I love the idea of an older Jim and him being a captain like Long John Silver.Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BshWK3JhQWR/John Ripa wrote:At one point on Treasure Planet the movie was going to end with Jim older and a captain of his own ship. This is a sketch I did, at the time, exploring that idea.
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BtlYx26hISK/John Ripa wrote:Old sketch for the maquette of Jim on Treasure Planet.
This post is a little late, but technically the Jim we see at the end of the film isn't an adult Jim. It's right when he's entered military school as a cadet. He's still a teen at that point.Disney's Divinity wrote:Well, I always assumed he was an army captain of his own ship at the end, too. Still, I do prefer this design of an adult Jim to the one seen at the end of the finished film.
I like HOTR's soundtrack and its animation (and most of its characters beyond the cows, too, actually...). I love TP&TF, of course, and more Winnie the Pooh is never a bad thing even if I'll always believe Disney was deliberately sabotaging the medium to become, as farerb so aptly put, PIXAR 2.0. I'm glad somebody liked the moose after all since they tend to be one of the most panned parts of the film.Disney's Divinity wrote:I don't begrudge any of the last hand-drawn films' existence. Brother Bear is my least favorite of them, but even it had a decent soundtrack (albeit not as strong as Tarzan's). The moose are actually the only thing I like about the film itself.
I love the maquette for Jim. It captures that exuberance in his face that would mostly only come out in moments when the character is alone in the film because the character was often cynical. I've always felt Jim was the closest thing to a male Ariel. I mean, all of the '90s films re-created the whole "I want" song and protagonist that wanted something from a world forbidden by an overbearing patriarchal figure, but Jim is the only one that really taps into the youthfulness and the strong-willed teenager aspect of Ariel, too, imo.
I always loved the maquette for Ursula seen in The Disney Villain, too. It captures everything about that character in one go. How imposing her design is along with that charismatic quality of her mannerisms. I wonder if most Disney characters' figures can be easible found via Google. Those would be interesting to look through.
I think the film was referred to as a return to The Lion King in production but clearly it was anything but. The Phil Collins songs turned out to be uninspired as well, which didn't help.farerb wrote:I feel like Brother Bear was a lazy attempt to return to the Renaissance, as if Phill Collins songs are enough for a film, I mostly found the film dull and the characters uninteresting. Maybe if I had watched it when I was a kid I would have had more fondness towards it.
I've heard a lot of people complain about the fact that the scene where Kenai admits that he killed Koda isn't given any dialogue. The fact that we only see the scene with music over it takes away from the impact of the admission which irked some people.Mooky wrote:I too prefer Brother Bear to Treasure Planet, I never understood why so many people dislike it. Yes, the moose can be a bit overbearing, but the story makes me emotional and weepy, and the songs are pretty good. And I usually hate annoying children characters, but Koda is super adorable and I think they did a good job in portraying the sulky teen/hyperactive younger sibling dynamic. I assume the issues may also stem from the way the movie deals with Kenai's realization he killed Koda's mother, and Koda's quick acceptance of it? Like, maybe people feel the film glanced it over?
I also rewatched Treasure Planet recently. I always liked it, but I really enjoyed it this time. It's so terribly underrated, much like most Disney films from 2000-2004. But it also got me thinking, that the visual style they used and their approach to adapting "Treasure Island in Space" worked against the film. Like, the film is obviously visually very original and memorable for not going for the futuristic spaceships / spaceports look, but it also poses the question of why not just do a traditional take on the source material. Especially because some of the alien designs weren't really all that inventive.
Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/BshWK3JhQWR/John Ripa wrote:At one point on Treasure Planet the movie was going to end with Jim older and a captain of his own ship. This is a sketch I did, at the time, exploring that idea.
Oh, I can understand that and agree to a point. But I still think having the song instead of the conversation worked rather nicely. By having Kenai say it's a story "about a monster" and showing Koda being visibly upset, it eliminated the need for exposition as we (the audience) already saw what happened and I think it made it more emotional than any dialogue would. Plus, it's a really good song.JeanGreyForever wrote:I've heard a lot of people complain about the fact that the scene where Kenai admits that he killed Koda isn't given any dialogue. The fact that we only see the scene with music over it takes away from the impact of the admission which irked some people.
Yes, I guess that's true. I also read the pirate genre was basically dying out in the 1980s and 1990s, and I suppose this was Disney's way of injecting some new blood into it. Audiences weren't receptive to it for some reason though, which makes PotC's subsequent success rather surprising.JeanGreyForever wrote:I'm assuming they felt that a traditional Treasure Island story wouldn't be very eye-catching or interesting for audiences since it's been adapted so many times. Even Disney has adapted the film various times, between the 1950 live-action film that Walt made and then the Muppets version. They probably felt a fresh take would be appreciated more by audiences.
I actually didn't mind the song sequence myself. I have the same views towards it as you do, which is that we don't really need a rehash of something we've already seen and that seeing just the visuals is convincing enough. For some reason, lots of people weren't convinced by this though. Maybe they feel cheated because of how quickly Koda is won over by Kenai again afterwards.Mooky wrote: Oh, I can understand that and agree to a point. But I still think having the song instead of the conversation worked rather nicely. By having Kenai say it's a story "about a monster" and showing Koda being visibly upset, it eliminated the need for exposition as we (the audience) already saw what happened and I think it made it more emotional than any dialogue would. Plus, it's a really good song.
Yes, I guess that's true. I also read the pirate genre was basically dying out in the 1980s and 1990s, and I suppose this was Disney's way of injecting some new blood into it. Audiences weren't receptive to it for some reason though, which makes PotC's subsequent success rather surprising.
I would have liked more of Jim's mother but narrative-wise, there's really no way to include her anymore than in the scenes she's already in. Even in her few scenes, I think she makes a lasting enough impression. I always liked Amelia's character even if she is taken out of action towards the end. But that made sense considering she's the most capable member of the ragtag team.thedisneyspirit wrote: And yeah, this film is very underrated. Half the time I don't really get the criticisms people aim at it. "Jim is nothing but an Aladdin rip-off!" "The setting is weird" "The female characters don't do anything" (they also don't do anything in Lion King, but nobody complains about that)...Just seem like people pull excuses to not give it a chance tbh.
