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According to The Rotoscopers, it looks like they've been uninvited from "Frozen" screenings, because of their reviews of the film.

Disney is getting more paranoid by the minute. They've also removed the new images of the Frozen dolls I had posted a few days ago.

Well, it's official. Frozen is now one of WDAS most controversial films ever! Here we are in mid June & Disney refuses to show anything about this film. And if anyone trys to follow the film or report on it, Disney will shun you. I'm at a point were i'm sick of this shit! If thats how they feel about this film, then they can piss-off! Pixar/Dreamworks/Blue Sky should take notice: this is not how you market a major animated film.

DisneyEra wrote:Well, it's official. Frozen is now one of WDAS most controversial films ever! Here we are in mid June & Disney refuses to show anything about this film. And if anyone trys to follow the film or report on it, Disney will shun you. I'm at a point were i'm sick of this shit! If thats how they feel about this film, then they can piss-off! Pixar/Dreamworks/Blue Sky should take notice: this is not how you market a major animated film.

Avatar says hi.

I've closely followed the development of every Disney movie since Bolt, when it was still Chris Sanders' Ametican Dog. I remember when Tiana was Maddie the chambermaid, and Rapunzel was a squirrel voiced by Kristin Chenoweth. If being a Disney fan has taught me anything in the past ten years or so, it's that patience is a virtue.

Frozen will come in good time-- and then it will go, and we'll obsess over something else. 'Tis the tragical life of a Disney fan. Get used to it.

DisneyEra wrote:Well, it's official. Frozen is now one of WDAS most controversial films ever! Here we are in mid June & Disney refuses to show anything about this film. And if anyone trys to follow the film or report on it, Disney will shun you. I'm at a point were i'm sick of this shit! If thats how they feel about this film, then they can piss-off! Pixar/Dreamworks/Blue Sky should take notice: this is not how you market a major animated film.

"Most controversial films ever"? That's a bit of an over-reaction, I agree it's harsh to ban this particular group from the screening but from they've said on Twitter it sounds like they've violated some kind of agreement in reviewing preview screenings of Frozen and other films (I think Planes is mentioned). They say that they were not supposed to have done a review of the footage they saw so they seem aware that they've done something they were not permitted to. It might be harsh to ban them but there you go, Disney are obviously cracking down on spoilers that leak out from preview screenings and the Rotoscopers say that they aren't the only ones to be uninvited to future screening.

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:

DisneyEra wrote:Well, it's official. Frozen is now one of WDAS most controversial films ever! Here we are in mid June & Disney refuses to show anything about this film. And if anyone trys to follow the film or report on it, Disney will shun you. I'm at a point were i'm sick of this shit! If thats how they feel about this film, then they can piss-off! Pixar/Dreamworks/Blue Sky should take notice: this is not how you market a major animated film.

"Most controversial films ever"? That's a bit of an over-reaction, I agree it's harsh to ban this particular group from the screening but from they've said on Twitter it sounds like they've violated some kind of agreement in reviewing preview screenings of Frozen and other films (I think Planes is mentioned). They say that they were not supposed to have done a review of the footage they saw so they seem aware that they've done something they were not permitted to. It might be harsh to ban them but there you go, Disney are obviously cracking down on spoilers that leak out from preview screenings and the Rotoscopers say that they aren't the only ones to be uninvited to future screening.

But what exactly did they do? All they did was just talk about the film. They didn't post any pics of Frozen. Kido has also talked about what he's seen. Didn't they have images of Hans that they've never shown? To band people over just talk is way to much. They never revealed the ending or anything.

PatrickvD wrote:

DisneyEra wrote:Well, it's official. Frozen is now one of WDAS most controversial films ever! Here we are in mid June & Disney refuses to show anything about this film. And if anyone trys to follow the film or report on it, Disney will shun you. I'm at a point were i'm sick of this shit! If thats how they feel about this film, then they can piss-off! Pixar/Dreamworks/Blue Sky should take notice: this is not how you market a major animated film.

Avatar says hi.

Really? You comparing the highest grossing fim of all time (unadjusted) to the latest Disney princess film?

UmbrellaFish wrote:I've closely followed the development of every Disney movie since Bolt, when it was still Chris Sanders' Ametican Dog. I remember when Tiana was Maddie the chambermaid, and Rapunzel was a squirrel voiced by Kristin Chenoweth. If being a Disney fan has taught me anything in the past ten years or so, it's that patience is a virtue.

Frozen will come in good time-- and then it will go, and we'll obsess over something else. 'Tis the tragical life of a Disney fan. Get used to it.

I guess that's why the mainstream pubic has switched over to Pixar/Dreamworks for their animated fix. They know what their doing & don't hide their films in production. They're proud of their work, & that's why their films continually out gross WDAS films on a yearly basis. Frozen will finish a distant 3rd to The Croods & Monsters U. Look what happened with Blue Sky's Epic. That film is set to be the lowest grossing film from Blue Sky ever, surpassing Robots!

DisneyEra wrote:But what exactly did they do? All they did was just talk about the film. They didn't post any pics of Frozen. Kido has also talked about what he's seen. Didn't they have images of Hans that they've never shown? To band people over just talk is way to much. They never revealed the ending or anything.

