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Disney Duster wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:47 pm I just wanna do a comparison now.

Those two Giselle looks Sotiris mentioned may not be totally comparable, but I agree with every comparison you made. It's more evident the originals are superior seeing the outfits side by side. And you forgot Robert. His suit from the ballroom scene in the original is also better than his period outfit in the sequel. I like how the new designer took the original costumes into consideration, though, and gave each character a similar style. As for Giselle's "evil stepmother" outfits, I do like the colors and silhouettes and how they pay homage to classic Disney villains like Lady Tremaine.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:54 am The original is obviously better in every way. I have no delusions about the sequel being as good as the original. But so far, it looks decent and without something too egregious or cringe-worhty and that's as good as it gets from Disney nowadays.

I agree (though I don't know if you still stand by your statement after seeing the new animation ); if it ends up being decent we could be more than happy, as that would be more than other recent sequels have been. I don't even expect the songs to be as good as the ones from the original. Menken set the bar so high for himself with the first one, in my opinion, that it'll be difficult to live up to that. However, I like pretty much everything he composes, so I know I'll enjoy his work here. In fact, it's what I'm most excited about, as I've mentioned more than once.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:22 am When the trailer came out that included the scroll talking, my husband immediately knew it was Alan Tudyk! He was a fan of that show he was on years ago so he knows that voice...

I didn't recognize his voice, but now that I know it's him I see it's very clear it's his voice and I'm surprised I didn't notice it before. He's very associated with WDAS nowadays, so it's nice they gave him a role in a movie that parodies/pays tribute to films from the studio.

PatrickvD wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:33 am Still disagree on the costumes. Some of the ones from the original are lackluster in my opinion. Especially Narissa’s. Which always looked kinda bdsm-ish and over the top. Maya’s costume is superior to me. And Amy’s new blue dress looks much more eye popping and well designed than the one she made out of curtains (which isn’t a fair comparison because that was supposed to look a bit hand made).

To each their own I guess.

Yes, there are no right or wrong opinions on things like these. Clothes, food or music, for example, are very much a matter of personal taste. Narissa's costume is not my favorite from the original film, but I like the headpiece and the collar especially, as well as the original texture and colors. Personally, the boots and heavy makeup have always reminded me of drag queens, but I don't know if that was intentional or not. As for Giselle's new blue dress, it reminds me of a dressing gown. That's why I don't like it too much, but I agree the colors are quite striking.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:19 am Very disappointing. Pip's animation is decent, but Edward's is horrible and Nancy is completely off-model.

Pip's face looks wider to me, but maybe it's because he's looking straight at the camera. Yes, Nancy is the one who looks most different. I think the designs are OK, though; the worst thing is the animation itself. But I don't blame the animators; they probably didn't have much time or resources to do a better job. I wonder if it would've been better if this had been a theatrical release.

Farerb wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:23 pm For comparison:

That comparison made me realize Edward doesn't wear a crown in the sequel even though he's a king now, while Nancy does. Well, I guess kings don't wear their crowns all the time, but I wonder why they made that choice.

Vlad Sicoe wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:27 pm It's so good seeing them do hand drawn animation once again.

I agree.

DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 5:34 pm Well, to give my thoughts about the animation: It`s certainly not as marvelous as it could`ve been, but still not completely awful either. It was expected to be in that quality, so it`s a step up from the awfulness of Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers movie.

I agree; the glimpse at the animation in the second trailer already made me expect something like this, so I was not disappointed. Even though the animation in Chip and Dale perhaps looked more refined, I prefer the one here infinitely more.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:53 pm The difference in quality, design, and coloring is quite stark. There's really no excuse for not getting the look of Edward and Nancy right. Did they not bother consulting the original model sheet?

