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Pegan or non-christian/muslim/jewish Beliefs
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 4:23 pm
by Prince Phillip
This may be a bit of a contreversial topic, but one that I thought would be interesting all the same.
I am curious to know if anyone has religious belifes other than the major 3 of Christianity, Judism, or Islam (sorry if my terms/spelling is inaccurate)
What are your beliefs, tell us about them... I am very curious about different things and very open minded. So if you feel like being enlightening or teachful (don't think that's a word) feel free.

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:42 pm
by Sulley
"major 3"
I believe the term you're looking for is monotheistic, but I'm not offended or anything. I am a Christian, but I do enjoy hearing about others' beliefs.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:12 pm
by Prince Phillip
Sulley wrote:"major 3"
I believe the term you're looking for is monotheistic, but I'm not offended or anything. I am a Christian, but I do enjoy hearing about others' beliefs.
Well, the 3 I listed all have similar roots, and really aren't anything
too different Where as Buddhism or Hindu, are very different. They are also major religions and I have studied them a bit this past school year, but others may know nothing about these. Also there may be monotheistic religions that we don't know about that aren't the three that I listed... but OK, I guess I would rather hear about some polytheistic or pegan beleifs...
But thanks, for showing an interest Sulley.

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:19 pm
by jabroni76
Me, personally, I think nothing about religion. It matters not to me. I don't mean to be offensive, but thats just the way it is. I'm not huge with the whole... go to church, or go to mosque (sp?), ect. ect.
I think, if you wanna worship someone, or something, thats fine, but there is no need to go and try to get people to do like you. I dunno.. I'm just some crazy kid though...
Another thing is "practice". Because I'm muslim, the first question I always get is "Do you pray to Mecca (sp?) five times a day?". I answered no, and thought that people who think that a certian religion
HAS to do certian stuff, are very ignorant!
I dunno.. I've never gone to church, or anywhere to pray, so I can't really say much more. Also, I hope that I haven't hurt, or critisized anyone; if I have, I'm greatly sorry!
Just some rambles for thought!

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:37 pm
by indianajdp
Born and Raised Catholic...walked away from the Catholic church about 13 years ago for a variety of reasons that matter not, but the final straw was how my granmother, a devout catholic was treated.
She was in the final stages of Alzheimers when we put her into a Catholic Home oustide of Pittsburgh. She was DENYED communion by the priests because "she was not of the right mind to accept the body and blood of Christ". And we all know that Christ himself would have done the same thing, right

That was it for me. I converted to the Methodist Church with my then soon-to-be wife and have been on that road ever since. Many similarities between the two, sans the arrogance of the hierarchy that "governs" the Methodist Idealogy.
On a side note, I come from a very Catholic, Sicilian-Italian family. I was genuinely scared to tell my family that I would be married in a Methodist church...by a women Reverend. I thought for sure my Godmother would disown me on the spot

It all worked out okay, though.
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:33 pm
by Prince Phillip
Well, I personally subscribe to no kind of religion, even though most of my family is either very religious, or think they are...
I do sometimes like to ponder the idea of reencarnation and even believe that one of my past lives is the reason for my anti-catholic church views... I sometimes like to pull the legs of certain people and talk about how I worship the Greek Gods and how each provides me with a different strength and such and have found that it pisses a lot of people off, because the say there is only one god! and most of the time it is THEIR God! It is the one thing that has always PO'ed me about these really religious types, I have been verbally and morally attacked for my non-religious beliefs, and it is like hey so what, I don't agree with you, but that doesn't make you better.
One of my many philosophies is "hey, you can worship a blade of grass if you want, but don't get down on me or anyone else because we don't agree with your beliefs, don't try to push off your beliefs on other people, you can inform them of your beliefs and enlighten them ,but don't force it upoun them. And never do what you think is right for other people in the name of your god, because only bad things can happen..." and if you need an example of the last thing I said, check, oh I don't know, a
history book.
I'm going to dsave any future posters the trouble of saying I don't mean to offend anybody by saying, that noone should take offense to anything written in this post. It is a contriversial topic, and noone should have to fear that they can't write something because someone else might get mad. Just don't openly slander someone religion...
Anyway, back to what I was saying earlier, the people who aren't completely ignorant and rude about my "ancient pagen beliefs", take it as a joke, but I don't think it should be... After all what makes one god anymore real than another one? Native Americans believed that everything had a life force a spirit, and they were pretty much right...
I don't know what much else to say, I may just wait and see if anyone types something worht commenting on.
...still waiting for someone to tell us their unique beliefs if there is anyone... wicken, is kinda an upcoming religion. Do we have any witches?

