Howl's Moving Castle

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:46 am

What I meant was, don't start braking my post and tell me how wrong I am and how I don't understand how genius it is. Also, I can look past the animation if the voices and story are better. That's why I'm giving Howl a chance.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:20 am

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:Also, I can look past the animation if the voices and story are better. That's why I'm giving Howl a chance.

You might want to check out his other movies like Princess Mononoke and Castle of Cagliostro (though all his movies are worth seeing).

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:30 am

I plan on doing so. Problem is, we don't have them for rent here, which means I'll have to blind-buy those movies.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:57 am

I forgot about Nausicaa. That one has more adult theme too.

n69n · Post by **n69n** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:04 pm

i loved this movie, cried @ the end when turniphead was revealed!

i think grandma sophie is one of miyazaki's best characters; i lvoed how, when she was young, she was quiet & stoic, but when she was old, she became outspoken, brave & suddenly had a sense of humor!!!

loved loved loved it!

Little Red Henski · Post by **Little Red Henski** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:13 pm

biganimefan wrote:I forgot about Nausicaa. That one has more adult theme too.

You also forgot Porco Rosso his most "adult" film.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:49 am

Little Red Henski wrote: You also forgot Porco Rosso his most "adult" film.

All his films have some sort of adult themes. "Porco Rosso," "Princess Mononoke" and "Nausicaa" all have the most adult themes with Studio Ghibli, but his most adult film is actually "Castle of Cagliostro." Most of it has to do with the language.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:25 am

I haven't seen Howl yet, so I'm not sure if it is more adult.

Little Red Henski · Post by **Little Red Henski** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 11:05 am

biganimefan wrote:
All his films have some sort of adult themes. "Porco Rosso," "Princess Mononoke" and "Nausicaa" all have the most adult themes with Studio Ghibli,

Actually the Isao Takahata films are the most "adult" Studio Ghibli films. Only Yesterday is the most "adult" animated film I've seen.

biganimefan wrote:but his most adult film is actually "Castle of Cagliostro." Most of it has to do with the language.

The profanity in the Castle of Cagliostro DVD was added into the dub by the US dubbing company. The profanity doesn't exist in the orignal Japanese script.

Prince Eric · Post by **Prince Eric** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:07 pm

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:What I meant was, don't start braking my post and tell me how wrong I am and how I don't understand how genius it is. Also, I can look past the animation if the voices and story are better. That's why I'm giving Howl a chance.

Well, you really gained credibility here. Yeah, the most important thing in a movie are the VOICES, people!

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:13 pm

Why are you being cynical? It bothers me, so it's important. To each his own. Maybe voice acting means nothing to you, but I'd like to keep my capability of hearing after a movie.

Prince Eric · Post by **Prince Eric** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:48 pm

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:Why are you being cynical? It bothers me, so it's important. To each his own. Maybe voice acting means nothing to you, but I'd like to keep my capability of hearing after a movie.

So let me get this straight, Spirited Away didn't deserve the Academy Award because the voices weren't to YOUR liking? Maybe Chiro had a high voice because she was a little girl. That was the only high voice in the film, besides the baby, which was understandable.

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 1:51 pm

Quote me saying it didn't deserve an award! Once again you assume things about me just because my taste is quite different from yours.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:50 pm

Little Red Henski, I was talking about the animations that Miyazake produced. I know there are different animators for Studio Ghibli.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:37 pm

Little Red Henski wrote:The profanity in the Castle of Cagliostro DVD was added into the dub by the US dubbing company. The profanity doesn't exist in the orignal Japanese script.

You could be right about the language, it's been awhile since I've seen Lupin.

biganimefan · Post by **biganimefan** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:03 pm

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:Quote me saying it didn't deserve an award! Once again you assume things about me just because my taste is quite different from yours.

Your attitude towards anime is very similiar to dvdjunkie.

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:53 am

How so? I don't judge anime, my comment was strictly pointed towards Spirited Away.

Prince Eric · Post by **Prince Eric** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 12:39 pm

DisneyFan 2000 wrote:How so? I don't judge anime, my comment was strictly pointed towards Spirited Away.

You basically dismissed the movie because of its voice cast, and to a lesser extent, its story (considered one of the most original and provocative plots in the history of animated cinema), therefore implying it didn't deserve the 2002 Oscar. I'm sure your opinion is valid, as there were probably members of the Academy who felt the same way and voted for Ice Age instead.

Disney-Fan · Post by **Disney-Fan** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:23 pm

Prince Eric wrote:You basically dismissed the movie because of its voice cast,

No, it distracted from the experience. It definetly was not the reason I dismissed this movie.

Prince Eric wrote:and to a lesser extent, its story (considered one of the most original and provocative plots in the history of animated cinema),

Well, if I don't judge the story, what else is left to judge? I mean, the story is the heart of the movie. But then again, what do I know? Besides, the way I see it, this was just another girl gets lost and has to deal with life alone kinda story. A good plot indeed, but most original? Na...

Prince Eric wrote:therefore implying it didn't deserve the 2002 Oscar.

On the contrary. For sheer imagination and visual beauty alone it deserved this Oscar. My dislike for the picture doesn't mean I don't think it was worthy of an award, especially not the Oscar (though I wish Brother Bear would get more recognition

).

Prince Eric wrote:I'm sure your opinion is valid, as there were probably members of the Academy who felt the same way and voted for Ice Age instead.

I don't think they voted for Ice Age. Any way, with this I'll agree. Every one's opinion is as much as valid as mine, otherwise we wouldn't be having this debate, would we?

And for the record, I don't like Ice Age much either. Spirited Away is leaps and bounds better, no doubt.

Prince Eric · Post by **Prince Eric** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:56 pm

Prince Eric wrote:and to a lesser extent, its story (considered one of the most original and provocative plots in the history of animated cinema),

Well, if I don't judge the story, what else is left to judge? I mean, the story is the heart of the movie. But then again, what do I know? Besides, the way I see it, this was just another girl gets lost and has to deal with life alone kinda story. A good plot indeed, but most original? Na...

So how many of these lost-girl stories take place in a bathouse?

People need to get over themselves and face facts: all plots have been done before! The only way to make them original is to add new twists to them, or combine them, or disguise them to where the public and critics think what they're seeing is original.

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