The actors have changed a bit, so maybe they tried to reflect that in the designs? It's also possible the director wanted them to look a bit more like the real actors, for example. I agree with DisneyFan09 Nancy at least resembles Idina Menzel a little more now. But maybe it's just lack of time or care.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:53 pm Maybe there's going to be a deluxe edition with cut songs and demos, but it's a long shot. Whether it's on the digital or the physical release, at least we will get to hear them this time around. Still frustrated that at least three cut songs from the original have yet to make it to the public in any form.

A deluxe edition would be amazing, but I also think it's unlikely. Yes, at least we'll get to hear the deleted songs this time. Regarding the cut songs from the original, do you think it's possible one or more of them could've been reworked to fit in the sequel? I remember there was one they said was very good that Disney wanted Alan Menken to rework for Ralph Breaks the Internet. He preferred to write a new song and save that one for another occasion. Could this be that occasion? Or is he saving it for a potential Broadway adaptation of Enchanted, for example?

Sotiris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:53 pm It's actually their fifth movie collaboration. They wrote a song for the movie Noel (2004), though that wasn't a musical. They also worked on the canceled TV movie of Hunchback and the canceled movie Larry Poppins for Universal. It was going to be a musical about the son of Mary Poppins, Larry, played by Josh Gad.

I don't think I had heard of those last two projects you mentioned. The Larry Poppins musical sounds like it could've been interesting.

Thank you Sotiris and D82 for agreeing with a lot, and in D82's case, all of my costume comparisons. Though Sotiris is right, Giselle is now a new character archetype that means the costumes have to be different, I still must ascertain I only find her red outfit to actually be good within that difference. Her peacock outfit is striking, but it's rather odd, and it looks like something a wicked queen might wear in her bedroom than an evil baroness stepmother might wear going to town. That champagne one I also find to be odd, mixing stepmother leg-o-mutton sleeves with a plunging neckline. What? Why?

I didn't do Robert's, true D82, because I actually like his, even though it is also how all of the costumes look - cheap. This thing looks cheap. But, looks is the key word. It only has cheap visuals. The script and songs and acting seem like they will all be great.

PatrickvD, alas, we still disagree on the costumes, but we do agree about the animation. Yikes! James Baxter's studio this is not!

Short post to all of you commenting on the animation. (I'm at work, and shouldn't actually be on UD, lol.)

I watched that new promotional clip (muted, because I'm at work! ) and ...

I THINK THE ANIMATION LOOKS BLOOMING FINE !!!!

By that I do not mean it's necessarily excellent. However, I think it is extremely unfair to judge the animation based on four second-long microsopic clips interspersed within the rest of the trailer.

I watched the clips thrice.

I have not scrutinised each frame.

Nevertheless, ink and paint seems ok. Linework seems refined enough. Colours make sense.

However, there simply isn't enough footage to properly judge the character animation. I will wait until I can watch a longer clip, or the movie proper!

Also, perhaps I am alone on this, but I am not too fussy about characters being "on model." I can live with off-model characters as long as other elements are ok. Let's not forget that fast production schedules and low budget are normally not conducive to perfectly "on model" characters.

This work looks professional so far. I will reserve judgement for later.

(I also liked the animation in Godmothered and still cannot understand what everyone else found so objectionable. I went in expecting outright incompetence!)

D82 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:40 pmRegarding the cut songs from the original, do you think it's possible one or more of them could've been reworked to fit in the sequel? I remember there was one they said was very good that Disney wanted Alan Menken to rework for Ralph Breaks the Internet. He preferred to write a new song and save that one for another occasion. Could this be that occasion? Or is he saving it for a potential Broadway adaptation of Enchanted, for example?

The song that Disney wanted to use for Ralph Breaks the Internet was an opening song he had written with Glenn Slater for an early iteration of Enchanted before Kevin Lima came on board. He wouldn't re-use that for the sequel or a Broadway adaptation of Enchanted given the lyrics were not written by Schwartz. As for the other cut songs he had written with Schwartz for the original, I doubt any of them were re-purposed. One was a villain song for Narissa, another a ballad for the So Close sequence, and the other a love song between Edward and Nancy at the end. None of them could have easily been reworked for the sequel.

