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CampbellzSoup wrote:

MinnieMe wrote: They aren't considered Disney Animated Classics because they are 1) Disney AND Pixar, 2) not entirely animated in the true sense of the word and 3) aren't classic at all.

I agree that I don't like the look of these films. I do enjoy the storyline of most of them (with the exception of the Incredibles... sue me) and have them in my collection... but the Incredibles was a blind buy- I thought I'd like it because it was so popular!

I definitely agree with you, Disney Live On , that these aren't as great as the animated classics, but I do think a lot of time and effort goes into them and some are worth owning.

Sometime people are just so uneducated....the work from the Pixar films have just as much time, and effort put into them as the Disney films. They are classics as well...I'd say Pixar films are better than any DAC after Hercules for sure. These movies are also done "from scratch".

I agree with you. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously hasn't seen a bonus feature before(at least not on any Pixar DVD).

Edit: Apparently, me and singer posted at the same time, and he thought of something much better to say. So, I'll also go with that.

CampbellzSoup wrote: Sometime people are just so uneducated....the work from the Pixar films have just as much time, and effort put into them as the Disney films. They are classics as well...I'd say Pixar films are better than any DAC after Hercules for sure. These movies are also done "from scratch".

way bring up an arguement against a comment made 3 years ago, lol.

Anyhow, I do agree with you Mike. A lot of people have a really hard time considering anything CG a classic. I just find it funny overall because a lot of the films that these same poeple love and undoubtly consider classic wouldn't have been possible without CG. I think that after a while we'll start to consider the Pixar films as classics. Not Disney Animated Classics, but classic's none the less.

littlefuzzy wrote:I don't own these, and probably won't until they get better versions/are released uncut/etc.
07. The Three Caballeros - uncut?
09. Fun and Fancy Free - uncut?

Don't worry, littlefuzzy, those two are uncut. Also, if you have multi-region capabilities and want uncut Make Mine Music or Melody Time, the R2 versions are uncut (apparently Europeans won't get as offended by hillbillies, boobs, and smoking as US folk will...).

Anyway, aside from Bolt, I've got all the DACs, including the cut/edited ones, mainly because I really enjoy the package films and wanted them in my collection. When Disney comes to their senses and re-releases them uncut, then I'll gladly buy them again (though it's doubtful they would get re-released uncut).

albert

Escapay wrote:

littlefuzzy wrote:I don't own these, and probably won't until they get better versions/are released uncut/etc.
07. The Three Caballeros - uncut?
09. Fun and Fancy Free - uncut?

Don't worry, littlefuzzy, those two are uncut. Also, if you have multi-region capabilities and want uncut Make Mine Music or Melody Time, the R2 versions are uncut (apparently Europeans won't get as offended by hillbillies, boobs, and smoking as US folk will...).

Anyway, aside from Bolt, I've got all the DACs, including the cut/edited ones, mainly because I really enjoy the package films and wanted them in my collection. When Disney comes to their senses and re-releases them uncut, then I'll gladly buy them again (though it's doubtful they would get re-released uncut).

albert

Europeans aren't as offended by anything as US people are. And to think, we're the ones who actually claim to know what's best for the world.

Eidt: and I lack Chicken Little, but is that really a DAC? It's hardly classic.

"Chicken Little" is still a DAC, regardless of how much anyone likes it. I think we're confusing "classic" movies with the Disney Animated Classics. The DACs are anything in the canon of Walt Disney Feature Animation. I like the Pixar films (except "Cars", which was terrible), I think they are certainly classic films, but they aren't part of WDFA's canon of DACs. It's that easy. I may not care for "Chicken Little", but as it was a feature-length animated movie by WDFA, it is technically a Disney Animated Classic, albeit a weak one.

Now "Dinosaur", there's my point of contention.

Was there ever a specific reason why Dinosaur was added to the cannon? It just seems like one day it was put into the line.

singerguy04 wrote:Was there ever a specific reason why Dinosaur was added to the cannon? It just seems like one day it was put into the line.

Because now that Dinosaur is in the cannon, what will be WDAS's 50th full length motion picture??....

exactly, Rapunzel.

So there I stolved the mystery. Marketing Rapunzel as Disney's 50th animated film will give it a massive boost. I mean, a musical fairytale.. no wait, THE fairytale with music by Alan Menken, as Disney's 50th film makes perfect sense.

