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Spent some time Trying to figure out how Disney will release all of thier Disney shorts. I though many here might like to look at it, I think i probably got it pretty close. Well here it is. Feel free to correct anything, and oh I used The Encyclopedia of Disney Animated Shorts http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/ to help me create this. I think most of these will be released by Dec 2007.

Oswald the lucky Rabit (1927-1928) (May not get released all are silent b&w)
Year Short Name
1927 Trolley Troubles
1927 Oh, Teacher
1927 The Mechanical Cow
1927 Great Guns
1927 All Wet
1927 The Ocean Hop
1927 The Banker's Daughter
1927 Empty Socks
1927 Rickety Gin
1928 Africa Before Dark
1928 Bright Lights
1928 Harem Scarem
1928 Hot Dog
1928 Hungry Hoboes
1928 Neck 'n' Neck
1928 Oh, What a Knight
1928 Ozzie of the Mounted
1928 Poor Papa
1928 Ride'em Plow Boy
1928 Rival Romeos
1928 Sagebrush Sadie
1928 Sky Scrappers
1928 Sleigh Bells
1928 Tall Timber
1928 The Fox Chase
1928 The Ol' Swimmin' Hole

Alice & and Julius
(if ever released probably on a 3 disc set, all are b&w and silent)
Year Short Name
1923 Alice's Wonderland
1924 Alice's Day at Sea
1924 Alice's Spooky Adventure
1924 Alice's Wild West Show
1924 Alice's Fishy Story
1924 Alice and the Dog Catcher
1924 Alice the Peacemaker
1924 Alice Gets in Dutch
1924 Alice Hunting in Africa
1924 Alice and the Three Bears
1924 Alice the Piper
1925 Alice Cans the Cannibals
1925 Alice the Toreador
1925 Alice Gets Stung
1925 Alice's Egg Plant
1925 Alice Solves the Puzzle
1925 Alice Loses Out
1925 Alice is Stage Struck
1925 Alice Wins the Derby
1925 Alice Picks the Champ
1925 Alice's Tin Pony
1925 Alice Chops the Suey
1925 Alice the Jail Bird
1925 Alice Plays Cupid
1925 Alice Rattled by Rats
1925 Alice in the Jungle
1926 Alice on the Farm
1926 Alice's Orphan
1926 Alice's Little Parade
1926 Alice's Mysterious Mystery
1926 Alice Charms the Fish
1926 Alice's Monkey Business
1926 Alice in the Wooly West
1926 Alice the Fire Fighter
1926 Alice Cuts the Ice
1926 Alice Helps the Romance
1926 Alice's Spanish Guitar
1926 Alice's Brown Derby
1926 Alice the Lumber Jack
1927 Alice the Golf Bug
1927 Alice Foils the Pirates
1927 Alice at the Carnival
1927 Alice at the Rodeo
1927 Alice the Collegiate
1927 Alice in the Alps
1927 Alice's Auto Race
1927 Alice's Circus Daze
1927 Alice's Knaughty Knight
1927 Alice's Three Bad Eggs
1927 Alice's Picnic
1927 Alice's Channel Swim
1927 Alice in the Klondike
1927 Alice's Medicine Show
1927 Alice the Whaler
1927 Alice the Beach Nut
1927 Alice in the Big League

Disney Assorted 1 & 2
(1 has been announced for release in the end of 2004, other than the two mentioned Ben&Me and Donald in mathland) I have no idea which will end up on each volume.