Besides, Menken prefers writing new songs that are tailor-made for the project at hand. The only instance where a cut song was re-used in a way was Wind in My Hair which was initially conceived for the end credits of Tangled and then used as the opening song for Tangled: Before Ever After. But, that song was never finished. They just had started writing it in June 2010 when it was announced to them that Disney decided to go "in a different direction" for the end credits. Unlike the cut songs from Enchanted, that song was unfinished and hadn't even been demo-ed and it still needed to be re-written to an extent to fit Tangled: Before Ever After. I think when Menken told the Ralph team, he wanted to save it, he didn't have anything concrete in his mind. It was more of an excuse so he could write a new song because he doesn't like the practice of re-working cut songs for different, unrelated projects. Also, because sometimes these cut songs do manage to get released years later as bonus features on home video or even find their way to personal albums for individual artists like what happened with It Only Happens in the Movies from the shelved Who Discovered Roger Rabbit that was used as a track in Kerry Buttler's album Faith, Trust & Pixie Dust or the cut song I Can't Believe My Heart from Hercules that ended up on Susan Egan's album Coffee House.

New TV spot and still:


Source: https://eu.usatoday.com/picture-gallery ... 613373002/

Disney Duster wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:55 pm I didn't do Robert's, true D82, because I actually like his, even though it is also how all of the costumes look - cheap.

Oh, OK. I don't dislike his outfit in the sequel either. I just think the one in the original was better, but maybe it's a bit unfair to compare them too since they're not exactly for the same type of event.

Jules wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:18 am However, there simply isn't enough footage to properly judge the character animation. I will wait until I can watch a longer clip, or the movie proper!

Also, perhaps I am alone on this, but I am not too fussy about characters being "on model." I can live with off-model characters as long as other elements are ok. Let's not forget that fast production schedules and low budget are normally not conducive to perfectly "on model" characters.

(I also liked the animation in Godmothered and still cannot understand what everyone else found so objectionable. I went in expecting outright incompetence!)

Well, it's true the animated clips were very short. We'll have a better idea of the quality of the animation when more footage is released or we can see the actual movie. I don't mind characters being "off model" as much as others either. I know Beauty and the Beast, for example, is heavily criticised for this and I never had a problem with that in the film. I also thought the animation in Godmothered was fine.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:22 am The song that Disney wanted to use for Ralph Breaks the Internet was an opening song he had written with Glenn Slater for an early iteration of Enchanted before Kevin Lima came on board. He wouldn't re-use that for the sequel or a Broadway adaptation of Enchanted given the lyrics were not written by Schwartz. As for the other cut songs he had written with Schwartz for the original, I doubt any of them were re-purposed. One was a villain song for Narissa, another a ballad for the So Close sequence, and the other a love song between Edward and Nancy at the end. None of them could have easily been reworked for the sequel.

Besides, Menken prefers writing new songs that are tailor-made for the project at hand. The only instance where a cut song was re-used in a way was Wind in My Hair which was initially conceived for the end credits of Tangled and then used as the opening song for Tangled: Before Ever After. But, that song was never finished. They just had started writing it in June 2010 when it was announced to them that Disney decided to go "in a different direction" for the end credits. Unlike the cut songs from Enchanted, that song was unfinished and hadn't even been demo-ed and it still needed to be re-written to an extent to fit Tangled: Before Ever After. I think when Menken told the Ralph team, he wanted to save it, he didn't have anything concrete in his mind. It was more of an excuse so he could write a new song because he doesn't like the practice of re-working cut songs for different, unrelated projects. Also, because sometimes these cut songs do manage to get released years later as bonus features on home video or even find their way to personal albums for individual artists like what happened with It Only Happens in the Movies from the shelved Who Discovered Roger Rabbit that was used as a track in Kerry Buttler's album Faith, Trust & Pixie Dust or the cut song I Can't Believe My Heart from Hercules that ended up on Susan Egan's album Coffee House.

