Snow White (Live-Action)

[Thumper_93]

Barbie is still one of the best seller dolls of all time. The products may have not great quality but they are sellin really well so that's a lie. People still wants Barbie. The movie was a hit because people were like crazy with the outfits and because it had a great marketing campaign but the movie is not as good as they wanted us to believe. Barbie is a fashion icon and she can be whatever she wants no matter her appereance. In the movie it seems that you can not be smart and pretty and glamorous at the same time. They changed Barbie's personality only to make it attractive to the most radical public. However they only released dolls from the movie with the most glamorous outfits because they know that a realistic Barbie doll like the one that appear at the end of the movie wouldn't sell anything.
With this movie I have the feeling that they tried to make the same but they were smart enough to see that the audience want the Snow White that we all know and not another warrior princess like the Kristen Stewart one. That's why they tried to fix things with the reshoots.
Also one of the things that I've been seeing in social media is people remembering Lily's Snow White and saying how amazing she was as the character. They changed things on her but they mantained the essence of a classic princess and the result was a lovely character, that's why people remember her. I think that with this LA they should have done the same. Let's wait and see. Maybe it's better than what we think but I'm still reticent about this whole movie.

[Pokenonbinary]

I don’t think I’ve seen that pic yet. Thank you for posting it, Thumper_93! I do not like her headdress, but it may work better on a real person and not a doll!

There is a collector’s doll of Snow White floating around and her cape is enormous. Have you seen it? Not sure if that is reflective of the actual costume design or if it’s exaggerated for the doll, but I want it when it is released. I love the capes in the animated film.

The collector doll that you talk about it's supossed to be the 17” limited edition doll. The cape is stunning and the details of the birds holding it is lovely. The dress looks really good. The only issue that i have with her is the skirt. It's very yellow in my opinion but I supossed that Disney wants it this way like they did with Cinderella's costume.
There is also a photo of the Mattel doll around internet and the quality is really well too. They improved the fabrics and the facemolds. The queen and her looks almost like collector's edition dolls. I don't know if they changed the qualities because Disney is not going to make regular dolls and Mattel is going to be the only one releasing them.
About what Monky san about olive spamirad skin i have to say that not all the spaniards have dark hair, olive skin and looks like gypsies. We used to be represented like this but it's topical. Like the paella or the bullfighting

God why you're so obsessed with whitewashing your own country, most people in spain look like Rachel Zegler, its not our fault you look nordic

*meme de Maria La Piedra diciendo en Salvame "no es mi culpa si eres pobre"

Yes there are blonde blue eyed spaniards, but most of the country is people with dark hair, brown or black eyes and olive skin

To everybody else who's not spaniard, there's this obsession in social media from white nordic looking spaniards to pretend that they're the only type of spaniard, when the teaser from Wish came out a neonazi (yes she was one) named Cynthia or something very non-spanish said that she was pale and redhead and didn't felt represented with Asha, and all the quote tweets were spaniards saying our skin tone is closer to Asha than to Cynthia (a woman who identified as a viking, very spaniard lol)

And even if Rachel Zegler looked romani (there's not a single look) there are 2 million romani spaniards so keep crying if you hate calós, we will keep existing

(And sorry for making so many different posts, I don't know how to edit the original post with the quotes from other users, in my phone is difficult compared to a computer)

[Pokenonbinary]

Barbie is still one of the best seller dolls of all time. The products may have not great quality but they are sellin really well so that's a lie. People still wants Barbie. The movie was a hit because people were like crazy with the outfits and because it had a great marketing campaign but the movie is not as good as they wanted us to believe. Barbie is a fashion icon and she can be whatever she wants no matter her appereance. In the movie it seems that you can not be smart and pretty and glamorous at the same time. They changed Barbie's personality only to make it attractive to the most radical public. However they only released dolls from the movie with the most glamorous outfits because they know that a realistic Barbie doll like the one that appear at the end of the movie wouldn't sell anything.
With this movie I have the feeling that they tried to make the same but they were smart enough to see that the audience want the Snow White that we all know and not another warrior princess like the Kristen Stewart one. That's why they tried to fix things with the reshoots.
Also one of the things that I've been seeing in social media is people remembering Lily's Snow White and saying how amazing she was as the character. They changed things on her but they mantained the essence of a classic princess and the result was a lovely character, that's why people remember her. I think that with this LA they should have done the same. Let's wait and see. Maybe it's better than what we think but I'm still reticent about this whole movie.