From what the Rotoscopers have said it's not what they said, the problem is that they said anything at all. Judging from their responses on Twitter they knew beforehand that they were not permitted to publicise anything about the screenings they previewed but did so anyway so they've been uninvited from future screenings. It does seem harsh but it sounds like they've knowingly broken certain conditions that allowed them to view footage and have been punished for that, the nature of what they said is irrelevant if they knew that they were not allowed to say anything in the first place. That's Disney's prerogative, they will publicise the film and it will no doubt receive plenty of coverage in the run-up to it's release.

You know, DVDizzy has a large membership, but I'd hardly say we represent the mainstream public.

Like the vast majority of ticket buyers even care that they haven't seen a picture of Hans five months in advance.

UmbrellaFish wrote:You know, DVDizzy has a large membership, but I'd hardly say we represent the mainstream public.

Like the vast majority of ticket buyers even care that they haven't seen a picture of Hans five months in advance.

Exactly. I wasn't talking about us members/Disney fans, I was talking about the mainstream movie going public. Most people have never even heard of Frozen, much less care. The teaser with Monsters U will be the pubic's first knowledge of Frozen's existence.

DisneyEra wrote:The teaser with Monsters U will be the pubic's first knowledge of Frozen's existence.

And that's not a problem. Few people decide to see an animated movie more than a month in advance-- especially a winter themed one released in the holiday season.

DisneyEra wrote:
I guess that's why the mainstream pubic has switched over to Pixar/Dreamworks for their animated fix. They know what their doing & don't hide their films in production. They're proud of their work, & that's why their films continually out gross WDAS films on a yearly basis. Frozen will finish a distant 3rd to The Croods & Monsters U. Look what happened with Blue Sky's Epic. That film is set to be the lowest grossing film from Blue Sky ever, surpassing Robots!

Don't forget Despicable Me 2 as the first movie made around $540 million worldwide, so Frozen will likely finish fourth unless Turbo somehow becomes a major hit.

As far as Epic goes, while it is going to be one of Blue Sky's lower grossing movies, they still have the Rio and Ice Age franchise. Let's not forget that Ice Age is one of the biggest money making animated franchises ever despite how most of us feel about the quality of the movies (mainly the sequels).

DisneyAnimation88 wrote:

DisneyEra wrote:But what exactly did they do? All they did was just talk about the film. They didn't post any pics of Frozen. Kido has also talked about what he's seen. Didn't they have images of Hans that they've never shown? To band people over just talk is way to much. They never revealed the ending or anything.

From what the Rotoscopers have said it's not what they said, the problem is that they said anything at all. Judging from their responses on Twitter they knew beforehand that they were not permitted to publicise anything about the screenings they previewed but did so anyway so they've been uninvited from future screenings. It does seem harsh but it sounds like they've knowingly broken certain conditions that allowed them to view footage and have been punished for that, the nature of what they said is irrelevant if they knew that they were not allowed to say anything in the first place. That's Disney's prerogative, they will publicise the film and it will no doubt receive plenty of coverage in the run-up to it's release.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is the point of folks like the Rotoscopers participating in preview screenings if they aren't allowed to talk? Is it Disney soliciting feedback about story ideas or something?

DisneyEra wrote:Look what happened with Blue Sky's Epic. That film is set to be the lowest grossing film from Blue Sky ever, surpassing Robots!

I don't think Epic's performance has anything to do with lack of marketing. The first trailer for that movie came out in July of last year.

DisneyEra wrote:

PatrickvD wrote:Avatar says hi.

Really? You comparing the highest grossing fim of all time (unadjusted) to the latest Disney princess film?

I think Patrick is recalling that Avatar didn't release its first trailer until August (in fact, the first officially released photo for Avatar also surfaced that same month) and yet it became the highest grossing film of all time. While Frozen definitely won't reach Avatar numbers, Patrick's point is that releasing its first teaser in June and first trailer in August/September is not going to hurt its box-office potential in the slightest.

RyGuy wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but what is the point of folks like the Rotoscopers participating in preview screenings if they aren't allowed to talk? Is it Disney soliciting feedback about story ideas or something?

Could be, I don't know but maybe the Rotoscopers do. Maybe Disney just don't want details leaking out because the film is still several months away from release and will probably undergo changes between now and then. It could just be them getting stricter on leaks, the Rotoscopers say that they aren't the only ones who were uninvited so maybe Disney are just making a point.

I don't think it's Frozen that caused the banning, though it could have contributed. The pre-screening reviews for Planes and Ralph which apparently they were not allowed to do were probably a bigger factor.

It was only a matter of time. I was confused how they were getting away with it while they were. Studios usually have you sign something regarding the rules of reviewing something before a specific date. So it has nothing to do with spoilers or no spoilers. They violated the agreement and (even if slightly) reviewed the film online.

Not surprised at all they were uninvited. Their passion is great, their 'we know things that we can't talk about, but here's a hint - oh and another hint, and another, and another! But remember, we can only say so much - but here's a hint' attitude wasn't the right way to go about it. And their recent 'if Disney isn't going to market this movie, we will!' campaign was probably the final straw.