Thanks for all that info! I didn't remember he wrote the unused Enchanted opening song with Glenn Slater. Yeah, then it's unlikely he would re-use it for this or a potential Broadway adaptation. It's true the other deleted songs don't seem easy to rework for the sequel either. It makes sense Alan would prefer to write songs from scratch for a new project. Plus, songs not made specifically for a project can't get nominated at awards. That's something I only learned a few years ago, when you wrote about it. Another instance where I thought he had re-purposed a song from a past project was Beauty and the Beast's remake, but I later learned that song was actually written for the film, just 15 years or so before when they first considered making it and he just adapted it a bit for the new version. I don't remember if it was "Days in the Sun" or "Evermore". I was just curious about that Enchanted opening song and I thought if it was indeed very good, maybe this would be a good opportunity to find a use for it and release it to the public. But it's true there are other ways for that to happen, as you mentioned. I hope we get to hear it someday, as well as the other cut songs.

D82 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:31 pmAnother instance where I thought he had re-purposed a song from a past project was Beauty and the Beast's remake, but I later learned that song was actually written for the film, just 15 years or so before when they first considered making it and he just adapted it a bit for the new version. I don't remember if it was "Days in the Sun" or "Evermore".

The song in question is "Days in the Sun" which was written in 2008 while Menken was in London working on Sister Act. Him and Rice actually wrote two songs back then. It's too bad we never got to hear the other one.

Sotiris wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:32 pm The song in question is "Days in the Sun" which was written in 2008 while Menken was in London working on Sister Act. Him and Rice actually wrote two songs back then. It's too bad we never got to hear the other one.

I thought it was most likely that one, but I wasn't sure. Well, it was written just 9 years before the film's release then. Yes, it's a shame we didn't get to hear the other song. I wonder what moment from the film it was meant to be for.

Official Clip:
https://youtu.be/hKnK9fHIM9I

The movie is 118 minutes.
Social Media Embargo ends on November 17.
Review Embargo ends on November 18, same day when the movie comes out.

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:02 am Official Clip:
https://youtu.be/hKnK9fHIM9I

Thanks for posting that video, Farerb! Now that we heard True Love`s Kiss instrumentally in that scene, I wonder if many of the musical cues from the score of the original will be a part of this sequel.

Maya Rudolph Thinks Her Family Is 'Going to Love' Her Role as a Villain in Disney's 'Disenchanted'
https://people.com/parents/maya-rudolph ... exclusive/

There are also a couple new shots in this Mexican promo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyO3DiOIJ4

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:02 am Official Clip:
https://youtu.be/hKnK9fHIM9I

Nice clip! James Marsden is the one who stands out the most here. He did a great job in the first film, in my opinion, and judging by this scene and the animated portion of the promo the other day, it seems he's going to be hilarious here too. I wondered if this would be the first time the two families meet in a long time, but I'm glad to see they've seen each other regularly since the first movie. This clip also confirms the well is the portal that connects both worlds this time.

Speaking of that, I think Morgan will indeed end up in Andalasia after being pushed into the well by Giselle, as I suspected, since she appeared with Edward and Nancy in the animated footage. I'm not so sure anymore my theory about Robert is right, though. The latest promos seem to suggest what happens to him when he's under the spell is that he becomes more like a fairy tale prince or knight and is suddenly more courageous, as well as chivalrous and romantic with Giselle. I guess at first the wish will seem to solve all of Giselle's problems; Robert will be more attentive to her, Morgan will be very obedient and won't give her any problems, etc., but then the "side effects" will start to take effect.

DisneyFan09 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:38 pm Now that we heard True Love`s Kiss instrumentally in that scene, I wonder if many of the musical cues from the score of the original will be a part of this sequel.

I hadn't noticed that! Maybe it was used in this scene because it's a reunion between the characters to remind us of the first movie where they all met. I think these callbacks to the first movie are nice. There probably will be more, as you said.