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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:36 pm
by indianajdp
Prince Phillip wrote:
...still waiting for someone to tell us their unique beliefs if there is anyone... wicken, is kinda an upcoming religion. Do we have any witches?

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Well, quite often in my college days I prayed to the Porcelain God...is that kinda what you're looking for??
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:40 pm
by Prince Phillip
sure! anything different or unique... so is there somekinda story or something behind that?
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:46 pm
by indianajdp
Prince Phillip wrote:sure! anything different or unique... so is there somekinda story or something behind that?
hehehe...there are so MANY stories behind that.
But alas, this is a family-oriented forum
Basically it referes to...ummm...well, if you drink too much and have to run to the bathroom...sometimes you come out and tell folks you had to "Pray to the Porcelain God" =

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2003 9:06 pm
by Prince Phillip
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:04 am
by poco
good thread!!! Good to hear what is on other's minds when it comes to what they believe and how they show their beliefs. I find this facinating!!!
I would fit into the regular Christian tradition, although I would not consider myself a person that fits into the mold of what others think Christianity is to them. I'm suprised daily and saddened daily at how some others view what theirs and mine religion is (mostly we are both Christian but come from different denominations (methodist, baptist, Whiskypalians!...) and the "fighting" that goes along with it...meaning "you don't baptize this way?? Who can go to heaven and how to "get" into heaven... I'm more universal in my thinking and take a lot of my own spirituality (how I live out my faith) from varying religions. I lived in thailand for a year and have some Buddhist in me, as well as some Quan Yin religion (comes out of Buddhism). Some say I have some Tao in me. I like many of the rituals in the Catholic tradition so I'm pretty universal.
my title at this moment is Baptist, but very moderate to liberal....not Southern Baptists as many have probably already heard about Southern Baptists banned Mickey

,, although not all people who are Southern baptist ban mickey.
Poco
will write more later, but want to read at the moment...i like reading what everyone is saying!!!
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 8:26 am
by Porce
Prince Phillip wrote:Sulley wrote:"major 3"
I believe the term you're looking for is monotheistic, but I'm not offended or anything. I am a Christian, but I do enjoy hearing about others' beliefs.
Well, the 3 I listed all have similar roots, and really aren't anything
too different Where as Buddhism or Hindu, are very different. They are also major religions and I have studied them a bit this past school year, but others may know nothing about these. Also there may be monotheistic religions that we don't know about that aren't the three that I listed... but OK, I guess I would rather hear about some polytheistic or pegan beleifs...
But thanks, for showing an interest Sulley.

I am a Christian and I disagree with you--Islam and Judaism are completely different. Christianity is the only religion where you are saved by grace, not deeds.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:40 am
by Prince Phillip
I didn't mean they were the same but they all have the same roots... where as the other religions just aren't conected with them...
Quick note- Islam is one of the "newest" and quickest growing religions... acorrding to my World History class... so if you disagree, disagree with the schools
poco wrote:....not Southern Baptists as many have probably already heard about Southern Baptists banned Mickey

,, although not all people who are Southern baptist ban mickey.
I've never heard about that... I am intrigued... tell me more!

