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Out of curiosity... (Deleted scenes question)

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:43 am
by Disney-Fan
What Disney movies do you know of that have fully animated, yet excluded scenes? I'm not talking about the Pixar style "takes", I'm talking about ones that were seriously considered to be included. I know of Lilo and Stitch (the jet plane scene, I think), Brother Bear (the secret is revealed scene) and in Atlantis (alternative opening). What other movies have these? I'm not only talking about colored ones, anything fully animated! I really like these since it makes the scene so much more interesting...

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:51 am
by 2099net
Well:

Lilo and Stitch SE has the almost fully animated "Stitch Hi-Jacks a 747" scene.
Pocahontas SE/10 AE has "If I Never Knew You" back in the movie.
Treasure Planet - I think this contains an almost completed scene for the original prologue, before it was changed to the book's narration (I can't remember if this is animation or storyboards)
Fantasia Anthology has the deleted Clair De Lune sequence, and a few alternative segments for various Fantasia 2000 sequences.

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:57 am
by Disney-Fan
Hmm, I'd really like to see the Treasure Planet scene. I was so disappointed when I first saw it, I didn't even bother going over the bonus features! :oops:

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:29 am
by Siren
Originally in Beauty and the Beast "Be Our Guest" was sung to Maurice. To my knowledge, the item was fully animated, but not colored, when someone realized, they were singing it to the wrong person. So Maurice was taken out and Belle put in. And a few words were changed on the song.

In Lion King 2, it was originally written and voice work was completed that Kovu WAS Scar's son. Kovu does mean Scar in Swahili, and the family resemblance is uncanny afterall. Much of the animation was done too. When someone remembered, Mufasa and Scar were brothers. Scar was Simba's uncle. Kiara and Kovu would then be cousins. *collective soap opera gasp*. So they had to call back in the voice talent to re-read any line that referred to the family connection. But some of it is still left over. In the scene when Kovu pounced on Timon, Timon says, "I didn't know your tyrannt!", watch his lip movements though. He bites his lower lip, an indication he was prounouncing a word which begins with "F" right at the part that he says "tyrannt". He didn't touch his tongue to the roof of his mouth, he bites his lip. The lip synch doesn't work with the word tyrannt. But mute it and say the line by replacing the word "father" and the lip synch is perfect :)

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:55 am
by Kram Nebuer
Siren wrote:In Lion King 2, it was originally written and voice work was completed that Kovu WAS Scar's son. Kovu does mean Scar in Swahili, and the family resemblance is uncanny afterall. Much of the animation was done too. When someone remembered, Mufasa and Scar were brothers. Scar was Simba's uncle. Kiara and Kovu would then be cousins. *collective soap opera gasp*. So they had to call back in the voice talent to re-read any line that referred to the family connection. But some of it is still left over. In the scene when Kovu pounced on Timon, Timon says, "I didn't know your tyrannt!", watch his lip movements though. He bites his lower lip, an indication he was prounouncing a word which begins with "F" right at the part that he says "tyrannt". He didn't touch his tongue to the roof of his mouth, he bites his lip. The lip synch doesn't work with the word tyrannt. But mute it and say the line by replacing the word "father" and the lip synch is perfect :)
wow! I didn't know that! Thank you for sharing, Siren! It's a shame they don't talk about that on the DVD.

Back on topic, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs had some fully animated as well as fully inked and painted scenes, both are included on the DVD. The first one was "Music in Your Soup" an entire song fully animated and recorded, but deleted because Walt at the last minute felt it held up the movie. It's a delightful scene and explains how the soap Dopey swallowed in the washing scene got out. Another scene was very short in which the evil witch was brewing her poisoned apple and Walt felt it was too scary so he deleted it.

Also Return to Neverland had a few scenes in which Tinker Bell starts to fade and another with Jane and the pirates. I remember some parts were fully animated, but some were storyboards.

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:10 pm
by Disneykid
The Emperor's New Groove has a completely finished scene where the soldiers are practicing their destruction of Pacha's village with a model version of it. The scene was supposed to be funny, but when the score was combined with the look of Pacha's face during all of this, the filmmakers felt they were being too harsh and cut it out.

Mulan has an alternate opening where the history of the Great Wall of China is explained through shadow puppets. Some of the scene is storyboarded (the people watching the show), but if I remember correctly, most of the shadow puppet bits are animated.

Treasure Planet has a fully animated scene where Jim offers to help an alien named Ethan fix his glider, but then Ethan's father comes along and fixes it himself. This resonates with Jim because his father was never around to do things like that with him.

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:17 pm
by Wonderlicious
I believe that there were fully animated scenes of Pleasure Island that never made it into the final cut of Pinocchio. Also, some of the forest fire scenes in Bambi were actually deleted scenes from Pinocchio.

The Black Cauldron also had some creepy scenes edited out before it got released into cinemas as Disney heads deemed these scenes too scary for a family audience. This didn't help the film do well, though; the film still got a PG rating in America and flopped.