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 11:22 am The movie is 118 minutes.
Social Media Embargo ends on November 17.
Review Embargo ends on November 18, same day when the movie comes out.

Thanks for the info! The review embargo lifting on the same day of release is not a good sign. If you take a look at Adam Shankman's filmography on Rotten Tomatoes, all of his movies except Hairspray have a rotten score, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised if this one does too. The only films by him I've seen apart from Hairspray are Bringing Down the House, The Pacifier and Bedtime Stories. I don't think any of them is great, but I did enjoyed them, so hopefully I'll like Disenchanted too even if it gets bad reviews.

What?!? But people here said he's an experienced talented director, and now we learn that all of his films are rotten except for one?!?

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:59 pm What?!? But people here said he's an experienced talented director, and now we learn that all of his films are rotten except for one?!?

Well, we'd better hope DisEnchanted's social media reactions are only the day before release because they don't wanna reveal any spoilers. But at least it's not one the night of the premiere like Pinocchio so at least it has that going for it.

The soundtrack will be released on physical CD:

Disenchanted Original Soundtrack https://a.co/d/balGz4v

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:59 pm What?!? But people here said he's an experienced talented director, and now we learn that all of his films are rotten except for one?!?

I don't consider him a great director, but I thought he was competent enough based on the films from him I had seen. I hadn't checked his films' scores on Rotten Tomatoes before, but I wasn't totally surprised by this, as he has mainly directed romantic and family comedies and these types of movies don't usually get good reviews. Garry Marshall, for example, the director of Pretty Woman or The Princess Diaries, made similar types of films and most of his movies are rotten too. Also, with Hairspray Adam proved he can make acclaimed movies as well. However, judging by the review embargo, this most likely won't be one of those cases. Anyway, I think it's good to know it beforehand, to not get our hopes up too much.

D23ExpoVisitor25 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:50 pm Well, we'd better hope DisEnchanted's social media reactions are only the day before release because they don't wanna reveal any spoilers. But at least it's not one the night of the premiere like Pinocchio so at least it has that going for it.

Judging by the following tweets, I think it's at the same time as Pinocchio:

The social embargo has lifted on Disney's remake of #Pinocchio, which debuts on Disney+ at midnight PDT. Good call because I thought it was a needless recreation in its best moments and disastrously executed in its worst moments. Full review at 12:01 am PDT when the embargo drops

Source: https://twitter.com/MurrellDan/status/1 ... 9265752070

Embargo for ‘DISENCHANTED’ lifts on November 18th at 12:01am PT

That’s the same day of the movie premiere on Disney+

Source: https://twitter.com/The_HollywoodH/stat ... 3940884480

Farerb wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:54 pm The soundtrack will be released on physical CD:

Disenchanted Original Soundtrack https://a.co/d/balGz4v

I saw that and I'm very glad about it. I plan to order it on Amazon UK, but right now it says that it's temporarily out of stock. Hopefully, they get more copies soon.

Oh, I didn't know anything about Adam Shankman and now I know he has mostly rotten scored movies. Oh no. Well, I'm always the optimist for things I like, and I like what I've seen and heard of this film so far except the visuals, so...I'm still hopeful this will be good.

"Are you poor now?"
"Edward!"

I love them. I am so beyond excited for this!!!!!

I couldn't find the CD on Amazon myself (I wonder why) so thank you for the link!

Enchanted in 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8cUHX6heb0

Clip - Mirror mirror on the wall
https://youtu.be/wzORa1lnaaM

New images from the latest issue of D23 magazine:






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Farerb wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:08 pm Clip - Mirror mirror on the wall
https://youtu.be/wzORa1lnaaM

Now that we have a better look at the magic mirror, it's clear it's the character played by Oscar Nuñez. The press releases said he's called Edgar; I wonder if he's someone who works for Malvina before the spell. It's also evident here it's a wall mirror, so Malvina probably has two magic mirrors; this and the hand one.

blackcauldron85 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:59 am "Are you poor now?"
"Edward!"

Yeah, that was hilarious.