Please

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 11:53 am
by Disneykid
I myself am a devout Christian. Although I usually call myself Southern Baptist when people ask me what denomination I am, I think in essence I'm non-denominational because even with the Southern Baptist church (which I go to), there are things about it I disagree with such as the no dancing rule, no piercings or tattoos, no drinking, Harry Potter is evil, etc. My family's actually Catholic, though, and even though they let me go to a Southern Baptist private school and church, they don't know that I'm not Catholic. My mom says I'm Catholic because of my christening as a baby, but I don't care. There's just WAY too many things about the Catholic Church that I don't support (no offensive to Catholics here on the boards) such as claiming the pope is God in the flesh, having to do vain repetition of prayers to be forgiven, the entire idea of communion, having to do good deeds to be saved, etc. So I guess in the end I'm a non-denominational Christian.

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:24 pm
by Porce
Prince Phillip wrote:Quick note- Islam is one of the "newest" and quickest growing religions... acorrding to my World History class... so if you disagree, disagree with the schools
Islam grows so fast because Muslims have huge families. There wouldn't be too many converts for such an unappealing religion. "If Allah so wills..." I'm sorry, but you can never know if you've pleased Allah. That's why I consider all of the religions besides Christianity flawed, because there is no way of telling that you are saved or not.
THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 1:19 pm
by Choco Bear
Dacp wrote:Prince Phillip wrote:Quick note- Islam is one of the "newest" and quickest growing religions... acorrding to my World History class... so if you disagree, disagree with the schools
Islam grows so fast because Muslims have huge families. There wouldn't be too many converts for such an unappealing religion. "If Allah so wills..." I'm sorry, but you can never know if you've pleased Allah. That's why I consider all of the religions besides Christianity flawed, because there is no way of telling that you are saved or not.
THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY
islam isnt new at all it goes back so far so i disagreee with ur school

also not all muslims have large families also allah is god its the same but we call god by a differnt name so allah=god the same thing
and dacp wat do u mean by
unappealing religion
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:35 pm
by Porce
I said it already--I don't see why anyone would want to convert to Islam. Mohammed used Christianity as a tool to found his religion but there are a few flaws apparent in this. The religion uses deeds as a basis for salvation, and in fact, all religions besides Christianity do this. And if this were true, then God help me, because no one can be saved by deeds because we have all sinned. So I don't see why anyone would convert to a religion like that.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:36 pm
by Porce
Choco Bear wrote:Dacp wrote:Islam grows so fast because Muslims have huge families. There wouldn't be too many converts for such an unappealing religion. "If Allah so wills..." I'm sorry, but you can never know if you've pleased Allah. That's why I consider all of the religions besides Christianity flawed, because there is no way of telling that you are saved or not.
THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY
islam isnt new at all it goes back so far so i disagreee with ur school

also not all muslims have large families also allah is god its the same but we call god by a differnt name so allah=god the same thing
and dacp wat do u mean by
unappealing religion
Allah and God may be the same thing, but in the religions they are different characters. In Islam, Allah (God) will only save you if "he so wills." In Christianity, God saves you if you ask him to. Big difference.
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 2:55 pm
by Choco Bear
Dacp wrote:Choco Bear wrote:
islam isnt new at all it goes back so far so i disagreee with ur school

also not all muslims have large families also allah is god its the same but we call god by a differnt name so allah=god the same thing
and dacp wat do u mean by
unappealing religion
Allah and God may be the same thing, but in the religions they are different characters. In Islam, Allah (God) will only save you if "he so wills." In Christianity, God saves you if you ask him to. Big difference.
thats not true if u ask allah to save u he will where did u learn all ur stuff from and its like ur sayin that allah is mickey mouse and god is bugs bunny when really they are both mickey mouse they are exactly the same in character and everything(using somthing that might make it easier to understand)

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:32 pm
by Porce
Actually, you prove the opposite of what you are trying to say. First of all, the Koran says that you will be saved if "Allah so wills." The Bible says that Jesus will save you if you ask him to.
Second, Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are complete opposites.