Year Short Name
1948 Johnny Appleseed
1950 The Brave Engineer
1952 Lambert the Sheepish Lion
1952 Susie the Little Blue Coupe
1953 Melody
1953 Toot, Whistle, Plunk and Boom
1958 Paul Bunyan
2000 John Henry
1930 Autumn     
1932 King Neptune     
1938 Ferdinand the Bull     
1943 Figaro and Cleo
1944 The Pelican and the Snipe
1946 Bath Day     
1946 The Martins and the Coys     
1947 Figaro and Frankie
1950 Morris the Midget Moose
1951 Chicken in the Rough
1951 How to Catch a Cold
1952 The Little House
1952 Two Chips and a Miss
1953 Ben and Me
1953 Football (Now and Then)
1954 Pigs Is Pigs     
1954 Social Lion     
1954 The Lone Chipmunks     
1956 A Cowboy Needs a Horse
1956 Hooked Bear
1956 In the Bag
1956 Jack and Old Mac
1957 The Story of Anyburg, U.S.A.     
1957 The Truth About Mother Goose
1959 Donald in Mathmagic Land     
1959 Noah's Ark
1960 Goliath 2
1961 The Saga of Windwagon Smith
1962 A symposium on popular songs
1965 Freewayphobia     
1965 Goofy's Freeway Trouble     
1967 Scrooge McDuck and Money
1978 the small one
1987 Sport Goofy in Soccermania

Mickey Black and White Volume 2
Slated for Release in December 2004 total of 39 shots (my guesses)
Year Short Name
1928 The Barn Dance
1929 Haunted House     
1929 Jungle Rhythm     
1929 Mickey's Choo-Choo     
1929 The Barnyard Battle    
1929 The Jazz Fool     
1929 The Opry House     
1929 The Plow Boy     
1929 When the Cat's Away
1930 Just Mickey     
1930 Minnie's Yoo Hoo     
1930 The Barnyard Concert     
1930 The Cactus Kid     
1930 The Picnic     
1930 The Shindig     
1930 Wild Waves     
1931 Fishin' Around     
1931 The Barnyard Broadcast     
1931 The Beach Party     
1931 The Castaway     
1931 The Delivery Boy     
1931 The Moose Hunt     
1931 Traffic Troubles     
1932 Barnyard Olympics     
1932 Mickey in Arabia     
1932 Mickey's Good Deed     
1932 Musical Farmer     
1932 The Grocery Boy     
1932 The Mad Dog     
1932 The Wayward Canary     
1932 Trader Mickey     
1933 Mickey's Mechanical Man
1933 Mickey's Mellerdrammer
1933 Mickey's PalPluto
1933 The Steeple-Chase
1934 Mickey Plays Papa
1934 Playful Pluto
1934 Shanghaied
1935 Mickey's Kangaroo
1935 Mickey's Man Friday

Complete Pluto
Slated for Release in Dec 2004 Total of 46 eps (Same as goofy) my guesses of course

Year Short Name
1937 Pluto's Quin-puplets
1940 Bone Trouble     
1940 Pantry Pirate     
1941 A Gentleman's Gentleman     
1941 Canine Caddy     
1941 Lend a Paw     
1941 Pluto's Playmate     
1942 T-Bone for Two
1942 The Sleepwalker
1942 Pluto, Junior
1942 Pluto at the Zoo
1943 Pluto and the Armadillo
1944 First Aiders
1944 Springtime for Pluto
1945 Canine Casanova      
1945 Canine Patrol      
1945 Dog Watch      
1945 The Legend of Coyote Rock      
1946 The Purloined Pup     
1946 Squatter's Rights     
1946 A Feather in his Collar     
1946 In Dutch     
1946 Pluto's Kid Brother     
1947 Mail Dog
1947 Pluto's Blue Note
1947 Pluto's House Warming
1947 Rescue Dog
1948 Bone Bandit
1948 Cat Nap Pluto
1948 Pluto's Fledgling
1948 Pluto's Purchase
1949 Pluto's Surprise Package
1949 Pluto's Sweater
1949 Bubble Bee
1949 Pueblo Pluto
1949 Sheep Dog
1950 Camp Dog
1950 Food for Feudin'
1950 Pests of the West
1950 Pluto and the Gopher
1950 Pluto's Heart Throb
1950 Primitive Pluto
1950 Puss-Café
1950 Wonder Dog
1951 Cold Turkey
1951 Cold Storage

