisneyJedi
Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:37 amNot to be Mr. Negative, but I’m worried that the movie will end up bombing.
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
True. Though people have been griping about the video quality, even though the YT quality on the OG post does the animation no justice. I’m personally hoping and
praying it ends up being the box office hit Disney really needs.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:31 pm
by Sotiris
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 6:03 pm
by Kyle
DisneyJedi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:48 pm
Sotiris wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:24 pm
There's no need to worry. The second Wish trailer was the most watched trailer for a WDAS since Frozen 2. That's an indication the film will perform well. Besides, after Stanger World, there's no place to go but up. Anything better than Strange World's box office results will be considered a win.
True. Though people have been griping about the video quality, even though the YT quality on the OG post does the animation no justice. I’m personally hoping and
praying it ends up being the box office hit Disney really needs.
people have seen the 4k version right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KScdJHr-O58
I do get that you lose a lot of quality in any video once the youtube compression hits it, but 4k isnt so bad, its higher bitrate. Why the official disney youtube doesn't upload in 4k, I'll never know.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:46 pm
by DisneyFan09
There was no new footage. What a bummer.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 8:20 pm
by D23ExpoVisitor25
DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:46 pm
There was no new footage. What a bummer.
Maybe there will be new footage in the special look of Wish airing on ABC this Sunday during the Disney 100 Anniversary Celebration on The Wonderful World of Disney, which includes the world broadcast premiere of Once Upon A Studio and the network premiere of Encanto.
Also, to the point of
Kyle, yes Encanto and Raya didn't do well, but that's because they had the aterisk of being dual releases on Disney+ or being in theaters for 30 days before being on Disney+.
Wish won't have that problem as it is said to maybe be in theaters for 100 (maybe 105 days, 15 weeks) before going to Blu-Ray/Digital/Disney+.
Re: Wish
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:44 pm
by sibascuenca
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Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:10 am
by UmbrellaFish
This is fan made, no? Very well done.
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:11 am
by sibascuenca
If it was made by a fan, although at the time I thought it was made by disney, I do not know if they saw the photograph where all the characters are in the entrance of the disney studios, I did not see joe and jenny of Once Upon Winter, the characters who in 2006 represented anna and kristoff in the snow queen.
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Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:43 am
by reee9948
They started pre selling tickets for Wish and the runtime shown in theaters website is an hour and 35 minutes. The Once Upon A studio short isnt't showing so I think another 10 minute short will be shown, but I'm wondering if the runtime includes the short itself. If it does then the movie itself is an hour and 25 and without credit its an hour and 15 minutes of content.
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:56 pm
by sibascuenca
something I don't understand is whether the short film is presented at the beginning or at the end of the film, it would be amazing if the short film started showing the animated characters and finally there was a sequence in a room where there was a book with the name of the wish movie opening, like the snow white book, Cinderella or the sleeping beauty at the beginning of the film, in the end asha would go out to meet the characters or the short would be at the end where Asha appears, that appears in a photograph taken by a fan, where the characters are at the entrance to Disney Studios and come out of an image or a book, all gathered waiting for the new princess disney.
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:08 pm
by reee9948
Short film usually plays before the movie starts.
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:38 pm
by sibascuenca
If I'm not bad, I think the short does not include in the time of the film, as in Encanto and the short in far from the tree that was included in theaters
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:08 pm
by reee9948
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:17 pm
by Kyle
reee9948 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:08 pm
Short film usually plays before the movie starts.
Usually? I can't think of a single instance when a short ever played after a movie.
UmbrellaFish wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:10 am
This is fan made, no? Very well done.
Seems this guy is a college grad trying to get a job in the industry, and this is part of his portfolio of sorts.
Re: Wish
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:55 pm
by Musical Master
First of all, nice to see new footage. Second, I'm hearing a new song by Asha that sounds epic, not to mention King Magnifico acting scary/threatening which is awesome! All this is making me wonder if there's a third trailer coming this month.