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Pluto Region1 wrote:Well that makes me wonder - if they do NO restoration it is possible that this new edition could look worse than the Gold Collection, since these films deteriorate over time.... Based on this logic, one is better off getting the older GC's.

Well not really. If Disney wasn't going to splash out on a new transfer they'd just use the same one from the gold collection release. The film would have been digitised so once a digital copy exists, the quality would remain the same, so if the new release didn't have a new restoration, they'd use the current transfer and it would look exactly the same.

Perhaps Dumbo has gone unrestored for too long and irreversible deterioration has occurred. Maybe that was the best they could do with what is left of Dumbo. I know nothing about restoration of films and just thinking out loud here and throwing this out there for discussion.

Well there are different kinds of restoration, the platinum titles have all had high quality expensive restoration jobs. Whereas, from what I gather Dumbo's restoration was not done by Lowry and wasn't as painstaiking, so therefore it still looks a bit beaten up.

Although the points you raise are correct in theory. When doing a restoration job, they start with the original nitrate negative film. This deteriorates over time, depending on how well and in what conditions it has been stored. So now really is the time for Disney to make sure that the nitrates of all their films are scanned. It doesn't matter if restoration is not done on them right away, as long as the image from the nitrate negatives is recorded while it still exists.

If you check out the restoration feature on Disc 2 of Bambi it gives a simplified explanation of what restoration entails.

Wonderlicious wrote:

Disneykid wrote:And who would've thought Clarisse Starling would be one of those people?

Well, have no fear, everybody, as I've got my own back on that Clarisse...

Damn, I made a typo.

It was supposed to be Clarice Starling, not Clarisse Starling. You know, this one?

I'm loving the artwork for this DVD cover. I'll get this one for sure. Good thing I held out from getting the GC version.

I'm too lazy to surf through and look at all the pages, but will this movie be resotred somehow and what are the extras?

Escapay wrote: Damn, I made a typo. It was supposed to be Clarice Starling, not Clarisse Starling.

Funny...I knew your spelling didn't look right, but I was too lazy to go to imdb to check. Now because of my laziness, Wondy's hard work has gone to waste. Dr. Lecter is not going to be pleased...

ichabod wrote: so if the new release didn't have a new restoration, they'd use the current transfer and it would look exactly the same.

Ok thanks for clarifying, I guess I will have to crack open my Bambi disc and watch that documentary. So when they do the restoring, are you saying they go back to the nitrate and do a meticulous restoration of the nitrate film and then transfer to digital? Or they do the restoring to the digital copy?

Pluto Region1 wrote:Ok thanks for clarifying, I guess I will have to crack open my Bambi disc and watch that documentary. So when they do the restoring, are you saying they go back to the nitrate and do a meticulous restoration of the nitrate film and then transfer to digital? Or they do the restoring to the digital copy?

The second one. The condition of the nitrate film is what it is, and they simply transfer it to digital (scanning each and every frame), then doing the restoration from that. They'd do the dirt stuff first, cleaning the cell, and manually going through each frame removing specks of dirt, grain, and the like. Then, I think, they start color correction, where they often rely on the original animated cels, or the original artists coming in and saying if the colors are accurate.

Plus, they've also got dye transfer prints that they can rely on, though of course, they're not nearly as accurate as the original nitrate.

Escapay

Escapay wrote:Then, I think, they start color correction, where they often rely on the original animated cels, or the original artists coming in and saying if the colors are accurate.

Plus, they've also got dye transfer prints that they can rely on, though of course, they're not nearly as accurate as the original nitrate.

Escapay

I know from watching some of the other bonus materials documentaries (most notably Snow White) the studio had a lab that mixed custom colors. Therefore, it would be surprising if they did not have a numerical system or something for reproducing the colors for a later time, if needed? I'll have to check out the documentary when I get a chance. (I would imagine this topic has been covered more in depth in a book or two?)

I say, let your collection speaks!!! More movies, more standing!!! Less movies, more BS.

reyquila wrote:I say, let your collection speaks!!! More movies, more standing!!! Less movies, more BS.

No matter how many times you post this, I crack up.

-Aaron

AwallaceUNC wrote:

reyquila wrote:I say, let your collection speaks!!! More movies, more standing!!! Less movies, more BS.

No matter how many times you post this, I crack up.

