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Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 1:51 pm**

A huge upset, in the eyes of official Hollywood. Most have pegged Bill Murray and Sean Penn as the favorites for the Oscar, but actors make up the bigges block of Academy voters and Depp is truly showing that he's "the people's champion". Could Jack Sparrow actually take home the Oscar?

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:00 pm**

Why not? he is a wonderful actor and he did very well in this motion picture. Alot of women think he's cute, but not me. I likes Orlando Bloom.

LADIES! here are some piccys up for grabs of Johnney D:

The last one is the coolest if I do say so myself. ^_~ I think he deserves this award! ^o^

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:13 pm**

Personally i think its Penn or Depp. To me Bill Murray and lost in translation are wonderfully overrated this year.

Bill Murray is solid, but not what i'd call spectacular in the movie, in fact you could argue the real star is Japan itself.

The movie is overrated and from my end incredibly shallow. These people are sad, depressed people and you don't particularly feel for them. Their victims of their own decisions and lives and you just kind of wait through the whole movie for something....ANYTHING to happen.

It's like art, someone says it is good and people find reasons it is good. If it were directed by John Smith and not a Coppola it probably gets little notice. But the hype blew it way out of proportion. It's a good movie, but it's just the type of "artistic" expression that trendsetters would have you believe is life altering.

For my money Depp gave the most life to his character and went out on the furthest limb for his role. Which of course means the oscar wont go to him, though if it did, it would be history making.

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:14 pm**

I was really surprised when he won. All the other categories...had gone with the obvious, with the frontrunners. But I was glad Depp won. He was so great in that film, a very fun performance...in an enjoyable popcorn movie. As for the Oscar, I think it will be a close race, for sure, with Penn, Murray, and Depp.

But Depp obviously has the support of the actors, yeah. But I still think he's the underdog, still under Penn and Murray. Last year, Chris Walken and Renee Zellweger won at the SAG, then lost to Chris Cooper and Nicole Kidman at the Academy Awards, so...

I'm for Bill Murray or Johnny Depp, either one. It'll be interesting to see what happens...

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:28 pm**

Edge wrote:Bill Murray is solid, but not what i'd call spectacular in the movie, in fact you could argue the real star is Japan itself.

The movie is overrated and from my end incredibly shallow. These people are sad, depressed people and you don't particularly feel for them. Their victims of their own decisions and lives and you just kind of wait through the whole movie for something....ANYTHING to happen.

My family had a similar reaction to Lost in Translation, when I saw it with them. They really didn't like the film, thought that Murray was good, but thought the film...was depressing and pointless. And that they didn't feel sorry for the characters. And I can see that, but I actually liked it...not so much for the story itself (though I liked the natural feel, dialogue, like a kind of documentary feel, and I liked the pacing), but for the camera-work, the acting...but I felt that Scarlett Johansson was better than Bill Murray.

My two favorite independent, smaller-type films of 2003...were Lost in Translation and In America, but Lost in Translation does feel rather shallow...compared with In America, especially, which is so hopeful and warm.

And I've noticed that, every year for the past few years, the Oscars seem to have...at least one acting upset. Adrien Brody last year, Halle Berry the year before, Marcia Gay Harden in 2000, so...another one this year? I think there will be at least one...

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 2:34 pm**

Well, in some respects it will be a shame if Depp wins for Pirates, as he's done much better work in the past for no recognition at all. I'm not sure he deserves it for Pirates. (Please don't be hatin').

I haven't seen Penn's performance in 21 Grams. I'm not sure if it's even been released in the UK (despite being nominated in the British BAFTA awards - go figure!), but I'm pretty sure Penn will have done better too - namely in I Am Sam (at least he was nominated for that role).

I sort of feel the Oscars is somewhat loosing the plot. Denzil Washington winning Best Actor for Training Day was laughable considering his wonderful performances in past films, but the Academy obviously decided to reward him for overlooked performances by making him win for a mediocre performance, and I'm pretty sure the same is true for Nicole Kidman's award for her smallish part in The Hours (although she was nominated for Moulin Rouge the year before). I'm not so sure the Academy is actually voting for individual performances anymore. I sort of think if Depp does win, it will be an acknowledgement of past injustices rather than his Pirates performance.

