Lizzie McGuire Revival

[PatrickvD]

Violence Is something that can be worked around and it’s also something that all ages deal with at some point in their lives in some kind of way and despite it not being overall acceptable in society it’s not as sensitive as nudity or sex/other hormonal related things because it is used as a means of survival and defence, where is all that other stuff I mentioned above is always considered private because of Those kinds of things Being even Less civil by the nature of what they are because that kind of exposure and overall content it’s just Considered Overall sensitive because of What and how it is truly exposed, And not in a truly direct or truly appropriate way regardless of what ways you do it

I’m sorry… but, what?

Violence is not as sensitive as nudity? Did you really just say that? I’m sorry, did we catapult back into medieval times?

Anyway I’m detailing the topic. The Lizzie McQuire reboot can easily be made for a broad audience. It’s 2022. I’ve seen zero arguments as to why this is unfit for the Disney brand.

[Sotiris]

^Supposedly, there was drinking involved too. I recall that Disney changed Tony Stark's drinking problem into a sleeping problem in Iron Man 3 after complaints by mommy bloggers. It's plausible that depictions of consuming alcohol in addition to adult themes like cheating and sex contributed to it being deemed unsuitable for Disney+.

[Patricier21]

Violence Is something that can be worked around and it’s also something that all ages deal with at some point in their lives in some kind of way and despite it not being overall acceptable in society it’s not as sensitive as nudity or sex/other hormonal related things because it is used as a means of survival and defence, where is all that other stuff I mentioned above is always considered private because of Those kinds of things Being even Less civil by the nature of what they are because that kind of exposure and overall content it’s just Considered Overall sensitive because of What and how it is truly exposed, And not in a truly direct or truly appropriate way regardless of what ways you do it

I’m sorry… but, what?

Violence is not as sensitive as nudity? Did you really just say that? I’m sorry, did we catapult back into medieval times?

Anyway I’m detailing the topic. The Lizzie McQuire reboot can easily be made for a broad audience. It’s 2022. I’ve seen zero arguments as to why this is unfit for the Disney brand.

Violence is self-defence, And as long as it doesn’t go too far or gets too gory then like I said before it’s a matter of survival end And a means to an end, A common form of entertainment for pretty much all ages.Sex screws things up and just naturally has one feel uncomfortable. There’s a reason why the F word is a synonym for it, and trust me, there is no argument against that. Alcohol is also treated as such to let alone the fact that it should never ever have existed as a drink [much like sex itself for that matter; as crazy as this is gonna sound, there has to be another way to reproduce, let alone the fact that at this day and age I Truly know that we are well beyond the fact that we don’t need any more people Brought into the world, just think about how many problems we would solve by not having any more people brought into the world, less resourcesTo consume etc plus the fact that not everyone is simply cut out to be a parent and need to stop this mindset do you have to have kids in order to truly live which countless people including quite a lot That have been involved in Disney Movie’s have proven otherwise]

[PatrickvD]

^Supposedly, there was drinking involved too. I recall that Disney changed Tony Stark's drinking problem into a sleeping problem in Iron Man 3 after complaints by mommy bloggers. It's plausible that depictions of consuming alcohol in addition to adult themes like cheating and sex contributed to it being deemed unsuitable for Disney+.

I can see how alcohol might be an issue yes. It’s still weird to me how extremely adult content in Europe gets a big fat Disney plus logo slapped on it. So this is strictly an American issue I guess. The way they keep these brands separate.

Sex screws things up and just naturally has one feel uncomfortable. There’s a reason why the F word is a synonym for it, and trust me, there is no argument against that.

Are you talking about sex or rape? I feel very sorry for you if you truly believe that. It’s by making sex a taboo that results in unhealthy views on it. Consensual sex is a part of the human experience. Not talking to kids about that results in bizarre statements like yours.

I’m not saying everything needs to be seen explicitly in the context of a potential Lizzie McQuire reboot. But people have sex and that’s where babies come from. It’s life. Sex is not dirty. Grow up. They can easily allude to her having a sex life like most romantic comedies.

It’s bizarre how deep the consequences of the corrupt MPAA and the Hayes code run through American society. And it’s often the conservatives who put these rules and regulations in place that are the biggest predators. Grab em by the you know what, am I right.

I’ll stop here, before I get too disgusted.