Donald 1942-1947
Guess should be Released in Dec 2005
32 Shorts

Year Short Name
1942 Bellboy Donald
1942 Donald's Garden
1942 Donald's Goldmine
1942 Donald's Snow Fight
1942 The Village Smithy
1943 Donald's Tire Trouble
1943 Flying Jalopy
1944 Contrary Condor
1944 Donald Duck and the Gorilla
1944 Donald's Off Day
1944 The Plastics Inventor
1944 Trombone Trouble
1945 Cured Duck      
1945 Donald's Crime      
1945 Duck Pimples      
1945 No Sail      
1945 Old Sequoia      
1945 The Clock Watcher      
1945 The Eyes Have It       T
1946 Donald's Double Trouble     
1946 Dumbell of the Yukon     
1946 Frank Duck Brings 'em Back Alive     
1946 Lighthouse Keeping     
1946 Wet Paint     
1947 Bootle Beetle
1947 Chip an' Dale
1947 Clown of the Jungle
1947 Crazy with the Heat
1947 Donald's Dilemma
1947 Sleepy Time Donald
1947 Straight Shooters
1947 Wide Open Spaces

Donald 1948-1951
Guess releasing in Dec 2006 28 Shorts

Year Short Name
1948 Daddy Duck
1948 Donald's Dream Voice
1948 Drip Dippy Donald
1948 Inferior Decorator
1948 Soup's On
1948 Tea for Two Hundred
1948 The Trial of Donald Duck
1948 Three for Breakfast
1949 All in a Nutshell
1949 Donald's Happy Birthday
1949 Honey Harvester
1949 Sea Salts
1949 Slide, Donald, Slide
1949 The Greener Yard
1949 Toy Tinkers
1949 Winter Storage
1950 Bee at the Beach
1950 Crazy Over Daisy
1950 Hook Lion and Sinker
1950 Lion Around
1950 Out on a Limb
1950 Trailer Horn
1951 Bee on Guard
1951 Corn Chips
1951 Dude Duck
1951 Lucky Number
1951 Out of Scale
1951 Test Pilot Donald

Donald 1952-1965
Guess will Release in 2007
26 shorts while some are longer than regular

Year Short Name
1952 Donald Applecore
1952 Let's Stick Together
1952 Trick or Treat
1952 Uncle Donald's Ants
1953 Canvas Back Duck
1953 Don's Fountain of Youth
1953 Rugged Bear
1953 The New Neighbor
1953 Working for Peanuts
1954 Donald's Diary     
1954 Dragon Around     
1954 Grand Canyonscope     
1954 Grin and Bear It     
1954 Spare the Rod
1954 The Flying Squirrel     
1955 Bearly Asleep     
1955 Beezy Bear     
1955 No Hunting     
1955 Up a Tree
1956 Chips Ahoy
1956 How to Have an Accident at Home
1959 How to Have an Accident at Work     
1961 Donald and the Wheel     
1961 The Litterbug     
1965 Donald's Fire Survival Plan     
1965 Steel and America


Silly Symphonies Volume 2
40 Shorts these are 50% Color and 50% B&W so i assume the discs will be divided up on that

Year Short Name
1929 El Terrible Toreador     
1929 Hell's Bells     
1929 Springtime     
1929 The Merry Dwarfs     
1930 Midnite in a Toyshop     
1930 Autumn
1930 Winter
1930 Summer     
1930 Playful Pan     
1930 Monkey Melodies     
1930 Frolicking Fish     
1930 Cannibal Capers     
1930 Arctic Antics     
1930 Night     
1931 The Spider and the Fly     
1931 The Cat's Out     
1931 The Clock Store     
1931 The Fox Hunt     
1932 King Neptune     
1932 Santa's Workshop     
1932 The Bears and the Bees     
1932 The Bird Store     
1932 Bugs in Love     
1933 Birds in the Spring
1933 Old King Cole
1933 The Night Before Christmas
1933 The Pied Piper
1934 The China Shop
1934 The Goddess of Spring
1935 Broken Toys
1935 Cock o' the Walk
1935 Three Orphan Kittens
1936 More Kittens
1936 Three Blind Mousketeers
1937 Little Hiawatha
1938 The Moth and the Flame     
1938 Merbabies     

I highly doubt that there will ever be a DVD with Oswald the lucky Rabbit and on with the Alice commedies. Besides copyright issues I don't think that there would be enough people to buy them. It is hard to get through one Alice comedy let alone 5 years worth. Also some of the assorted one are already avalible on other DVD's so they might not be as high a priority as the shorts which have never been released.