Snow White - Got the Platinum DVD a month before it was discontinued.
Pinocchio - Just got the Platinum Blu-ray.
Fantasia - No DVD. Waiting for the Platinum Blu-ray.
Dumbo - 60th Anniversary DVD, not planning on getting the Big Top Edition.
Bambi - Don't own it... yet.
Saludos Amigos - 2-Movie Collection, would like the uncut version.
The Three Caballeros - 2-Movie Collection.
Make Mine Music - Gold Classic Collection, would like a better edition that's uncut.
Fun and Fancy Free - Gold Classic Collection, would like a better edition
Melody Time - Read Make Mine Music
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad - Read Fun and Fancy Free
Cinderella - Platinum Gift Set
Alice in Wonderland - 2-Disc Set
Peter Pan - Platinum Edition and Limited Issue (I dumbly sold our Special Edition)
Lady and the Tramp - Don't own it... yet.
Sleeping Beauty - Special Edition DVD and Platinum Blu-ray
101 Dalmatians - Platinum DVD
The Sword in the Stone - 45th Anniversary Edition DVD
The Jungle Book - Platinum DVD
The Aristocats - GCC, not planning on getting Special Edition
Robin Hood - Read The Aristocats
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - Friendship Edition DVD
The Rescuers - Might pick it up, I heard the quality sucks though.
The Fox and the Hound - 25th Anniversary Edition DVD (my sister double-dipped for this, I don't know why though)
The Black Cauldron - Don't currently own it, will probably get the upcoming Special Edition
The Great Mouse Detective - Don't currently own it, might pick it up
Oliver and Company - 20th Anniversary Edition
The Little Mermaid - Platinum DVD
The Rescuers Down Under - Don't currently own it, might pick it up
Beauty and the Beast - Platinum DVD
Aladdin - Platinum DVD (saw this on Disney Channel HD yesterday, and I'm ready for the Blu-ray release. Haha)
The Lion King - Platinum DVD
Pocahontas - Not planning on picking it up, not a big fan.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame - Don't currently own it, might pick it up.
Hercules - GCC, should have a better DVD Release
Mulan - Surprisingly don't own a DVD of this. Will pick it up soon.
Tarzan - Read Mulan.
Fantasia 2000 - I have the DVD. I'm excited about the Blu-ray.
The Emperor's New Groove - Read Mulan.
Atlantis - Not planning on picking it up.
Lilo and Stitch - Dumbly sold it during a "new Disney sucks" phase. Will probably pick up 2-Disc.
Treasure Planet - Not planning on it.
Brother Bear - Same story as L&S.
Home on the Range - Not planning on it.
Chicken Little - No planning on it.
Meet the Robinsons - Blu-ray
Bolt - Planning on getting the Blu-ray/DVD combo.

There are the ones I do and do not have. Also, I know this isn't a DAC, but

A Goofy Movie - GCC, definitely needs a new release with a Widescreen transfer. I hate fool screen.

I don't own certain movies because they don't INTEREST me at all (Emperor's New Groove for example) or they were had a ridiculous plot (Chicken Little).

Treasure Planet: Need to Buy. Actually LIKED this one.

Rescuers: If available to rent........will rent first

Same with Down Under


Fantasia: Bought before the return to the Vault a few years ago
Fantasia 2000: Will wait for next year's combo Blu Ray and see it then.


Don't own Dumbo yet......hoping for a decent release or may end up with current release.

Great Mouse Detective: Need to Buy

Hunchback: Not interested

Tarzan: Opening scenes have always upset me (you know which parts I mean)

Lilo and Stitch: Debating whether to buy this.......since I haven't entered my BOLT Blu Ray code yet and could get the "Free" Bolt plush

Black Cauldron: Not interested

Sword in the Stone: Not interested

Home on the Range: Only Rented it.....don't think I'd buy it

Aristocats: Already own GCC


I do have the double discc thing with Saludos Amigos and that other one (that double movie recent release) but not Fun and Fancy Free or Make Mine Music or Melody Time

I sort of wondered the same thing as to why "Dinosaur" was added, and debated if it was to boost "Rapunzel" to #50, but I'm not sure if that's really a legit reason. For one, Disney rarely uses numbers in advertising the movies anymore, they used to much more in the late 80s / early 90s or so (I remember trailers for "Oliver & Company" doing this). Also, if they were going to do it for any of them, I would think they'd want to create more hype for "The Princess and the Frog" and, you know, add "Victory Through Air Power" into the canon or some such...

Really, I have no idea why "Dinosaur" got knocked in. It wasn't really done by WDFA, was it? Also, it still used real backgrounds under the animation which made it seem... less worthy or something to me (somehow I can rationalize all the live-action footage in the package features, but not in "Dinosaur"). Also, wasn't "Chicken Little" marketed as being the first CGI Disney animated feature? I think a lot of it comes down down to the fact that it was added in after the fact, as opposed to something it was initially marketed as.

are the two uncut titles still available in europe? i did a search at hmv and it wasnt there.

Actually, the uncut ones are harder to find than you would think.

I know the UK R2 of Saludos Amigos is still edited... not sure if it was unedited somewhere else outside the laserdisc.

Same goes for Make Mine Music - All but the Scandanavian R2s are cut... so if you live in the UK, don't count on HMV having what you want. Not sure about Melody Time, I *think* that one was fine on the UKR2.

(I do have the unedited PAL ISO-image of MMM, though, if anyone wants a link, PM me or something)

Anyway, I don't own a bunch due to laziness/the fact that I'm only a teenager and aren't made of money, but there are a few I deliberately didn't buy.

The Jungle Book PE - I hate the stupid cropped versions, I have a copy of the Limited Issue
Aristocats and Robin Hood SE - same reason
Some of the newer titles like Home on the Range - simply because they're horrible movies and if I have to pay more than $0.01 I'm not interested.