[Farerb]

It's really an American thing, they're very conservative when it comes to sex and nudity. I rewatched When Harry Met Sally... a few months ago and then I looked it up and saw that it is R rated. Reasons were:

- A lot of sex-related dialogue throughout the film. Sally fakes an orgasm.
- Offensive language like F*** and S***.
- Alcohol Content.
- Brief Nudity, and by nudity they mean that Harry and Sally’s shoulders are seen while in bed.

Truthfully seems a bid radical in my opinion, it's really a case of adults not being aware that teenagers already know about these things, the movie seemed like something that can be shown to 14-15+ in my opinion. The thing is that it has become much worse in US media. What used to be G back then is now PG, PG is PG13, PG13 is R... Look at what they did to some older teen movies - people recently mentioned edits they did to Adventure in Babysitting, editing out swearing and such... Ridiculous.

[Patricier21]

^Supposedly, there was drinking involved too. I recall that Disney changed Tony Stark's drinking problem into a sleeping problem in Iron Man 3 after complaints by mommy bloggers. It's plausible that depictions of consuming alcohol in addition to adult themes like cheating and sex contributed to it being deemed unsuitable for Disney+.

I can see how alcohol might be an issue yes. It’s still weird to me how extremely adult content in Europe gets a big fat Disney plus logo slapped on it. So this is strictly an American issue I guess. The way they keep these brands separate.

Sex screws things up and just naturally has one feel uncomfortable. There’s a reason why the F word is a synonym for it, and trust me, there is no argument against that.

Are you talking about sex or rape? I feel very sorry for you if you truly believe that. It’s by making sex a taboo that results in unhealthy views on it. Consensual sex is a part of the human experience. Not talking to kids about that results in bizarre statements like yours.

I’m not saying everything needs to be seen explicitly in the context of a potential Lizzie McQuire reboot. But people have sex and that’s where babies come from. It’s life. Sex is not dirty. Grow up. They can easily allude to her having a sex life like most romantic comedies.

It’s bizarre how deep the consequences of the corrupt MPAA and the Hayes code run through American society. And it’s often the conservatives who put these rules and regulations in place that are the biggest predators. Grab em by the you know what, am I right.

I’ll stop here, before I get too disgusted.

OK, you clearly are so hell-bent on change and or what you want That you become truly delusional. I know that you are in a country that is more open to that kind of thing but it doesn’t change the fact that here in North America, Which is where this content in this brand originated from and therefore carries our Overall values and overall viewpoints And which is therefore what truly has Lizzie McGuire let alone Disney overall be what it truly is. I should’ve been tipped off from the get go that you are delusional enough To not see the truth in my first post when I asked “would you Truly want to see let alone can truly live with a directly Disney branded character engaging in sex and other adult related content”. Ask yourself this, is that kind of thing what Disney Under it’s directly Disney named brand/related Disney based content And characters Truly are and or what they would truly do? You clearly do not know what Disney truly is at all. If every thing let alone everyone always truly acted like and or did what is Generally and or “normally ” done with something, then they’re literally would not be anything as there would be no difference between them. Everything and everyone will always be literally exactly the same and therefore bring no value And with that no identity any kind of way towards anything.

You are also clearly naïve towards sex and other Adultery Itself. Tell me this, after engaging in these Kinds of things, how do you truly feel about yourself and about your life? Do you not feel like crap, depressed, like everything else in life has no meaning or value let alone just doesn’t feel the same as if you’re always carrying a bad taste in your mouth or in your thoughts towards something? Have you ever wondered why people use the F word as a synonym for sex when it is also used as a synonym for screwing things up? Everything and anything in life always truly has a reason for it no matter what no matter how otherwise It may seem and all these reasons are all always truly connected in some kind of way no matter what no matter of otherwise it may seem. My whole life let alone the rest of the world has been truly screwed up in deed from this kind of thing, regardless of how “normal” it may be. After all, once upon a time it was normal to not bathe. So tell me, If it was truly normal and a part of life to Not bathe, Then why do people get sent to the hospital and are seen as harming themselves by Not showering/Bathing in some kind of way when there was a time when it was truly normal for most if not all people to not Bathe? Also when you consider that there Were many many years before such a thing what’s considered normal let alone an Overall Law If not mandate? If bathing Truly has this history and kind of outcome, then why wouldn’t alcohol and sex which are truly a lot more harmful than not Bathing eventually and hopefully lead to the same kind of negative/against outcome? Especially when you also consider the strong negativity that they already have and not just with kids. As well, violence Is always trulyA part of life for the reasons and more that I’ve already stated.