-Aaron

I'm more than happy to be of your amusement!!! BUT, it is the truth!!! There a lot of connoisseurs here that own only two or three movies and they bark like super gods!!

reyquila wrote:

AwallaceUNC wrote:

No matter how many times you post this, I crack up.

-Aaron

I'm more than happy to be of your amusement!!! BUT, it is the truth!!! There a lot of connoisseurs here that own only two or three movies and they bark like super gods!!

Wonder who the super god is, because they're my new best friend! If it makes reyquila feel the need to spout out his tired "have it or you don't count!" mantra to justify why he needs 5 copies of every fricking animated classic, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Honestly, why bother owning them just to say you own them? Especially when the only contributions made are two sentences: "It's Disney, i'm buying!" or "I have all of them, therefore I am a true fan!". Where's the actual discussion of the movie, not the product? Where's the opinion on whether a movie is actually good or bad, and why someone would feel inclined to buy it? Buying it for the brand name is ridiculous, otherwise I'd have everything that has the words 20th Century Fox, Columbia, MGM, Disney, WB, Paramount, Universal, etc. Maybe if reyquila starts contributing to discussions other than who owns what and what's a true fan, then I can take him seriously.

Pluto Region1 wrote:I know from watching some of the other bonus materials documentaries (most notably Snow White) the studio had a lab that mixed custom colors. Therefore, it would be surprising if they did not have a numerical system or something for reproducing the colors for a later time, if needed? I'll have to check out the documentary when I get a chance. (I would imagine this topic has been covered more in depth in a book or two?)

I haven't watched the Snow White restoration documentary in awhile, so I can't comment on the mixed custom colors, but I know that if it's the same restoration team working on film after film, they've pretty much got an idea of what colors were pertinent to what time. Though, of course, they must've mixed up their colors for the Cindy DVD, as it's far too bright for me.

Stepping out of Disney studios and examing WB's Ultra-Resolution restoration process, you can see how far they've come in their restorations of early Technicolor films. Compare the U-R restoration of Singin' in the Rain to that of Gone with the Wind. SITR understandably has a very "pastel" look to it, though it's more likely due to the fact that the original camera negative was accidentally destroyed in a fire, and they had to rely in prints and dye-transfers. But when you compare it to Gone with the Wind, which had been restored a couple years later, you can see how different restorations can be. GWTW's video is AMAZING, spectacularly detailed, and looks like it was shot yesterday.

Now, going back to Disney restorations, which are either done in-house or by Lowry/DTS. It seems that only their *big* titles get the Lowry treatment, though sometimes I think they get a little overboard in their colors (just look at the too-perfect-to-be-accurate-to-its-original-1950-colors Cinderella video). I've always loved what Lowry did with Bambi, because even if the film puts me to sleep at times, I'm still amazed by the job they did with such a complicated animated film.

Looking at my Robin Hood GC DVD, the video quality is reminiscent of a Saturday morning cartoon, and I'm sure the digitally remastered version for the MW edition is done in-house by Disney, so I'm not expecting Snow White quality. But the picture itself (Robin Hood), is actually pretty good. I mean, the animation was much simpler than Bambi, or even Lady and the Tramp, so it's really a lot less to work with. The different shades of, say the trees in the forest, aren't too elaborate for a 6-month restoration effort, but at the same time, I'm confident that Disney will have some way of improving the video quality.

Escapay

Hey everyone. Just thought I'd let you know that the new Robin Hood release is up for $20.99 (30%) at amazon. This is one I'm definitely looking forward to!

Escapay wrote:Wonder who the super god is, because they're my new best friend! If it makes reyquila feel the need to spout out his tired "have it or you don't count!" mantra to justify why he needs 5 copies of every fricking animated classic, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Honestly, why bother owning them just to say you own them? Especially when the only contributions made are two sentences: "It's Disney, i'm buying!" or "I have all of them, therefore I am a true fan!". Where's the actual discussion of the movie, not the product? Where's the opinion on whether a movie is actually good or bad, and why someone would feel inclined to buy it? Buying it for the brand name is ridiculous, otherwise I'd have everything that has the words 20th Century Fox, Columbia, MGM, Disney, WB, Paramount, Universal, etc. Maybe if reyquila starts contributing to discussions other than who owns what and what's a true fan, then I can take him seriously.

