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The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood?!

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:02 am
by Disney Duster
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Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:22 am
by DisneyJedi
That’s... kind of trippy. :shock:

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:55 am
by Farerb
Robin Hood reused animation, why not reuse the book as well.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:22 am
by Jules
rotfl OMG! Did you catch this yourself Duster? If so, keen eye!

Farerb, you don't sound too amused about this, but based on what we already know about the reused animation in Robin Hood, I think this is the cherry on the cake. It's too funny, lol. :lol:

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:45 am
by Rumpelstiltskin
Found this for those interested. Features that starts with a book:

https://d23.com/these-12-disney-films-a ... e-turners/

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:56 am
by Sotiris
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:Found this for those interested. Features that starts with a book:

https://d23.com/these-12-disney-films-a ... e-turners/
Thanks for sharing that. They forgot to add Chicken Little to the mix.

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Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:15 am
by Rumpelstiltskin
Sotiris wrote:Thanks for sharing that. They forgot to add Chicken Little to the mix.

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You welcome. Chicken Little had several openings, and was meant as a parody or something, if I remember correctly. But they still used a book, so it probably counts.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:35 am
by Jules
Rumpelstiltskin wrote:
Sotiris wrote:Thanks for sharing that. They forgot to add Chicken Little to the mix.

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You welcome. Chicken Little had several openings, and was meant as a parody or something, if I remember correctly. But they still used a book, so it probably counts.
I think D23's ommission of the Chicken Little book is intentional and not an oversight. It may be present in the film but, as Rumpelstiltskin pointed out, it is presented as a potential opening to the film along with the Lion King intro, and then promptly rejected by the narrator in a satirical fashion. The film even moves in reverse and the book closes again!

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:24 pm
by Marce82
Good eye, DisneyDuster!!

It's a little sad they couldn't bother to design a different book for Robin Hood. But again, this pre-dates home video, so the odds of someone noticing this back then were... pretty much non existent. Still sad.

Honestly, neither of these movies are favorites of mine, though I do think TJB is vastly superior to RH.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:28 pm
by D82
Yes, good eye, Disney Duster! I already knew it thanks to this post by Sotiris (which, by the way, confirms you're right), but I don't know if I would've noticed it by myself like you if not for it.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:01 pm
by Farerb
Marce82 wrote:Good eye, DisneyDuster!!

It's a little sad they couldn't bother to design a different book for Robin Hood. But again, this pre-dates home video, so the odds of someone noticing this back then were... pretty much non existent. Still sad.

Honestly, neither of these movies are favorites of mine, though I do think TJB is vastly superior to RH.
I think The Jungle Book is superior to all the other Xerox films, with the exception of The Little Mermaid.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:15 pm
by Disney Duster
Thanks guys! Yes, I noticed it myself, but it was through a very easy means. On the site Animation Screencaps, they had these two images very close to each other.

Thank you for the link, Rumplestiltskin!

And it's interesting this goes back to what Sotiris posted about.
Fans of the gal in the glass slipper may remember that a prop storybook was also featured in the 2015 live-action Cinderella; that book is titled Perrault Birds Tales (a reference to author Charles Perrault) and is also preserved in the Archives.
I'm a fan and I had absolutely zero knowledge about this! Where is this in the film?!

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:28 am
by Jules
farerb wrote:
Marce82 wrote:Good eye, DisneyDuster!!

It's a little sad they couldn't bother to design a different book for Robin Hood. But again, this pre-dates home video, so the odds of someone noticing this back then were... pretty much non existent. Still sad.

Honestly, neither of these movies are favorites of mine, though I do think TJB is vastly superior to RH.
I think The Jungle Book is superior to all the other Xerox films, with the exception of The Little Mermaid.
Personally, I think Dalmatians has an edge over Jungle Book. It's swiftly directed, stylishly written and looks gorgeous despite the neutered budget following Sleeping Beauty. The backgrounds are perfect companions to the rough, expressive lineart.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:14 am
by JeanGreyForever
farerb wrote:
Marce82 wrote:Good eye, DisneyDuster!!

It's a little sad they couldn't bother to design a different book for Robin Hood. But again, this pre-dates home video, so the odds of someone noticing this back then were... pretty much non existent. Still sad.

Honestly, neither of these movies are favorites of mine, though I do think TJB is vastly superior to RH.
I think The Jungle Book is superior to all the other Xerox films, with the exception of The Little Mermaid.
Yeah, I think 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers are superior to TJB.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:10 am
by Marce82
Jules, I agree with you 100%.

JeanGrey, sorry, but I dont think Rescuers is better than TJB.... but Rescuers IS better than Robin Hood.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:39 pm
by JeanGreyForever
Marce82 wrote:Jules, I agree with you 100%.

JeanGrey, sorry, but I dont think Rescuers is better than TJB.... but Rescuers IS better than Robin Hood.
TBH, I've never been a huge fan of TJB. I like the visuals and the songs but the story is really lacking. It astounds me that Mowgli's wolf family is never mentioned or seen again after the opening scene. The live-action remake had much more heart in that respect. I also liked some of the deleted songs that provided more exposition.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:17 pm
by D82
farerb wrote:I think The Jungle Book is superior to all the other Xerox films, with the exception of The Little Mermaid.
I agree with you, but 101 Dalmatians and The Rescuers are also really good films in my opinion.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:27 pm
by Farerb
When I said it, I meant superior in terms of design and animation. I can see the appeal in 101 Dalmatians, but I see more effort was put into The Jungle Book so much that it doesn't really look like a Xerox film, but more like the films from the 50's.
The Jungle Book is not a favorite of mine from the Xerox films, I personally like TGMD more, but it doesn't look as good as The Jungle Book.

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:13 am
by rodis
In terms of design and I'm excluding Mermaid...

TJB has beautiful backgrounds (even breathtaking) some of the time but really bad ones from time to time which kind of distract me...

101 Dalmatians is visually gorgeous with its artsy and nifty style, and the backgrounds complement the Xerox lines brilliantly.

Next: TBC, TGMD, TSITS... the rest I don't care about

Re: The same opening book for The Jungle Book and Robin Hood

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:17 pm
by D82
farerb wrote:When I said it, I meant superior in terms of design and animation. I can see the appeal in 101 Dalmatians, but I see more effort was put into The Jungle Book so much that it doesn't really look like a Xerox film, but more like the films from the 50's.
The Jungle Book is not a favorite of mine from the Xerox films, I personally like TGMD more, but it doesn't look as good as The Jungle Book.
Oh, OK. Yes, The Jungle Book has great animation and I agree that the Xerox it's not as evident in it as in other films from that period, but I think in the last films to use that process, like The Black Cauldron or The Great Mouse Detective, the lines are cleaner and it's even less noticeable that they're Xerox movies.
rodis wrote:101 Dalmatians is visually gorgeous with its artsy and nifty style, and the backgrounds complement the Xerox lines brilliantly.
I completely agree. 101 Dalmatians really took advantage of that process, instead of seeing it as something negative. It's a shame Walt didn't realize it when the film was released.