mvealf wrote: When I compared it to my laserdisc, there was quite a bit of picture on the top and bottom missing from the DVD. I always want the original presentation, but I think in some cases the original film was made with the intention of simply unmatting it for video release. I don't think a director would purposly frame the characters with their heads chopped off. Maybe I'm being too picky, but I found it annoying. Or perhaps it was only shown at 1.66 in the theaters and it has been matted too much on the DVD at 1.85. If the matted picture looked properly framed, I wouldn't mind at all.
I havent seen the open matte or widescreen versions of Freaky Friday so i would be commenting blindly.
Open matte films seem to create olots of problems on video transfers so I'll try to add something from my perspective as a former projectionist
So this is not particular to Freaky Friday but to movies and discs in general, maybe affecting the standart Widescreen ones more so.
There could be two things (or "phenomena"

) happening:
One thing: Improper framing/matting/zoomboxing in the transfers
Another thing: Psychovisual phenomena
lets go hypothesise for a while, ok
1- Ok lets assume Freaky Friday (or any other Standart Widescreen 1.66-1.75 film) was shot "open matte" in Academy ratio (1.375) cameras.
One thing that could happen (As it did in Hitchcock's Psycho and the aformentioned Back To The Futures,) is that not ALL shots are in Academy or can be shown in Academy without booms, effects, dolly tracks or black bars showing up. so those shots are zoomed and /pan/scanned on the open matte version.
Then there's this thing called TV, (NTSC Video), that has 1/9th to one 1/16th the size and detail of 35mm film, So lets say the telecine transfer technician has a Full Academy Open Matte 0.600" x 0.825" inch (15.24mm x 20.96mm) 1.375 aspect ratio film element that was projected (or composed, will get to that later) for Standart Widescreen, lets say Disney ratio 1.75, inside that at 0.471" x 0.825" (11.97mm x 20.96mm). So a shot that had 1200 pixels of resolution and clarity is gonna be reproduced at 300 pixels in open matte video. The Technitian may say on no we won't be able to see the action with enough clarity, so he zooms it a little more than using the full 100% frame (specially since he has so much empty space above and below) So it's not a real pan/scan job, but it's not a full frame job either (There's nothing or none or no reason making him or telling him: you have to preserve 100% of the open matte area cus, well cus, mmm why? 100% open matte is wrong, pan/scan is wrong, just do what looks best for the current transfer.
So maybe the "open matte" ends up being variously zoomed /pan scanned up down sideways 10% here 20% there 0 % over there , etc. or maybe a fixed ammount all through the movie.
Now comes the widescren version. If it's done just letterboxing (matting) the existing video master, the black bars and rectangular shape might be "correct" but the image inside it is wrong! It wont be the same as matting the 100% area Academic Open matte print.
Back to the Future is an example of this happening. I don't know what happens in deep telecine caverns but mistakes are made, sometimes by the simple reason a person doesn't know what's gone on before. Do all telecine operators know a film may supposed to be 1.75 or 1.66 instead of the USA ratio of 1.85? (In the Theater chain I worked once, (the biggest in the State) not ONE projectionist, manager, or employee knew about that.) If they ever projected a 1.66 film, and heads would be chopped, they would have thought it was the print that was wrong and used the Frame knob (more about it later) to try fix it instead of asking for a different lens
I've have 2 "Open Matte" full frame versions of Psycho. One is done "correctly", showing 100% of the Academic image area (including black bars at the bottom covering camera tracks and parts of the girl's body in the shower put there by Hitchcock) (it's one of the early VHS) and the other (a Laserdisc) has these scenes and most of the movie zoomed in more. If you widescreened the second transfer, it would look wrong. The first one i letterboxed with a video switcher to 1.85 and looks perfect.