Well, let me tell a little secret!!! I have a job!!! A very demanding one!! I am an successful management labor law attorney with a fulfilling life and family!! While you lucubrating on not buying this or that because it does not fulfill your masterful expectations, I'm living my life and making the money to buy all of Disnet animated DVD's and then I get to see them and believe me I've seen every Disney animated feature with my kids, and watch then anytime I want to. (That's is possible because I own them). If you want to discuss this transfer or these features you are more than welcome because I'll read it and certainly learn from you or anyone with more knowledge than me, but I'll buy it regardless of any of your master comments.

PS. You cannot argue against success!!!

The front page has just been updated with a link to Amazon's 30% off pre-order for Robin Hood: Most Wanted Edition. Remember to support UD when ordering through Amazon by using these links.

-Aaron

reyquila wrote:Well, let me tell a little secret!!! I have a job!!! A very demanding one!! I am an successful management labor law attorney with a fulfilling life and family!! While you lucubrating on not buying this or that because it does not fulfill your masterful expectations, I'm living my life and making the money to buy all of Disnet animated DVD's and then I get to see them and believe me I've seen every Disney animated feature with my kids, and watch then anytime I want to. (That's is possible because I own them). If you want to discuss this transfer or these features you are more than welcome because I'll read it and certainly learn from you or anyone with more knowledge than me, but I'll buy it regardless of any of your master comments.

PS. You cannot argue against success!!!

Reyquila, calm down! Escapay meant no harm. He was just expressing his opinion as to the difference between well-thought-out-posting and spamming for mindless reasons.

Your reply here almost felt immature and childish for an adult, and this is coming from a 17-year old. To get back on topic, I think the your theory of "if you don't own everything than you aren't a real fan" is not well thought out. I'm sure a lot of people don't own everything. I don't own all the Disney animated classics. I only have about 20, and they are the only DVDs I possess. I wish I owned them all, but I can't afford it.

What can I say? Think more before you post.

I always thought amazon's pre-order price was supposed to be way under what normal stores would be. When "Robin Hood" is released, don't you think it'll be available at Wal Mart or Best Buy for more around $17? $21 seems like alot for a single disc release of an old Disney film that, even though it's one of my favorites, isn't extremely popular.

Julian Carter wrote:

reyquila wrote:Well, let me tell a little secret!!! I have a job!!! A very demanding one!! I am an successful management labor law attorney with a fulfilling life and family!! While you lucubrating on not buying this or that because it does not fulfill your masterful expectations, I'm living my life and making the money to buy all of Disnet animated DVD's and then I get to see them and believe me I've seen every Disney animated feature with my kids, and watch then anytime I want to. (That's is possible because I own them). If you want to discuss this transfer or these features you are more than welcome because I'll read it and certainly learn from you or anyone with more knowledge than me, but I'll buy it regardless of any of your master comments.

PS. You cannot argue against success!!!

Reyquila, calm down! Escapay meant no harm. He was just expressing his opinion as to the difference between well-thought-out-posting and spamming for mindless reasons.

EXACTLY.

Escapay

Who is the judge of posting?? Who tells the difference in quality of posts? That's very subjective!!

I own the movies and get the watch them. That's objective!!!

reyquila wrote:I'm living my life and making the money to buy all of Disnet animated DVD's.

A rich man once asked another what was the secret to true happiness. The other man said, "Sell most of your possessions, keep only what you need to live. Take most of the money you make and give it to the poor, and lead a very simple life. That, my friend, is true happiness." The rich man went off, confused, and somewhat betrayed. He had a lot of possessions, he could not think to part with any of them. But, he did as he was advised, and sold most of what he had. Though he had to work hard to keep a basic living, he realized that the little things he had now were of greater value to him than the many he had before. He finally understood what the other man meant. It doesn't matter how much or how little you have, it's how you value them that ultimately counts.

Escapay

reyquila wrote:Who is the judge of posting??

Nobody's a "judge" of posting, but some people like to think that they can judge a poster based on the size of their DVD collection.

reyquila wrote:Who tells the difference in quality of posts? That's very subjective!!

It's easy to see a difference in quality of posts. There are people like Lars who read up on Disney and is well-versed in discussing animation, and he doesn't make a big deal out of what he owns and doesn't own.

Then there are those who feel the only contribution they can make is announcing every week that they have all the Disney animated DVDs, without offering any insight as to what's good, what's bad, or anything else that most everyone else will discuss.

reyquila wrote:I own the movies and get the watch them. That's objective!!!

Telling people that their opinion is moot because they don't own a movie they're discussing is hardly objective.

Escapay