The movie made 1.4b because it had one of the best marketing campaigns ever seen in a Hollywood movie (or any movie)

The predictions before the marketing campaign started were around 200M, not bad for a comedy since in general comedies don't do big in the 2020s

The IP helped a little bit but overall it was a movie that ignored any type of barbie previous story, it could have been named Mandy and be about a non existing doll and be the same movie

Margot and Greta are the ones to thank, as I said Barbie as an IP was a flop for decades, young kids didn't cared about the doll and she was seen old fashion

[Pokenonbinary]

More controversy courtesy of Mrs. Zegler.

‘Snow White’ Star Rachel Zegler Declares ‘Free Palestine’ While Promoting Film Also Starring Gal Gadot
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/08/14/s ... gal-gadot/

Rachel Zegler's 'Free Palestine' call sparks backlash amidst Snow White promotion
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2488007/ra ... -promotion

???? The entire hate has been going towards Gal Gadot because 90% of the planet supports Palestine, have you been under a rock for the last 10 months?

[Farerb]

The movie was written by Greta Gerwig, trust her

No, it wasn't:
Greta Gerwig Had Limited Involvement in Disney’s Live-Action Snow White Movie

I was hired for a couple of weeks. I did a ‘pass’ — I wrote some jokes.

https://www.narniaweb.com/2023/12/greta ... ite-movie/

[Pokenonbinary]

The movie was written by Greta Gerwig, trust her

No, it wasn't:
Greta Gerwig Had Limited Involvement in Disney’s Live-Action Snow White Movie

I was hired for a couple of weeks. I did a ‘pass’ — I wrote some jokes.

https://www.narniaweb.com/2023/12/greta ... ite-movie/

Wow, I remember them saying written by her everywhere, clickbait I guess

But still if she made some good scenes that's enough

[Sotiris]

???? The entire hate has been going towards Gal Gadot because 90% of the planet supports Palestine, have you been under a rock for the last 10 months?

The difference is that Gal Gadot hasn't made any recent social media posts supporting Israel (her last one was in 2023) nor has she mentioned the conflict whilst promoting the film. Zegler has.

[Farerb]

More controversy courtesy of Mrs. Zegler.

‘Snow White’ Star Rachel Zegler Declares ‘Free Palestine’ While Promoting Film Also Starring Gal Gadot
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/08/14/s ... gal-gadot/

Rachel Zegler's 'Free Palestine' call sparks backlash amidst Snow White promotion
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2488007/ra ... -promotion

???? The entire hate has been going towards Gal Gadot because 90% of the planet supports Palestine, have you been under a rock for the last 10 months?

This is not true. Your claim is only true for far leftists and Islamists internet spaces, if you go out of that bubble, you will see many different perspectives, especially when it comes to Americans (Democrats do not hate Gal Gadot like someone here claimed).
Have you seen how many points Israel received at the Eurovision televote? That should be a major indication to you.

Regardless of what you think about the conflict, it is still wrong to dehumanize Israeli Jews, especially ones that have no connection to the government or do not represent the country, and that is exactly what Zegler did to her co-star, which is extremely unprofessional. Not to mention that Marc Platt was the producer of this film and Bob Iger is still the CEO of Disney. Rachel is a moron. They don't care about what Rachel's opinion about the conflict is, they put $200-300 million in this movie and they expect their actors to not sabotage the movie by adding controversial statements to their tweet about the movie.

[Vlad]

Why this sub is mostly antiwoke people who hate any type of diversity?

[Thumper_93]

Pokenonbinary we had a problem about you calling me racist in the wish topic and it didn't end well for you, don't start a fight about it again because you are always looking for problems and insulting the rest of the people who don't think like you.
You are happy with Rachel? Great. Do you want everybody to believe that all the spanish people have olive skin, dark hair and look like gypsies? Ok, that's your problem, I'm not going to discuss with you about that. It's your opinion and it's ok with that.
You have to learn that your truth is not the only truth that exist. There are many opinions in the world and you must learn to respect them. People don't like certain things and in this case Rachel has not been well recevied the same way that many people didn't like Halle as Ariel or Asha from Wish. It is because of their races? maybe. Rachel is not black but people don't like her because she doesn't look like the character and because she doesn't know about beeing quiet. You want evidences? go to see the dislikes that the trailer has or read the comments in social media. There are people who loves her and people who hates her.
I don't have any problem with her because of her aspect. I simply don't like the way that she talked about the original character and the way that she's involved in polemics that hurts the film.
About Gal I have to say that she's not the main problem here. She's been proud of beeing from Israel all her life and she has made great box offices with some of her films. This conflict is not new. Right now some part of the people may be upset about her because of the conflict is harder than it was before but they are not canceling the movie because of her because at least she didn't complaining about the movie and her character all the time. And Surprise! She doesn't look like the original character, she's not a blonde actress with pale skin and people are happy with her. Why? Because she fixs the role and they made agreat job with her characterization.
And please, don't name a p0rn acctress in a Disney forum again. It's nasty