But lets say, the widescreen transfer is a new one. From scratch. Who says something like this wont be happening? In fact it has happened several times. (One recent example, for one NON Open Matte film, is Sleeping Beauty. They are cropping (zoomboxing it) at least 7%, maybe even 12%). So maybe a new widescreen transfer is zoomboxed to get a little more "clarity" (even a 16:9 1.75 DVD has just 1/8 the clarity of the real 35mm film you know..). Or they just screw it unknowingly.
Freaky Friday being Disney, may been in 1.75, add 10% zoomboxing, plus improper by ignorance of fim history 1.85 strict letterboxing and you have an 1.75 composed film loosing 15% of it's vertical image. (For example a 9 inch full head shot looses almost an inch and a half of the head there.)
Oh and if you watch a Widesceren disc on a Widescreen TV that on top of that has Overscan, you might loose another inch of head there and now you're seeing just 3/4 of the head!
Of course i'm not saying that's whats happening on Freaky Friday since I have'nt seen the disc.
But if it looks very wrong on widescreen disc and the disc was transfered correctly, that would mean it looked that bad on the theaters!, which it's unlikely (i mean on a correcty set up theater, a bad theater can screw anything like mvealf says here:
mvealf wrote:I have even seen a movie in the theater where they masked it incorrectly, they chopped everything off the bottom and nothing from the top.
Either that theater is all screwed, or that film was projected in the incorrect ratio. So if they put an Academy 1.375 film (or even a 1.66 film) through a 1.85 lens it just blows up the center part, then the projectionist all he can do is use The Frame Knob to bring the upper half down so to not chop the heads
I don't think the cameraman or director would frame things for a theathical film so they look bad on theaters but good on video, that is never done, even Kubrick films. (there might be errors made by less able filmakers but those are that: errors, not by design) Otherwise those films would have ended up having to be projected like that atrocity mvealf mentioned.
2-Now we go to the second phenomenon: Psychovisuals. When you look at something on a smaller TV at home, be it letterboxed or widescreened, the effect is very different than in the cinema, a 20 foot tall head that you have to look up and down or scan with your eyes becomes a 10" to 20" head you watch from a distance of 10 feet almost fixed on your vision, You are more aware of its borders or "limits" cus you can quickly flick your eyes around it and you're seeing it all at once, intead of being overpowered by it, and therefore observing it more analitycally than just being inmersed on the storyline and it's emotions (thats why mmm the video experience is sometimes so different than in the theater, thank God surround sound can be better and wider at home to compensate ;P)
A shot that doesn't seem tight in a huge theater scren might lookto be too tightly framed in the more compact TV (or Plasma) screen. (I think this phenomenon is what Disneykid was reffering too also)
Another part of this phychovisual impressions could happen when we watch an Open matte version first, or for a long time, then we see the letterboxed version> We know there's more image, we've SEEN this image, and now it's gone. So we might have gotten used to it and we might feel the widescreen is cutting something. (Well. it is! ) But apart from the transfer really being wrong, we might feel unconfortable for a while till we get reused to it being in the proper composition.
I'll add a couple things more about transfers and projections.. Things on a theater are fixed more or less, the theater is supposed to be properly set up, and after the theater is built the lens and screen sizes chosen, there's almost nothing a Projectionist can do to alter those things (Well he can, if he knows they're wrong, by making the screen be replaced or getting a different lens

) But what i mean, the movie is designed by the cameraman/director and it's fixed. Ahh but there is one control that is given to the projectionist (apart from being able to unfocus the film to hell that is