Personally I’d love to see Paul Giamatti get nominated and win for his role in American Splendor. I’ve been following him for a while – ever since Man in the Moon – and liked him (he was the only watchable performance in Burton’s ill-advised Planet of the Apes ‘reimagining’) and he excels himself in American Splendor.

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:17 pm**

2099net wrote:I haven't seen Penn's performance in 21 Grams. I'm not sure if it's even been released in the UK (despite being nominated in the British BAFTA awards - go figure!)

Actually, he was nominated for Mystic River. There is a snowball's chance in hell that Depp will win (though I loved Pirates). I see Penn or Murray

winning.

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 4:56 pm**

I love Johnny! I thought it was so funny last night when they showed boxes with live pictures of the nominees - except for Johnny (because he wasn't there) - instead they put up a picture of Jack Sparrow! So there's Sean Penn and Bill Murray looking all aprehensive and suspenseful and there's Capt. Jack just staring out . . . it was great

. . . anyway, yeah, Johhny doesn't have a chance of winning an Oscar but I would LOVE it if he did.

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:08 pm**

Squirrel - i didnt hate the movie persay, i just think it was way oversold. funny thing is that seems to be buzz going around now and i think it might be hurting bill murray's chances. now that main stream movie goers have seen the movie, a lot of people are coming away.....a little less than wowed. if you look even at amazon.com for a brief example, the film has averaged like 2 or 3 stars. not bad, but not great either.

depp is a long shot to win just based on academy history, which means that penn is probably the favorite. in an interesting turn it would mean three different organizations liked 3 different actors the best. GG picked murray, SAG picked depp.

to be honest the awards are almost meaningless for me. they are the ultimate in politics and head scratching decisions.

whatever is trendy will win it, though 90% of the time history picks a different winner.

I've always though a hall of fame would be much better, this way you have the time to see how the movie or the actor stands when judged by history not just in a particular moment.

Posted: **Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:56 pm**

True, Johnny's been shafted in the past, but we're only comparing his performance in Pirates vs. the performance of the other nominees in the respective films, and (though I haven't seen all the other noms), I DO feel that Johnny deserves the award, and I'm sure he would win the People's Choice for this as well. Sadly, I don't think the Academy could swallow their pride and vote for a Disney family feature that borders on comedy... they usually value the film (the artsier, the better, in their eyes) more than the acting performance that SHOULD be the focus of the award.

-Aaron

Posted: **Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:56 pm**

awallaceunc wrote:True, Johnny's been shafted in the past, but we're only comparing his performance in Pirates vs. the performance of the other nominees in the respective films, and (though I haven't seen all the other noms), I DO feel that Johnny deserves the award, and I'm sure he would win the People's Choice for this as well. Sadly, I don't think the Academy could swallow their pride and vote for a Disney family feature that borders on comedy... they usually value the film (the artsier, the better, in their eyes) more than the acting performance that SHOULD be the focus of the award.

But who knows, wonders never cease.

-Aaron

Posted: **Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:15 pm**

He completely deserves the award, because he saved POTC from being just another standard summer movie. There are other elements in the movie that are good, but it can't be argued that Depp is what made it a success. He made it a unique movie.

Bill Murray was great in Lost in Translation, but it's not as if he were largely responsible for its quality (which I believe is mostly due to Sofia Coppela). I haven't seen Mystic River, so I can't comment on Sean Penn's performance, but I doubt it would change my opinion.

So, I hope Depp goes home with the Oscar, but I have a feeling Penn's going to get it.

2099net wrote:I sort of feel the Oscars is somewhat loosing the plot. I'm not so sure the Academy is actually voting for individual performances anymore. I sort of think if Depp does win, it will be an acknowledgement of past injustices rather than his Pirates performance.

The Acadamy Awards have been like this for years - its all about politics and nothing more.

Posted: **Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:29 pm**

Jack wrote: The Acadamy Awards have been like this for years - its all about politics and nothing more.

A-men.

-Aaron

Posted: **Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:29 pm**

awallaceunc wrote:I'm sure he would win the People's Choice for this as well.

He did . . . didn't he?

Posted: **Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:02 am**

He may have, I've been totally out of tune with this year's awards and what not, so busy with college. I don't even know when they are/were.

-Aaron

Posted: **Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:40 am**

2099net wrote:Well, in some respects it will be a shame if Depp wins for Pirates, as he's done much better work in the past for no recognition at all. I'm not sure he deserves it for Pirates. (Please don't be hatin').

