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I just saw "Wreck-It Ralph 2", and it's a good movie overall, but ever since I saw the first trailer for it, I have consistently had one complaint: why is Elsa with the princess crowd when she is clearly a queen?

I've seen many fan artwork that prominently features both royal sisters in "Frozen" in the crowd of Disney princesses:


It really frustrates me that they consider Elsa a princess (it also frustrates me that they think Mulan is a princess, too, but that's another story). She may have been a princess once, but now she is a queen. I have no qualms about Anna being in this crowd, because she is a princess, but Elsa is a queen. As such, I like it when I read information on merchandise about Elsa that describes her as "Queen Elsa", because they're absolutely right and know what they're talking about:


Most of the time, given how obscenely popular the movie became, Anna and Elsa are treated as their own separate franchise, which is all to the good. However, from time to time, they have been seen, however briefly, with the other Disney princesses.

Things then came to a head when I saw the "Wreck-It Ralph 2" trailer and thereafter, up to and including actually seeing the movie itself, when, as you know, Vanellope Von Schweetz happens upon the room full of princesses and they ask her if she's a princess herself, and if so, what kind, with Elsa in particular asking if she has "magic hands".

To all of that, I ask once more, "What part of 'Elsa is a queen, not a princess' do these people not understand?" Again, I have no objections with Anna hanging out with them, but Elsa is no longer a princess. It just really rubs me the wrong way.

I thought I was told that they would mention why Elsa was with the princess crowd in the movie, but I never did find out.

In conclusion, why would they consider Elsa a princess when she is a queen?

Well, neither Elsa nor Anna are part of the Disney Princess brand because they have their own billion dollar franchise. They are sometimes bundled together with the princesses for promotional purposes. Marketing is also the reason Elsa is sometimes referred to as a princess instead of a queen. Personally, I have no problem if a queen becomes part of the DP line-up as long as she is introduced as a princess at the beginning. It's safe to assume that both Ariel and Belle became queens when they got married since their husbands' parents were never shown or mentioned.

you think that's bad, you should see who's in the new Disney Prince calendar that's going to be sold at the Disney Store as part of their new Dashing Collection line this January.

I'll give you a hint, one is more of a hero, one's a villain and one is a villian's sidekick.

Sotiris wrote:Well, neither Elsa nor Anna are part of the Disney Princess brand because they have their own billion dollar franchise. They are sometimes bundled together with the princesses for promotional purposes. Marketing is also the reason Elsa is sometimes referred to as a princess instead of a queen. Personally, I have no problem if a queen becomes part of the DP line-up as long as she is introduced as a princess at the beginning. It's safe to assume that both Ariel and Belle became queens when they got married since their husbands' parents were never shown or mentioned.

To be fair, Ariel was already royalty when she got married.

I see this in a lot of other places as well. The truth is Disney doesn't care whether a character is a princess or not. She is gonna be in the franchise/makes cameos based on financial reasons and nothing more.

unprincess wrote:you think that's bad, you should see who's in the new Disney Prince calendar that's going to be sold at the Disney Store as part of their new Dashing Collection line this January.

I'll give you a hint, one is more of a hero, one's a villain and one is a villian's sidekick.

I'm guessing Hercules, Hans, and LeFou lol?

BTW, do you have a link to the merchandise for the Dashing Collection? I can't seem to find it on the Disney Store website.

^I haven't seen any of it online either. I saw it in a small flyer that they were giving out when I went to the Disney Store yesterday .It also pictured a book bag with a collage of different Princes and a pink jacket that says ROYAL CRUSH.

Good job on your guesses! You were right about Herc and Hans and the villain's sidekick is actually....KRONK!? I mean, I love the guy, but why him? Wouldn't KUZCO have made more sense? They also oddly left out John Smith(if Shang's in it why not him?) and Kristoff(who is destined to be a prince).