): The Frame Knob.
The frame knob can be used as a cheap fix for all this standart Widescreen ratio 1.66-1.85 differences (but not gross errors like 1.375 composed films being projected in Widescreens) (The Frame Knob's actual function is for small variations on screen to projector distance/lens combinations, they are not always spot on from theater to theater you know). If you have a different aspect ratio film like 1.66 on a 1.85 theater, you project the film you check heads you move frame up or down. but then the bottom will be slighly wrong. DVD owners (or TVs) don't have a frame knob.
(Cinemascope/Panavision films are a different story, if you move the frame up or down more than a bit, you start seeing, first: negative splice marks, then: the next frame above or below. In fact the splice marks are the up/down limits of the current 2.40 (now 2.39) vertical image, If you see a movie projected (or a DVD) in true 2.35 (the aspect ratio there is narrower cus the image is taller) you're supposed to see splice lines, if you dont see them, unless digitally removed, they are cropping the film ertically to 2.40 (Which is why they changed Cinemascope from 2.35 to 2.40: to prevent the splice lines being visible) (So if a DVD says "2.35" and/or is 2.35 wide and you dont see splices it's been cropped twice: first vertically to 2.40 to eliminate the splices, then horizontally to make it "again" be "2.35", it's not much but youre already loosing a little more than 4% of the original Cinemascope 2.35 image)
And there's another possibility: which is what mvealf is suggesting: That Freaky Friday was designed and shot as a TV movie then given theatrical release. If they kept the heads (or the vertical composed area) within the extreme TV Safe Title limits (20%) it can be projected at a maximum of 1.71.
Letterboxing at 1.85 would be too extreme for that
Widescreening at 1.66 would been better choice then.
I've seen video widescreen transfers of standart Widescreen movies that seem too loose and I've seen ones that look too tight. I really wish the last frame of a DVD was a frame showing the RP-40 Projectionist Aligment film proving the transfer used the correct dimensions
I'll tell two more anectdotes or experiences
one: Of all the movies I projected, only one proved "problematic" It was a eddie murphy cop movie dont remember the number

. I found that on the 1.85 screen if the image was centered, there was lots and lots of empty space above the heads making the movie look misframed, odd, and boring, so i tried to use the Frame Knob and move things up . At first a little. Then after a couple of times making sure no scene in the movie had chopped heads, a lot more. but then the bottom looked wrong. It made me think the director overprotected his framing a lot. Like for a 2.00:1 ratio. Maybe he was aiming for 70mm blow up prints?
Moral of this anecdote: even tho I projected lots of prints in different aspect ratios (Scope 2.40, Scope 2.39, Standart Widescreen 166, 1.75, 1,85, and even some Academy 1.375) 99.9% of them projected correctly on their standart ratios (since I had my screens correctly set up and used lenses for each) so all were shot correctly for those ratios, therefore, when i see a transfer on video looking wrong I inmediatly suspect the telecine operator framing or zooming the thing incorrectly (He's the equivalent of the Projectionist in a sense. He projects on TV equipment.)
two: In a Film Festival It happened to be that one film I was showing came with the director included

he came to me and complained that his movie was wider, that i was cutting off the sides. Well I wasn't! His movie was being projected in all its full 0.825" (20,96mm) width. But the director kept insisting It was wider and couldn't I make it wider? So in trying to explain I was actually showing all of its width, that i had carefully selected lenses and filed down the Projector aperture till it showed all the 0.825" width on the screen and I couldnt make it any wider, I even showed him the diagrams I had made for each screen in the theater (with photocopies of the RP-40 image with red magic marker delineating what you saw on each screen) But still he wasn't convinced he swore he had more image at the sides that he'd always seen the movie wider, So in "desesperation" trying to please him (or assure him that the audience was seeing all his precious width), I pulled out the Projector aperture plate and of course all that showed was the optical soundtrack image on the left of the screen and even some part of the sprocket holes! (And the "open matte" Academy image spilling up above the curtains and down into the theater seats and floor below.) He then was convinced and very happy when he realized he was seeing his film correctly projected for the first time in his life I guess. I supoose he either saw it before in screens that made it look "wider" even possibly incorrrectly labeled "1.85" screens that were cropping lots more vertically than they should, like 2.00 screens used in some bad theaters to show both Scope 2.40 and 1.85 films with one same screen, so maybe he was used to see the movie with a lot less of the bottom??
Moral: sometimes the people who should know, don't!
Maybe both directors wanted 70mm blow ups!
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I want 2000 x 5000 23:9 displays with Frame Knobs.. uuhh.. maybe I should get a 35mm projector and be done with it