I'll hope that Donald 2 and 3 are in the same wave, otherwise it takes too long. and there isn't another character for making a treasure, only donald and pluto and that's it

Yea, I agree the Ollie and Alices probably wont come out but I included them because it isn't impossible and to help create the entire picture of Disney's work. And after reading how Walt lost Oswald, and then created Mickey I find it unlikely that Disney tried to regain the rights to oswald later in life, it probably stayed with Universial. Read the story

On the Assorteds, I know many of them are already out but I have 2 reasons to include them:
1. Several already released shorts are already on other dvd's but they aren't part of the Treasures yet. But even look at Victory Vehicles its on both the Complete Goofy AND Behind enemy Lines.
2. When I started looking into this, it because obvious that they cant get all outstanding shorts on on double dvd Set, so then I came to the conclusion it must be on 2 sets, and then the length has to be at least 8 hours (4 hours each) So I assume they will be released on these assorted sets. I think the current shorts total somewhere around 8:30 which would be perfect for 2 sets with room for extra stuff.

On the 3 Donald Sets, There is a chance that there will only be Two Sets, If disney packs on the Shorts like they did Goofy (and hopefully will with pluto) then they could fit the total of 86 Shorts on 2 Sets, but since Donald Set 1 only has 34 Shorts I assume they aren't shooting for only 2 more, (Draw it out and suck out more money of course)

I'd buy the Oswald & Alice sets, even if I rarely if ever watched them. It would just be cool to have them, and make my Disney collection that much more complete (when it eventually is completed, of course). But you're right, I'm sure the copyright mess alone would probably make this not worth it... whoever owns it would probably want Disney to buy it off of them, though.

-Aaron

In general I'd say your guesses could be as good as any. But I'd like to comment on a few of your title selections:

About the pre-Mickey, pre-sound works of Disney (Alice and Oswald): I didn't check your lists thoroughly, but if you included all or most released titles no one would be able to release complete sets since a lot of these films are missing.

"Johnny Appleseed" and "The Martins and the Coys" were parts of Melody Time and Make Mine Music. They probably shouldn't be included in this list. Or if they should, so should even more titles from the 1940's "package features".

I wouldn't count on such a film as "Steel and America". If this should be included that could also open up for other non-theatrical commercial/educational films.

"Mickey’s Man Friday" should be on the Mickey in B/W list.

Silly Symphonies:

What's "Hot Chocolate Soldiers"?

"Mother Goose Melodies" and "The China Plate" (both 1931) are already included in the first Silly Symphonies set.

"Autumn" (1930) should be on the Silly Symphonies list.

We already have "Farmyard Symphony" (1938) but we are missing "Mother Goose goes Hollywood" on the same list.

I'm not sure I got it all here, but in my opinion thtere are 75 Silly Symphonies in all - 37 included in the first set, so that leaves 38 for the second one.

I voted for Silly Symphonies Vol 2 & Donald Vol 2.

I hope they will be release 2004 in December not in 2005 May.
Better yet I hope they'll be release as soon as possible.

Complete sets of Lauphograms, Alice and Oswald are not known to exist.

And even if they are eventually found the film used that long ago would have been badly degregated as they would almost certainly have not been kept properly.

Further, its been a long time since I have taken law but I believe they would become public domain. I believe exemptions can be granted where the intellectual property is an on-going concern e.g. Mickey Mouse, but this would not apply to Alice or Oswald.

The Treasures will likely start with Mickey and Symphonies.

Do the math and the Treasures will string out to 2007 - just in time for them to start all over again with High Definition DVD.

By the way - just how much better can they make HD DVD?

With a progressive scan DVD Player, Plasma TV and surround sound - can they make it that much better to make repurchasing everyting worth it?

I dont think so.

Takk ska du ha Lars.

I made the corrections To the silly Symphonies Volume 2 above.

I removed Hot Chocolate Soldiers, i looked at i closer and it turns out not to be a Silly Symphony but a short stuck into another movie, so it should have been on Behind the Scenes at Walt Disney Studios.