Its a weirdly thought out calendar, though Im glad they included Hans. Makes me wonder if it means he'll get redeemed.

Well, Mulan isn't royalty of any kind, so Elsa being a queen doesn't bother me. Especially since you have 3D princesses and a PIXAR princess all mixed in there with the hand-drawn, Disney princesses anyway.

I stopped caring about who was or wasn't in the princess lineup when they added Rapunzel. I really thought back then that with her being CGI, she just didn't fit in with the 2d princesses. Then they added Merida and I just didn't care anymore. It became obvious that the Princess line was just a means for marketing and that marketers were behind the decisions of who got in, which usually means it wont make any sense.

The only thing that sucks is that the focus on the Princess characters causes the female characters not chosen to be included in the line to get completely ignored.

unprincess wrote:I saw it in a small flyer that they were giving out when I went to the Disney Store yesterday.

Did you take the flyer? Can you post of photo of it?

unprincess wrote:I stopped caring about who was or wasn't in the princess lineup when they added Rapunzel. I really thought back then that with her being CGI, she just didn't fit in with the 2d princesses. Then they added Merida and I just didn't care anymore. It became obvious that the Princess line was just a means for marketing and that marketers were behind the decisions of who got in, which usually means it wont make any sense.

The only thing that sucks is that the focus on the Princess characters causes the female characters not chosen to be included in the line to get completely ignored.

Again, to be fair, Rapunzel and Merida are both royalty, too.

Big Disney Fan wrote:To be fair, Ariel was already royalty when she got married.

Yeah, so was Elsa. That's not what we're talking about here. You have a problem with Elsa being sometimes referred to as a princess instead of a queen, even though both Ariel and Belle became queens when they got married at the end of their respective films and you don't have a problem with them being considered princesses and not queens.

But if they married princes and not kings aren't they still princesses till...Disney decides wtf makes them them king and queen?

Well, in a monarchy when the king and/or queen pass away, their direct descendant, usually the first-born son, gets crowned as king. Since Eric's and Adam's parents are absent and presumed to be dead, that makes them kings, not princes and therefore their wives queens, not princesses.

Sotiris wrote:

unprincess wrote:I saw it in a small flyer that they were giving out when I went to the Disney Store yesterday.

Did you take the flyer? Can you post of photo of it?

yes,
sorry for the terrible quality, I almost never scan anything. I couldn't figure out how to post the full image. I had to settle for a thumbnail.

Thanks for taking the time to scan it! I'm pleasantly surprised Disney's giving another go at marketing the princes. Maybe this will lead to them finally publishing the Neglected Prince. Their inclusion of Kronk is indeed baffling. He doesn't fit with the rest as his design is much more caricatured and he's a comedic character. From all the male characters they could have picked, Prince Edward, John Smith, Kocoum, Phoebus, Tarzan, Milo Thatch, Jim Hawkins, David Kawena etc., they went with Kronk?

I don't have a problem with Hans being included but they should have at least included Kristoff too.

Sotiris wrote:Well, in a monarchy when the king and/or queen pass away, their direct descendant, usually the first-born son, gets crowned as king. Since Eric's and Adam's parents are absent and presumed to be dead, that makes them kings, not princes and therefore their wives queens, not princesses.

But even though their parents are dead, aren't called kings, they are called princes. So aren't they just (wrongfully?) princes and their wives princesses?

unprincess wrote: yes,
sorry for the terrible quality, I almost never scan anything. I couldn't figure out how to post the full image. I had to settle for a thumbnail.

Thanks for posting! Kronk really does come off as so random on there and his inclusion is even more baffling since as pointed out, Disney had several other prince candidates to choose from.

ugh how could I forget Edward! he would've fit perfectly too. Or like I said before even Kuzco who is an emperor. And yeah its weird that Kristoff isn't there but Hans is.

The Prince Calendar from the "Dashing Collection".


Source: https://www.shopdisney.com/disney-princ ... ey-1498502