I own most of the PEs, though, except for The Jungle Book... and I have copies of most of the other stuff (I have every movie on DVD in some form or another, just not all official from the studio)

Uh, wouldn't the Scandinavian R2 and the British R2 be identical except for alternate languages?

Mollyzkoubou wrote:Uh, wouldn't the Scandinavian R2 and the British R2 be identical except for alternate languages?

You'd think that . Sometimes there are many different versions throughout Europe. Some include a DTS track, others have an uncut version. The same thing happened with the new Pinocchio PE, UK and The Netherlands include the missing dialog, and the Scandinavian dvd/blu-ray doesn't have it.

These are the DAC's I still have to buy. Only eighteen titles, I thought there would be more of them.

6 Saludos Amigos
7 The Three Caballeros
8 Make Mine Music
9 Fun and Fancy Free
10 Melody Time
11 The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
17 One Hundred and One Dalmatians
20 The Aristocats
23 The Rescuers
27 Oliver & Company
29 The Rescuers Down Under
31 Aladdin
35 Hercules
36 Mulan
40 The Emperor's New Groove
45 Home on the Range
47 Meet the Robinsons
48 Bolt

BVHEUK insist the editing in Make Mine Music is down to a copyright issue. Which is possible, being as the sequence in question contains basically what was at the time a modern day track? After all, Disney couldn't have been expected to get the rights for the track for future home video recordings in another continent. That would require more foresight than Disney's Epcot. Perhaps the copyright law is different in Scandinavia - Norway part of Scandinavia isn't a member of the EU for example.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/musician.php?id=17568

I doubt the editing has anything to do with offending rural Americans in the UK.

Maybe a more appropiate title for this thread would be: "Which Dac's did you deliberately not buy/ do you not want in your personal collection"?

Some titles I'm not particularly interested in:

The Three caballero's. - I think it's quite boring; it's counterpart "Saludos Amigos" is a bit more entertaining, though. I have recorde that one on VHS once and that's fine with me for now.

"The Black Cauldron" - the dvd is still on sale, but I'm not buying it because I will probably not like it better now than I did years back.

Some VHS tapes I haven't replaced yet with DVD's, though they're available:

Peter Pan - never really liked the main characters, except Wendy. I've also heard that the platinum edition isn't much good either.
Fox and the Hound - nice little movie, but not a priority for owning on dvd.
The Rescuers - I might get that one actually.

The Aristocats - still don't know if I'll replace it.

Never bought:

Atlantis, the lost empire
Home on the Range
Cars

I've seen them once but don't care much for them.

And I do not own a single DTV sequel on principle.

Escapay wrote:

littlefuzzy wrote:I don't own these, and probably won't until they get better versions/are released uncut/etc.
07. The Three Caballeros - uncut?
09. Fun and Fancy Free - uncut?

Don't worry, littlefuzzy, those two are uncut. Also, if you have multi-region capabilities and want uncut Make Mine Music or Melody Time, the R2 versions are uncut (apparently Europeans won't get as offended by hillbillies, boobs, and smoking as US folk will...).

Anyway, aside from Bolt, I've got all the DACs, including the cut/edited ones, mainly because I really enjoy the package films and wanted them in my collection. When Disney comes to their senses and re-releases them uncut, then I'll gladly buy them again (though it's doubtful they would get re-released uncut).

albert

Make Mine Music and Melody Time have hillbillies, boobs and smoking?

Forgive me for asking that. I have never seen those movies, probably the only Disney animated movies I haven't seen.

I have them all. I have all the one Disc sets as well lol. I got all the Gold Classic Collection Sets. I missed out on the Limited Issues, which I am glad I did lol. OH, I got a few of them.

I have them all because I LOVE Disney Classics. some I LOVE more than others but it's the message in the movies I love the best.

DisneyJedi wrote:Make Mine Music and Melody Time have hillbillies, boobs and smoking?

Forgive me for asking that. I have never seen those movies, probably the only Disney animated movies I haven't seen.

No worries.

Anyway, regarding the hillbillies, boobs, and smoking...

The hillbillies are from Make Mine Music's deleted segment "The Martins and the Coys". It is cut out of the US DVD because of its excessive gunplay (they pretty much shoot each other to death in the first couple minutes, before descendents Henry and Grace fall in love). Also, it is quite a stereotypical portrayal of hillbillies. And we all know that stereotyping in Disney cartoons is a big no-no that must be hush-hushed and swept under the rug.

The boobs are also from Make Mine Music, this time from "All the Cats Join In". A couple shots in the short are altered so that the once-buxom teenage girl in the shower (then out of the shower and grabbing a towel) is now a flesh-coloured surfboard.

The smoking is from the "Pecos Bill" segment of Melody Time. In addition to digitally altering all shots to remove his cigarette, Disney also cut the scene where he rides a cyclone, then uses a lightning bolt to light up a cigarette.

albert

Sounds very interesting. I think I'll have to rent the film, sometime.

Also sounds like a little too much censorship is going on, but I can live with it if it's not too distracting.[/i]