[Pokenonbinary]

Pokenonbinary we had a problem about you calling me racist in the wish topic and it didn't end well for you, don't start a fight about it again because you are always looking for problems and insulting the rest of the people who don't think like you.
You are happy with Rachel? Great. Do you want everybody to believe that all the spanish people have olive skin, dark hair and look like gypsies? Ok, that's your problem, I'm not going to discuss with you about that. It's your opinion and it's ok with that.
You have to learn that your truth is not the only truth that exist. There are many opinions in the world and you must learn to respect them. People don't like certain things and in this case Rachel has not been well recevied the same way that many people didn't like Halle as Ariel or Asha from Wish. It is because of their races? maybe. Rachel is not black but people don't like her because she doesn't look like the character and because she doesn't know about beeing quiet. You want evidences? go to see the dislikes that the trailer has or read the comments in social media. There are people who loves her and people who hates her.
I don't have any problem with her because of her aspect. I simply don't like the way that she talked about the original character and the way that she's involved in polemics that hurts the film.
About Gal I have to say that she's not the main problem here. She's been proud of beeing from Israel all her life and she has made great box offices with some of her films. This conflict is not new. Right now some part of the people may be upset about her because of the conflict is harder than it was before but they are not canceling the movie because of her because at least she didn't complaining about the movie and her character all the time. And Surprise! She doesn't look like the original character, she's not a blonde actress with pale skin and people are happy with her. Why? Because she fixs the role and they made agreat job with her characterization.
And please, don't name a p0rn acctress in a Disney forum again. It's nasty

Once again using the word gypsies unrelated to spaniards as if Spain didn't had (at least) 2 million of romani citizens (plus people with romani ancestry who don't claim to be part of the ethnicity; like me that I have a romani grandpa)

And the comment about maria la piedra lol, she's known for appearing in Salvame and other Telecinco programs, I didnt even knew she was a sex worker (and sex work is work, don't stigmatise them)


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About the Gal Gadot topic from other users:

I don't hate Gal Gadot, I don't hate israelis, I simply stated the obvious, she got tons of HATE TWEETS when the trailer released, it's a fact, just go to social media (twitter, tiktok and instagram)

And the one person talking about Israel votes in Eurovision??? Eurovision has been known for being easy to fake public votes, Azerbaijan for example won a decade ago by giving free Phone data if you voted for them abroad

Once again, I don't have any problem with Gal, I follow her in social media and she has never said anything bad, she only focused in the hostages and never said anything about palestinians good or bad

About israel I don't like the government and apartheid system but I don't have a problem with israeli civilians, I don't support Hamas either

Edited to remove slur

Payo is not a slur, it just mean someone not romani, it's also used in catalan for "dude"

[Thumper_93]

I'm not going to argue with you anymore.
Have a good day and enjoy the movie.

[reee9948]

More controversy courtesy of Mrs. Zegler.

‘Snow White’ Star Rachel Zegler Declares ‘Free Palestine’ While Promoting Film Also Starring Gal Gadot
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/08/14/s ... gal-gadot/

Rachel Zegler's 'Free Palestine' call sparks backlash amidst Snow White promotion
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2488007/ra ... -promotion

???? The entire hate has been going towards Gal Gadot because 90% of the planet supports Palestine, have you been under a rock for the last 10 months?

Go out of your social media echo chamber and see real life. There are just as many Israeli supporters as there are Palestinians and certain countries and regions support one side over the other. Like I know that a lot of Iranians don't support Palestine because of their government whom they despise so much funds Hamas. It doesn't help that the Palestinians supported the Iranian Revolution which cements their beliefs even more.

Why this sub is mostly antiwoke people who hate any type of diversity?

This isn't twitter.

[Sotiris]

Source: https://x.com/AmySpiro/status/1824134205267382508

[Lele]

The collector doll that you talk about it's supossed to be the 17” limited edition doll. The cape is stunning and the details of the birds holding it is lovely. The dress looks really good. The only issue that i have with her is the skirt. It's very yellow in my opinion but I supossed that Disney wants it this way like they did with Cinderella's costume.
There is also a photo of the Mattel doll around internet and the quality is really well too. They improved the fabrics and the facemolds. The queen and her looks almost like collector's edition dolls. I don't know if they changed the qualities because Disney is not going to make regular dolls and Mattel is going to be the only one releasing them.
About what Monky san about olive spamirad skin i have to say that not all the spaniards have dark hair, olive skin and looks like gypsies. We used to be represented like this but it's topical. Like the paella or the bullfighting

God why you're so obsessed with whitewashing your own country, most people in spain look like Rachel Zegler, its not our fault you look nordic