I also added Mickey's Man Friday to the B&W Vol 2. I had thought it was Color since it was released the same year as all the other Color mickey's and was not included because of the "Monkeyfaced native" (not my quote) but now i see it was released one month before the first Color mickey. Thanks for the heads up.

And on the HD DVD, it will be totally useless, seeing as many of the shorts are not in the greatest of shape on the DVD, putting in on a different format isn't going to give any better quality, we hit the peak with dvd. But I'm not saying Disney won't release them trying to get more money out of people, what else will they have by then, released entire collection on dvd, No 2-D animation, No Pixar. they will be looking for revenue from somewhere.

jedipir8 wrote:so it should have been on Behind the Scenes at Walt Disney Studios.

What made you come to such a conclusion?
It has nothing to do on that set?

Chernabog,

I actually mixed that set up with the Bugs bunny disc of the Looney tunes Golden Collection. Its extras contain bugs bunny cameos in different movies. Which is what Hot Chocolate is (Mickey with Jimmey Durante). But wrong franchise. Well it will probably show up on another treasure along the way, they have tons of "other" sets they can do besides shorts, sure it will appear sooner or later

By the way - just how much better can they make HD DVD?

With a progressive scan DVD Player, Plasma TV and surround sound - can they make it that much better to make repurchasing everyting worth it?

I dont think so.[/quote]


I know I certainly wont be re-purchasing the movies... It has cost me too much already !.. Of course by 2007, there will be a whole new generation of kids that weren't around when the DVD's that came out in the early part of the decade were released. Disney will release these to a whole new generation of kids. Of course they have also been holding out on various features that they did not transfer over from the Laser discs that they may put onto the HD discs for obsessed collectors. They will change the cover art and you KNOW some of us will buy !

As others have already pointed out, Disney does not own the rights to the Oswald and Alice shorts. You can buy many of them on DVD already. Also: you can download quite a few of them, legally, from the web.

I really hope Disney decides to release a Alice treasure set while Virginia Davis is still in good health. She isn't getting any younger. Plus I want the surviving silent cartoons to complete my collection of Disney theatrical cartoon shorts.

What I'd like released as far as treasures go (titles are just generic):

The Concert Features Volume 1
Disc 1: Fantasia (1940) released for the first time unedited
black centaurs/centaurettes
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
All Fantasia background material from anniversary disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc
Disc 2: Fantasia 2000
All Fantasia 2000 background material from standard disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc

The Concert Features Volume 2
Disc 1: Make Mine Music (1946) released for the first time unedited
The Martins and the Coys segment, The King's Men credits and the woman's cleavage
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes of rednecks
Disc 2: Melody Time (1948) released for the first time unedited
cigarettes Pecos Bill smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior

Southern Films
Disc 1: Song of the South
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
Disc 2: So Dear to My Hearts

South American Films
Disc 1: Saludos Amigos (1943) unedited for the first time
cigarettes Goofy smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior
Disc 2: The Three Caballeros

jedipir8 wrote:Takk ska du ha Lars.

I removed Hot Chocolate Soldiers, i looked at i closer and it turns out not to be a Silly Symphony but a short stuck into another movie, so it should have been on Behind the Scenes at Walt Disney Studios.

Actually, it's called "Hot Choc-Late Soldiers", and it would have to be on a "Behind the Scenes at MGM Studios" since it was in their movie "Hollywood Party". When it's shown on TV, the Disney part is always missing, probably because of copyright. It is definately a "Silly Sympnonies" type cartoon, made in 1934 about chocolate soldiers who eventually die by melting in the sun. Too bad that it will never get released on a Disney collection, but it is avavailable on laserdisc. Photos here:
http://www.geocities.com/disney_laserdiscs/pics/Hp.jpg

Wave 4: MMBW II (the rest), DD II (1942-46), True Life (a few)
Wave 5: SS II (the rest), DD III (1947-51), Assorted I (first half?), Zorro (a few)
Wave 6: Complete Pluto, DD IV (with Chip & Dale and Bear & Ranger shorts), Assorted II (with Educational Donald & Goofy), MM Club (if legal issues resolved - a few)

Captain Hook wrote:What I'd like released as far as treasures go (titles are just generic):