[PatrickvD]

You are also clearly naïve towards sex and other Adultery Itself. Tell me this, after engaging in these Kinds of things, how do you truly feel about yourself and about your life? Do you not feel like crap, depressed, like everything else in life has no meaning or value let alone just doesn’t feel the same as if you’re always carrying a bad taste in your mouth or in your thoughts towards something?

Lord what are you talking about?? Also who brought up adultery? You’re mixing all kinds of concepts and randomly use them without knowing what they mean. This is one of the most incoherent things I’ve ever read. Shame, depression…. are you okay? Who on earth educated you on this topic?

As well, violence Is always trulyA part of life for the reasons and more that I’ve already stated.

Very American philosophy indeed. But then I guess those mass shootings are really working out swell for America. Part of life, right? Mother nature.

[Sotiris]

I assume Patricier brought up adultery because of Lizzie's boyfriend cheating on her. I think that would be an easy thing to tone down. Instead of Lizzie catching her boyfriend in bed with another woman, she can catch him just kissing someone else. Or maybe refer to his cheating but don't show the incident on-screen. It's not something that affects the story much. No need to cancel the show over it.

[Patricier21]

You are also clearly naïve towards sex and other Adultery Itself. Tell me this, after engaging in these Kinds of things, how do you truly feel about yourself and about your life? Do you not feel like crap, depressed, like everything else in life has no meaning or value let alone just doesn’t feel the same as if you’re always carrying a bad taste in your mouth or in your thoughts towards something?

Lord what are you talking about?? Also who brought up adultery? You’re mixing all kinds of concepts and randomly use them without knowing what they mean. This is one of the most incoherent things I’ve ever read. Shame, depression…. are you okay? Who on earth educated you on this topic?

As well, violence Is always trulyA part of life for the reasons and more that I’ve already stated.

Very American philosophy indeed. But then I guess those mass shootings are really working out swell for America. Part of life, right? Mother nature.

Congratulations, your naivety and stupidity just keeps getting bigger and bigger. This whole topic of conversation is about adultery which covers of quarters of it from sex to alcohol to whatever else etc. and again you yourself with clearly never engaged in these kinds of things for I am asking you and anyone reading this how do you truly feel after engaging in these activities? Sure they may feel pleasurable for a moment, but then afterwards regardless of how instant it may be, you always truly end up feeling worse not only in the moment but also towards anything else in your life, whether It’s from whatever that hormonal feeling is after engaging in sexual activities like intercourse, orgasms, masturbation and or getting a hangover etc. how to engage in it’s from whatever that hormonal feeling is after engaging in sexual activities like intercourse, orgasms, masturbation and or getting a hangover etc. And or gain a hangover after engaging in alcoholic activities. Are these kinds of activities truly worth it for what they do to you overall? Why do you hear so many things against it? Why is it played up for laughs? Why do many people consider it to be awkward etc.?

As for violence, regardless of how Inappropriately extreme it can get in regards to the mass shootings etc. violence on a general basis is And always will truly be instinct of life for Survival, and any other kind of resolve etc. as like these other things that you claim are a part of life and human nature so is this regardless of how people may think of it and again regardless of how extreme it may Get

[PatrickvD]

Congratulations, your naivety and stupidity just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Could you please refrain from these type of insults? It’s inappropriate. If you have no substantive arguments I’d advise you not to say anything at all.

This whole topic of conversation is about adultery which covers of quarters of it from sex to alcohol to whatever else

No, again. It isn’t. I was talking about a regular adult’s sex life and how that can easily be portrayed in a normal and realistic way. The act of adultery doesn’t have to be visible like it’s porn. It’s 2022. A normal portrayal of an adult’s romantic life doesn’t have to involve any of the things you brought up and weirdly started projecting on me as if you know anything about me. Very bizarre and inappropriate.

[PatrickvD]

I assume Patricier brought up adultery because of Lizzie's boyfriend cheating on her. I think that would be an easy thing to tone down. Instead of Lizzie catching her boyfriend in bed with another woman, she can catch him just kissing someone else. Or maybe refer to his cheating but don't show the incident on-screen. It's not something that affects the story much. No need to cancel the show over it.

Agreed. On top of that Disney appeals to more than just Christian conservatives. Not sure why content should be tailored to a group of people who, on a worldwide scale represent a huge minority of their audience.

