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STAR WARS Theatrical version

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:27 pm
by Nausica's biggest fan
anyone think it will ever be on dvd :roll:

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:34 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
No but I don't care. The "new" version one is just as good as the original "version", and IMO, the "new" version is even better than the original version. It looks much better with the changes. Aside from seeing Hayden Christensen in Return of the Jedi(why did they change that! :roll: ) I've liked all the changes!

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:49 pm
by Isidour
me too.

Anyway,it looks more clear and also it have the 5.1 mix(why bether on don“t use them when you have a nice home theater?)

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:11 pm
by Disney-Fan
I like this so-called "new" version. It makes the movie look fresh. I see nothing wrong with a few cosmetic changes...

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:21 pm
by Mr. Toad
I agree. The only thing that upset me was the Hayden Christensen thing.

Nothing else affected the presentation of the movies.

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:40 pm
by Swiss
I don't mind seeing Anakin in spirit at the end, nor do I mind the added celebration scenes like Naboo, etc.

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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:46 pm
by memnv
I think one Day Lucas will put an Edition out with all 3 or 4 version if he does the 3-d

He has done 3 versions of the original trio

Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:48 pm
by Swiss
memnv wrote:I think one Day Lucas will put an Edition out with all 3 or 4 version if he does the 3-d

He has done 3 versions of the original trio
I can't wait for the definitive Star Wars Saga Box Set with all six movies and tons of special features :D

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:28 am
by deathie mouse
I think unlikely the original theatrical versions will come in DVD but $$$$ might change that. The original would look as good as the redoriginals cus except for the new CGI alterations it is the same film, the same source! :-P

Maybe the Library of Congress may have a 35mm print of the theatrical of A New Hope, but not even that is the original.

Maybe on the next 5" disc.

But the altered sections of the negative are reportedly destroyed..

*breathes hard

Including sound mixes there's been like 6 versions of STAR WARS, 4 each of the Empire Strikes Back and Rechange of the Jedi

Maybe a royal reptile and a dead rodent one day will join the dark side and toguether with their combined forces end this destructive conflict :-P

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:24 am
by Isidour
then who remember what was the real stuff?

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:39 am
by memnv
Older people like myself remember the real stuff

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:42 am
by Isidour
Then this mean that no one knows or have the real original Star Wars?

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:02 am
by memnv
TBS used to show the origional Star Wars all the time and I have and I know a few people who have it on Video. Lucas clamis the original prints are not available anymore

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:09 am
by deathie mouse
I don't have to remember either :D. I have the original cuts with the 4.1-channel matrixed Dolby Surround sound mixes of STAR WARS and Empire Strikes Back in widescreen Laserdisc (Except for the original STAR WARS title/scroll intro) (which is arranged different, and the opening music was synched to THAT to rise and fanfare to what you read) which was changed a long long time ago in a ranch far far away. (But that also is "around")

I also have the original cut of Reload of the Jedi with the THX 4.1 channel matrixed mix too.

It's not that the "prints" are missing, movies are not prints, prints are a mass end product for the theaters and have to be struck from original negatives or other pre-print material. Stop thinking, oh the print is damaged or the print is faded. Thousands of prints are made for the exhibition run and then most are usualy destroyed afterwards.
It's the NEGATIVES that are important . that's the real original image.

..photons striking light-sensitive silver for the first time..

The negatives for STAR WARS were supposedly dissasembled and recut/intercut with the new Special Edition's fotage, therefore THAT became the original negative. What did they do with the parts they cut out/replaced with CGI footage from the original negative? Reportedly several persons have said that was destroyed. So the original negative for STAR WARS for example may no longer exist in physical form . Of course maybe the TRIMS might exist somewhere in a reel in a can marked DO NOT USE. whoknowz...

Anyway that physical existant SE re-edited negative was scanned into digital for it's 90's "restoration" so it may only exists as a digital intermediate file, or a new internegative printed from that digital intermediate data.

you see, anyway even with all the $11 million? digital massageing, the Special Edition prints of STAR WARS still had some color crossover probablly due to severe fading from the original negatives. (for example, highlights might be magenta while shadows greenish, which i don't undertand why didn't they get rid of that back then but maybe time was money.) On the new DVDs everything is bluish but that might been an :artistic decision: by Lucas. ;)

btw the original negatives of the Star Wars trilogy were 35mm Scope/Panavision for the live action and 35mm VistaVision (Large Format negative almost 50% sharper than Scope and more than twice as sharp as the popular Super-35 used for many Scope ratio films today) for the effects. So the STAR WARS special effects in 70mm prints looked great! :D

:-P

But whoknowz if those original effects are also stored somewhere in a reel on a can that says VistaVision-DO NOT USE...

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:31 am
by Big Worms
I don't see Lucas ever releases the originals on DVD.

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:35 am
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
Nedakh wrote:I don't mind seeing Anakin in spirit at the end, nor do I mind the added celebration scenes like Naboo, etc.

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What I don't get is if Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi look older than why does Anakan look so young! :? That's why I hated the change. :x

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:04 pm
by Swiss
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:
Nedakh wrote:I don't mind seeing Anakin in spirit at the end, nor do I mind the added celebration scenes like Naboo, etc.

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What I don't get is if Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi look older than why does Anakan look so young! :? That's why I hated the change. :x
Perhaps it's symbolic. Older Anakin was twisted by the Dark Side and is usually associated with Darth Vader/evil. Whereas the Younger Anakin was good, as we know him from episodes I, II and most of III :D

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:13 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
I just found great photos of the changes right here:
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?c=28&s=8

Alot of changes I know but this is just for A New Hope! :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:02 pm
by Alice
Timon/Pumba fan wrote:I just found great photos of the changes! The ones at the top are the ones from the original version, the 2nd ones are the ones from the re-released versions, and the third ones are the ones from the new released DVDS:

<pics go *snip!*>

Alot of changes I know. But these aren't even all the changes! And this is just for A New Hope! :lol:
Not be a bugger But I think you should post the link for the pages instead of those pics.......

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:33 pm
by Timon/Pumbaa fan
Alice wrote: Not be a bugger But I think you should post the link for the pages instead of those pics.......
Alright I editted!