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Hi
A little about the War Cartoons and the feature Victory Through Air Power perhaps?

How do you like the feature film VTAP?
Any special scene that you like or dislike?
Have you read the book it´s based upon?
Do you like the book in that case?

Which of the War short subjects do you enjoy or dislike most?
And why?

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I have a lot to say about this, but will not babble alone - so please someone start and let´s have a great discussion here

What was the book that the movie was based upon?

"Victory Through Air Power" perhaps?

^^^

Right after I posted that, I asked myself the the book would be called that, and if it was, then I would hit myself! *hits self*.

Ahh.. Well, there's another book to jump on!

2099net wrote:"Victory Through Air Power" perhaps?

Sorry, jabroni...that was too easy for 2099net and he was way too nice

oh...addressing the original questions.

I loved VTAP, but honestly don't have any specific scenes in mind...I'm just so happy to be getting this on a Treasures Tin in a few months. As for the book, I have not read it but I'm sure the release of the Tin will spark mine and others interest in that title.

I also in some way love the VTAP, it´s astonishing in it´s propaganda effort - but I´m afraid that all that now scream in joy that it will be included on the Treasure set this December, will be disappointed - if they not have seen it already of course.
Because it´s not at all like a "normal" Disney film.
In fact - someone that doesn´t know about it, hardly can say it´s Disney.
Some folks call it very boring - I have done it myself sometimes - but that´s only in comparision to the other Disney features.
When I read post here at the message board about that some of you doesn´t like Three Caballeros, Saludos Amigos, Make Mine Music and so on - because they are so different and strange in comparison to the other animated features - I´m almost certain that you will find this piece of Disney history boring.
It´s mostly talk by Mr. Seversky, interupted by some animated segments here and there.
But as I said before - the propaganda works - especially in the animated sequences.

Over to the book - Victory through air power, jabroni , I can´t remember reading a more boring book!
That the studio in the end could do a film of it, is the most interesting thing in all this. Walt´s belief in íts theme was so strong, so they succeeded in that task.
Disney spent a lot of money on it and he never got all that sum back, because the film was not a success and have never been re-released to the cinema after the WW II - such segments as the history of fligh have been cut out and released and shown in other occasions, but the film in whole has scarcly been viewed by many.

I ran across a video copy of the film last year and finally had a chance to see and own it, but it took me at least five viewings to appreciate the whole thing. It´s a hard film to digest, but incredible in that it´s came out of the Disney studio, that usually gave the audience more easy minded entertainments.

Please forgive me my bad english grammar - I´m not born into english as many of you here. I hope you understand my writing though!

I like your assessment of this one, Chernabog. True it is nothing like what most of us would expect from a Disney piece, but if you go into someting like this expecting to be entertained in the same manner as a Snow White or Babmbi it's going to be very disappointing. Personally I find it fascinating that Walt Disney undertook this project for the War Effort.

And on your English...it's not at all an easy language to learn.

Yeah, have you read some of our english lately ? Yours is really good considering it's not your first language?

I've never seen any of the war cartoons or VTAP, and didn't even know they existed until I saw Disney Through The Decades on Snow White, that or I may have seen it in a book recently.

Anyway, why isn't VTAP considered an animated classic, if the other are, you know which ones I'm talking about, surely this one should.

Prince Phillip wrote:I've never seen any of the war cartoons or VTAP, and didn't even know they existed until I saw Disney Through The Decades on Snow White, that or I may have seen it in a book recently.

Anyway, why isn't VTAP considered an animated classic, if the other are, you know which ones I'm talking about, surely this one should.

Its not an animated movie. Its a live action film that contains a couple of animated segments.

Maerj wrote:

Prince Phillip wrote:I've never seen any of the war cartoons or VTAP, and didn't even know they existed until I saw Disney Through The Decades on Snow White, that or I may have seen it in a book recently.

Anyway, why isn't VTAP considered an animated classic, if the other are, you know which ones I'm talking about, surely this one should.

Its not an animated movie. Its a live action film that contains a couple of animated segments.

Oh, ok, I didn't know that

But quick question, it may not be the same, but if I remember correctly, doesn't 3 cabelleros contain live action sequences, and yet it is considered an animated classic?

Disney spent a lot of money on it and he never got all that sum back, because the film was not a success and have never been re-released to the cinema after the WW II

Wasn't it co-funded by the US Govenment?

Wasn't it co-funded by the US Govenment?

No not VTAP
Almost all the other WW II efforts from the studio was sponsored by others, but this task Walt took upon himself to pay.

In this feature he also went against many things and opinions that the government wanted to spread throughout America.

Victory through air power was a (at that time) rather different approach to how the Americans could win the war - through dominance in air power.
THe Government was one of the ones that Seversky (and Disney) wanted to changed their minds in this business.
The government as much of all the americans at this time was feeling that the Navy or the Army should do the serious defense and attack on Japan and Germany - while Seversky and DIsney thought it could only be done by Aviation.
Consider that America didn´t had any Aviation Corps then!

Hello, I just joined the Forum. Great to see so much Disney DVD fans here. I just saw that Sombody wanted to know on which book VTAP was based. It is based on the book by Major Alexander Seversky. A major figure in the history of aviation. He wrote the book Victory Through Air Power.

But quick question, it may not be the same, but if I remember correctly, doesn't 3 cabelleros contain live action sequences, and yet it is considered an animated classic?

There is also more animation in Three Caballeros than in VTAP.
It wa also said a couple of years ago that this film will never be released to the home market due to it´s theme - DIsney considered this feature to be too insulting to the Germans and Japanese.
But now it will be released!
So maybe you folks in USA will have Song of the South released also in the future.
Because this is something that I have found out through the years - what Disney says is not to hold at 100 %!

They said that The Treasure sets should be availible ONLY one time (now it is rumours of them t be released again!)

VTAP should never be released again (now it will come this December)

Disney should all the time do family entertainment (they satarted Touchstone and Hollywood and avoided that statement!)

Understand me right, I don´t disagree with this things - I like that they could change their minds, the things that I don´t like is that they in this behaviour upset people that afterwards feel cheated, when the promises they heard not are fulfilled.

That´s the worst with the DIsney company these days, but in general they are as good as ever.

Welcome Plane Crazy

Welcome Plane Crazy! Where in the Netherlands are you from? Do you know people with these last names:

Nijman
Nyman
Veenstra
Veldhuis
Rensink
Hakesteegt
Kolkman
Ebbers
Wemekemp
Zelstra
Mulder

All four of my grandparents are from the Netherlands, and we live in a very heavily Dutch-populated community here in Canada. Sorry to bother you with a whole bunch of names!

Thank's for your welcome Chernabog and Prince Adam.

I only know the name Veenstra, a frend of mine is called Eelco Veenstra, and lives in a place called Hoorn. Did you already see VTAP. Because Disney never released it. And I only know about the movie from the Disney books I have. I can't wait to see the movie on DVD. I also enjoyed "the reluctant dragon". It was great to see the Disney studio's in the times of Fantasia, and Bambi. (that's why I also enjoy the Disney Treasures boxes so much)

That´s correct - The Studio never released it officially.
But the last years a copy, recorded from a special broadcast of the film - have been circulated among Disney-film-collectors.
I bought my copy like that. Nad have seen it a couple of times by now.
Also I looking forward to have this feature in DVD quality.