The Concert Features Volume 1
Disc 1: Fantasia (1940) released for the first time unedited
black centaurs/centaurettes
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
All Fantasia background material from anniversary disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc
Disc 2: Fantasia 2000
All Fantasia 2000 background material from standard disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc

The Concert Features Volume 2
Disc 1: Make Mine Music (1946) released for the first time unedited
The Martins and the Coys segment, The King's Men credits and the woman's cleavage
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes of rednecks
Disc 2: Melody Time (1948) released for the first time unedited
cigarettes Pecos Bill smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior

Southern Films
Disc 1: Song of the South
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
Disc 2: So Dear to My Hearts

South American Films
Disc 1: Saludos Amigos (1943) unedited for the first time
cigarettes Goofy smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior
Disc 2: The Three Caballeros

Melody Time is uncensored on R2.

So Dear to My Heart is already out on R2

And you can get Song of the South pirated on DVD.

Captain Hook wrote:What I'd like released as far as treasures go (titles are just generic):

The Concert Features Volume 1
Disc 1: Fantasia (1940) released for the first time unedited
black centaurs/centaurettes
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
All Fantasia background material from anniversary disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc
Disc 2: Fantasia 2000
All Fantasia 2000 background material from standard disc and from the 3rd Collector's disc

The Concert Features Volume 2
Disc 1: Make Mine Music (1946) released for the first time unedited
The Martins and the Coys segment, The King's Men credits and the woman's cleavage
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes of rednecks
Disc 2: Melody Time (1948) released for the first time unedited
cigarettes Pecos Bill smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior

Southern Films
Disc 1: Song of the South
Leonard Maltin introduces with stereotypes
Disc 2: So Dear to My Hearts

South American Films
Disc 1: Saludos Amigos (1943) unedited for the first time
cigarettes Goofy smokes
Leonard Maltin introduces with uncharacteristic behavior
Disc 2: The Three Caballeros

Also, they need to add back the existing Deems Taylor narration to the DVD instead of the re-dubbed voice to make it as complete as possible. What you really need is a laserdisc player, since all of the above (except Fantasia) are available uncensored on laserdisc. And even the Fantasia laserdisc has the original unaltered Deems Taylor voice, unlike the DVD.

jedipir8 wrote:Spent some time Trying to figure out how Disney will release all of thier Disney shorts. I though many here might like to look at it, I think i probably got it pretty close. Well here it is. Feel free to correct anything, and oh I used The Encyclopedia of Disney Animated Shorts http://disneyshorts.toonzone.net/ to help me create this. I think most of these will be released by Dec 2007.

Oswald the lucky Rabit (1927-1928) (May not get released all are silent b&w)
Year Short Name
1927 Trolley Troubles
1927 Oh, Teacher
1927 The Mechanical Cow
1927 Great Guns
1927 All Wet
1927 The Ocean Hop
1927 The Banker's Daughter
1927 Empty Socks
1927 Rickety Gin
1928 Africa Before Dark
1928 Bright Lights
1928 Harem Scarem
1928 Hot Dog
1928 Hungry Hoboes
1928 Neck 'n' Neck
1928 Oh, What a Knight
1928 Ozzie of the Mounted
1928 Poor Papa
1928 Ride'em Plow Boy
1928 Rival Romeos
1928 Sagebrush Sadie
1928 Sky Scrappers
1928 Sleigh Bells
1928 Tall Timber
1928 The Fox Chase
1928 The Ol' Swimmin' Hole

Thanks for doing this jedipir8
I think it is cool to have all these cartoon listed. (Not just the ones I listed, but all of them ) I really wish that an Oswald set could be expected but it seems there copywright issues as like 101 posters before me stated, not to mention I guess not all of them are accounted for, but if it could be possible to comprise a sent of all the Oswald cartoons, that would be awesome! I've never seen one, but I am intrigued!!!

I also can't wait for the rest of the Donald shorts and the second set of MMiBW cartoons (due out at the end of the year! YAY! I only wish a second Donald set was being released along with it) I also look forward to the second Silly Symphony set...

Anyway, that's all I have to say about that.