I couldn't agree more. I was just stating this wasn't a totally original story. I failed to mention that no story is. But I did say it's very imaginative, and I give credit where credit's due.Prince Eric wrote:The only way to make them original is to add new twists to them, or combine them, or disguise them to where the public and critics think what they're seeing is original.
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Miyazaki films are anime though, you said similiar things that dvdjunkie has said about disliking the story, the high voices, and the animation being stiff for some reason. Seems to me you were agreeing with dvdjunkie's opinions (not saying you were agreeing with everything he said). FYI, all anime is stiff, but that's just a style. I realize you said you can look past the animation if the story and the voices are better, but all Miyazake movies have a similiar style (stories may be different, but they all have a similiar style about them). It's just like watching M. Knight Shyamalan movies or Stephen King movies, the stories are different, but you can kind of tell that you're watching a M. Knight Shyamalan movie or a Stephen King movie (based on his book), because there is a certain style about them. What I like about anime, (as I mentioned before) that there are all different kinds of stories and I feel like I'm watching a movie. There are even differenent styles in anime itself because they tend to catorgize their animations, just like american movies, like action, sci-fi, drama, romance, comedy, etc. You don't necessarily have to watch just his movies, but his films are very high quality compared to most anime that are out there.DisneyFan 2000 wrote:How so? I don't judge anime, my comment was strictly pointed towards Spirited Away.
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So, what does that supposed to mean? How much anime have you seen? Have you seen any of the anime that I've listed? Those aren't even all the anime I've seen (the're just a fraction). What really annoys me are people that judge something that they know nothing or very little about, "judging a book by its cover." dvdjunkie still hasn't answered my question, did he like Spirited Away or not? And he's not going to answer my question, you know why? Because he doesnt' know how to answere it.DisneyFan 2000 wrote:It's like speaking to a wall, isn't it?
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Maybe they're right biganimefan. Maybe Spirited Away really is overrated. Oh, wait, I know: the script would have been SO much better if someone like George Lucas would have co-authored it! After all, he's a GENIUS! A genius I tell you!biganimefan wrote:So, what does that supposed to mean? How much anime have you seen? Have you seen any of the anime that I've listed? Those aren't even all the anime I've seen (the're just a fraction). What really annoys me are people that judge something that they know nothing or very little about, "judging a book by its cover." dvdjunkie still hasn't answered my question, did he like Spirited Away or not? And he's not going to answer my question, you know why? Because he doesnt' know how to answere it.DisneyFan 2000 wrote:It's like speaking to a wall, isn't it?
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I would have to say the Spirited Away is overated. The only reason is because everyone knows of it but yet Castle in the Sky, Nausicaa, and others are unkown. But besides that, Spirited Away is not overated.Prince Eric wrote: Maybe they're right biganimefan. Maybe Spirited Away really is overrated. Oh, wait, I know: the script would have been SO much better if someone like George Lucas would have co-authored it! After all, he's a GENIUS! A genius I tell you!
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DisneyFan 2000, I wasn't trying to be all in your face about how great anime is, I was trying to say there are different varieties in anime like American movies and how Miyazake films are all high quality that well deserved the Oscar for Spirited Away. In my opinion, he should've won an Oscar long before than Spirited Away (all his movies have been successful, but not so much in the western world).
Nausicaa has been released before, but it was titled "Warriors of the Wind," http://www.autofish.net/shrines/nausicaa/wotw.html and much edited version compared to the newer release for some reason. That was probably one of the first anime I saw. I think Castleinthesky is right, not many Americans have heard of it.
I don't think Spirited Away is overated here in the states. A lot of Americans probably have heard of a foreign animated film winning an Oscar, but that doesn't neccessarily mean people know what it's about (or even heard of Miyazake). Miyazake still has a small following here in the states (Howl is not even playing in my area, and I live close to a city, I have to drive to a bigger city). I think it will be awhile before Americans would be familiar with his movies and who Miyazake is, but I could be wrong I'm not sure, any thoughts?
Nausicaa has been released before, but it was titled "Warriors of the Wind," http://www.autofish.net/shrines/nausicaa/wotw.html and much edited version compared to the newer release for some reason. That was probably one of the first anime I saw. I think Castleinthesky is right, not many Americans have heard of it.
I don't think Spirited Away is overated here in the states. A lot of Americans probably have heard of a foreign animated film winning an Oscar, but that doesn't neccessarily mean people know what it's about (or even heard of Miyazake). Miyazake still has a small following here in the states (Howl is not even playing in my area, and I live close to a city, I have to drive to a bigger city). I think it will be awhile before Americans would be familiar with his movies and who Miyazake is, but I could be wrong I'm not sure, any thoughts?
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Sad that after winning an Oscar the man can still only get 200 screens in the US for his next film.Some fun statistics
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Howl's Moving Castle continues to lose theaters, this past weekend the movie was screened in 133 theaters, 44 fewer than the previous weekend. It earned $149,368, bringing it's box office total up to $4,151,839.
Comparatively, the movie earned US$7,670,422 in five weeks in France (opening in in the number 1 spot), going on to earn close to US$9 million total.
In Hong Kong, a city of only 7 million inhabitants, Howl's Moving Castle earned US$2,855,091 in five weeks. It also opened in first place in Hong Kong.
In South Korean it earned US$16,034,588 in the first five weeks and went on to earn almost $19 million. 3 million people, six percent of the population, saw the movie in theaters.
If Howl's Moving Castle had performed as well in North America as it had in either Hong Kong or South Korea, it would have earned over $100 million in its first five weeks here.
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Yes it is really sad. Disney should of at least given the movie at least 1000 screens. It really makes no sense. Miyazaki has proven himself, but I guess it dosn't count. It is also really sad when the majority of the population would rather go see Madagascar, Robots, and Are we there yet? instead of Howl's Moving Castle.Little Red Henski wrote: Sad that after winning an Oscar the man can still only get 200 screens in the US for his next film.
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Are you sure about that? The majority of the population don't even know Howl's Moving Castle exist. Who is going to see a film they know nothing about.castleinthesky wrote:It is also really sad when the majority of the population would rather go see Madagascar, Robots, and Are we there yet? instead of Howl's Moving Castle.
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Yes, but a majority of the population likes 3d better than 2d, believes Shrek and Nemo are the best animated movies ever, and thinks all anime is stupid. So I just inferred.Little Red Henski wrote:Are you sure about that? The majority of the population don't even know Howl's Moving Castle exist. Who is going to see a film they know nothing about.castleinthesky wrote:It is also really sad when the majority of the population would rather go see Madagascar, Robots, and Are we there yet? instead of Howl's Moving Castle.
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I thought I read somewhere (after Spirited Away) he was taking his films in 3D with coloring it to look 2D, sort of like Titan AE.castleinthesky wrote: Yes, but a majority of the population likes 3d better than 2d, believes Shrek and Nemo are the best animated movies ever, and thinks all anime is stupid. So I just inferred.
There's not enough marketing for Miyazake films for some reason.
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I wouldn't really worry about the statistics for his movies here in the states, as long as his movies are doing well in Asia is what's more important. Miyazake himself has said that too that he is more concerned about how well his films turn out in Asia then the US. Also, Summer season (especially August) isn't really the best time to go to the movies.
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