*meme de Maria La Piedra diciendo en Salvame "no es mi culpa si eres pobre"

Yes there are blonde blue eyed spaniards, but most of the country is people with dark hair, brown or black eyes and olive skin

To everybody else who's not spaniard, there's this obsession in social media from white nordic looking spaniards to pretend that they're the only type of spaniard, when the teaser from Wish came out a neonazi (yes she was one) named Cynthia or something very non-spanish said that she was pale and redhead and didn't felt represented with Asha, and all the quote tweets were spaniards saying our skin tone is closer to Asha than to Cynthia (a woman who identified as a viking, very spaniard lol)

And even if Rachel Zegler looked romani (there's not a single look) there are 2 million romani spaniards so keep crying if you hate calós, we will keep existing

(And sorry for making so many different posts, I don't know how to edit the original post with the quotes from other users, in my phone is difficult compared to a computer)

Previously you said youself you're only half spanish and half african/arab. If anything looks like you are trying to blackwash anything european.

Not surprising you were literally fangirling over a period where spain was colonized and r/ped by africans and arabs.

[Thumper_93]

God why you're so obsessed with whitewashing your own country, most people in spain look like Rachel Zegler, its not our fault you look nordic

*meme de Maria La Piedra diciendo en Salvame "no es mi culpa si eres pobre"

Yes there are blonde blue eyed spaniards, but most of the country is people with dark hair, brown or black eyes and olive skin

To everybody else who's not spaniard, there's this obsession in social media from white nordic looking spaniards to pretend that they're the only type of spaniard, when the teaser from Wish came out a neonazi (yes she was one) named Cynthia or something very non-spanish said that she was pale and redhead and didn't felt represented with Asha, and all the quote tweets were spaniards saying our skin tone is closer to Asha than to Cynthia (a woman who identified as a viking, very spaniard lol)

And even if Rachel Zegler looked romani (there's not a single look) there are 2 million romani spaniards so keep crying if you hate calós, we will keep existing

(And sorry for making so many different posts, I don't know how to edit the original post with the quotes from other users, in my phone is difficult compared to a computer)

Previously you said youself you're only half spanish and half african/arab. If anything looks like you are trying to blackwash anything european.

Not surprising you were literally fangirling over a period where spain was colonized and r/ped by africans and arabs.

Don't believe anything about What he/she said about spain.
Spain is more diverse than what she said. Not everybody look like gypsies. And yes, Payo is the word that gypsies use to call people who are not gypsies in a despective way. The even call payopony to people from south america (payo because they are not gypsies and pony because ponies are smaller than horses trying to reflect that south american people are smallee than caucasian people = payopony). As I said in the wish topic this person is saying lots of things about my country that are not true. As you said he/she acts like a fangirl. I have the feeling that is acting like someone who's trying to feel represented by all the characters that they Disney is releasing.

[carolinakid]

Thumper, I feel your comments about España and her people and culture are more accurate. And your responses are always kind.

[Thumper_93]

Thumper, I feel your comments about España and her people and culture are more accurate. And your responses are always kind.

Thank you so much! I don't know everything about my countrie's history but I think that I know enough to make me feel unrepresented by Wish or other stuff that Disney is trying to sell as Spanish

[Jules]

Thumper_93, for the record I have always imagined Spaniards as predominantly white, with caucasians spanning the spectrum from blonde hair and blue-eyes with fair skin, to dark hair and eyes with olive skin. I do not understand Pokenonbinary's drama.

It's similar in my country, though olive skin is significantly more common and blue eyes very rare. As for myself, I have dark eyes and hair, as well as olive skin, and suspect I could blend quite well in Italy, Spain and Greece.

Re the Rachel Zegler mess - she is technically Latina, but to an unaware observer I feel she looks white, albeit on the darker end of white skin, as with olive-skinned Europeans. For this reason, she should not have been cast, since the character of Snow White not only needs to be caucasian, but also among the whitest specimen of the caucasian race. (Most females in my country would not qualify, despite being white.)

[UmbrellaFish]

But Snow White is not a story about race, it’s a story about aging. The Evil Queen is threatened by Snow White’s youth and beauty. In 1937, definitions of beauty included fair skin and so there are references to this in the 1937 script. But that definition of beauty no longer makes sense in 2024, so it’s being changed for the remake. Snow White isn’t Raisin in the Sun. That’s a story about race. Snow White is more in the vein of All About Eve— that’s a story about sex and aging, like Snow White.

I know some people are hung up that her name will no longer refer to “skin white as snow,” but again, I don’t think that detail is important in the story. And we’re acting like there aren’t people of all shades named Blanche or Blanca in the real world.