[estefan]

Marvel films have references to sex and Disney doesn't seem to have a problem showing them uncut on the service. Eternals has a sex scene and the Guardians of the Galaxy films have a number of jokes about bodily anatomy (e.g. Star Lord's "Jackson Pollock" joke in the first film, Drax asking Ego if he has a penis in Vol. 2). So it is strange that they would have an issue with this part of Lizzie's life in the series.

Like Sotiris said, it's not even something they have to show. I doubt they had the standard scene of Lizzie walking in on her own boyfriend under the covers like you often see in romantic comedies. She probably found out he was cheating some other way. And it's not wrong for children to learn about the concept of cheating on your significant other, especially when the show in question would have portrayed it as in the wrong.

[Patricier21]

Marvel films have references to sex and Disney doesn't seem to have a problem showing them uncut on the service. Eternals has a sex scene and the Guardians of the Galaxy films have a number of jokes about bodily anatomy (e.g. Star Lord's "Jackson Pollock" joke in the first film, Drax asking Ego if he has a penis in Vol. 2). So it is strange that they would have an issue with this part of Lizzie's life in the series.

Like Sotiris said, it's not even something they have to show. I doubt they had the standard scene of Lizzie walking in on her own boyfriend under the covers like you often see in romantic comedies. She probably found out he was cheating some other way. And it's not wrong for children to learn about the concept of cheating on your significant other, especially when the show in question would have portrayed it as in the wrong.

Again, we’re talking about a property that’s directly under the Disney banner. Disney+ is a service can overall show that content because again despite it being on the service it’s not as direct as content that was/is labelled as Disney; would you really want that kind of thing directly to be featured In a Disney property?

[Sotiris]

Patricier, please don't resort to personal attacks. You can disagree with someone without hurling insults at them. In regards to what you're trying to say, I think you do have a point. Disney-branded content can't get away with the things Marvel or Star Wars can. While everything's on Disney+, Disney Channel shows and other Disney-branded content is supposed to be more innocent and tamer than Marvel or Lucasfilm material. We may not agree with it, but Disney does treat Disney-branded shows differently and is less permissive with subject matter, themes, and language for them.

[blackcauldron85]

Disney Channel shows had lots of breakups, including cheating:
https://www.thelist.com/278588/the-most ... -breakups/

I agree that you don't have to show the cheating at all or in a "graphic" way for lack of better word.

I'm still puzzled why Disney wasn't willing to move the new Lizzie show to Hulu. I'm glad that it's not "dead," that maybe someday they'll make it work.

Relationships and all that come with them can be messy and beautiful and everything in between. There's nothing wrong with consensual relationships, if both parties treat each other with respect. I'm horrified by the violence in this world. It keeps me up at night sometimes. (I live in the US.
Gun culture, glorifying violence- that is not everyone in this country!) That's all the energy I feel I can put into that conversation without getting on my soap box.

[blackcauldron85]

With the Netflix Marvel shows coming to D+ and creating the profiles with PINs and allowing or rejecting I guess TV-14+ on individual profiles, and with Love, Victor heading to D+, can we maybe be a smidge closer to getting Lizzie??

[NeoSuperBlissey]

With the Netflix Marvel shows coming to D+ and creating the profiles with PINs and allowing or rejecting I guess TV-14+ on individual profiles, and with Love, Victor heading to D+, can we maybe be a smidge closer to getting Lizzie??

Most likely not because of Hilary Duff being busy with "How I Met Your Father," but we shall see.

[nomad2010]

With the Netflix Marvel shows coming to D+ and creating the profiles with PINs and allowing or rejecting I guess TV-14+ on individual profiles, and with Love, Victor heading to D+, can we maybe be a smidge closer to getting Lizzie??

Most likely not because of Hilary Duff being busy with "How I Met Your Father," but we shall see.

HIMYF is the only project she’s working on though. It would be really easy for her to jump on aboard with Lizzie. And I have a feeling we may be pretty close to an announcement that it’s coming back. They held back on the Victor announcement until now, and the Lizzie fandom is pretty vocal. Hilary herself has acknowledged it a few times recently in a interviews. So here’s hoping they’ve mended things, and go right back to what they had originally planned (or better). I think they’d all see a bit of a blowback if they didn’t green light it now that they’re allowing content like that.

[Kyle]

Sitcoms don't shoot for very long, she could most likely do another I think. If it were single camera it would be very different.

[rodrigo_ca]

I don't think the problem is putting that content on Disney+ (they could have just moved it to hulu), but rather tie said content with an estabilished Disney property. It would probably be fine to shoot the exact same script for Disney if only it wasn't for the Lizzie McGuire title card