Yes, but the Academy hardly ever seems to give out awards for a solid performace, but rather for a body of work.

For example, one couldn't really say that Denzel Washington's performance was anything spectacular in Training Day (it was ok, but waaaay over the top at times, and a little cliche); but there is no doubting he has been a great actor over the years, and missed out for other roles. So it was a "body of work" award.

Sean Penn is still even money at this point, for the same reasons as Denzel won. However, given his snubbing of past ceremonies and his "bad boy" rep (and likelihood he won't even turn up), some Academy members may in fact snub him.

Bill Murray is the next favourite (and my personal), who has also had some fine performances over his career but tends to get overlooked because it is comedy. I think he carried Lost in Translation (also my personal favourite this year), and is about due for recognition from the Academy. His role in LIT was not pure comedy, but subtle as well.

Which brings us to Mr. Depp. he has the same stigma that Murray has got, in the sense that he was nomiated for a comedy performance (albeit a very good one). He has had some very fine performances. 2099net - I wouldn't feel that it is a shame if he wins for Pirates, as many fine actors have won for performances that didn't showcase their full talents (e.g. Denzel), but he may be awarded for a "body of work". I know it shouldn't work that way, but the realities of the Oscars says that it does.

I think Penn is most likely as the Academy never seem to consider "comedy" acting as "real" acting. I think it is harder to do, but I guess they could surprise me this year.

It is really a 3 horse race, so the other 2 I won't bother mentioning

Posted: **Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:19 am**

Yeah, the acting award might as well be an award for the movie as a whole most of the times. I don't care for that criteria, but I guess that's the problem with the Oscars. It's not our criteria.

-Aaron

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:15 pm**

2099net wrote:I'm not sure he deserves it for Pirates. (Please don't be hatin').

Sorry 99.... im hatin... IT WAS THE MOST AWSOME PERFOMANCE... EVER!
IN THE HISTORY OF MAN! or at least in a disney movie.... in the year 2003....
But i dont understand how you think he doesn't deserve it! in my opinin it was one of the most incredibal perfomances ive ever seen. I mean, he just had an entire feeling that he was projecting and you could just feel the character, making you want to know him... and if that's not an amazing perfomance... i dont know what is! plus, could you imagine Sean Penn or Bill Murry managing to put half the characteristics and originality into their roles that Depp does?? personally i think that it would have been interesting to see Penn as Jack Sparrow, but he wouldn't have half the presense of Depp!

2099net wrote:I'm not so sure the Academy is actually voting for individual performances anymore. I sort of think if Depp does win, it will be an acknowledgement of past injustices rather than his Pirates performance.

I agree. That's why I think that it'll be a shame if he does win, because it wouldn't be proving jack schitt about how incredible he was a Sparrow. All political.

Speaking of Johnny Depp.... who's going to be producing Burton's Willy Wonka? Any chance of it being Disney? personally i think Depp's gonna be amazing in it.... cant wait...

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:11 pm**

Well, I sort of assumed the new Willy Wonka film would be Warners like the first.

As for Captain Jack Sparrow. I'm sorry, but it's ham. Now, there's nothing wrong with ham. There's a time and a place for it, and not all actors can do it. But it's ham. I don't think ham acting deserves an Oscar®.

It just doesn't compare to his performances in Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood, Benny and Joon, Fear and Loathing in Las Vagas and Blow. Perhaps not even his performances in Sleepy Hollow and From Hell. Each of these perfomances required a whole range of acting, that Pirates of the Caribbean only scratched the surface of. Depp had a good performance in a part not written as a creditible Oscar® contender.

Any of the above performances (bar the last two) are more worthy of an Oscar® than Jack Sparrow.

Posted: **Sat Feb 28, 2004 2:26 pm**

Loomis wrote:
2099net wrote:Well, in some respects it will be a shame if Depp wins for Pirates, as he's done much better work in the past for no recognition at all. I'm not sure he deserves it for Pirates. (Please don't be hatin').
Yes, but the Academy hardly ever seems to give out awards for a solid performace, but rather for a body of work.

For example, one couldn't really say that Denzel Washington's performance was anything spectacular in Training Day (it was ok, but waaaay over the top at times, and a little cliche); but there is no doubting he has been a great actor over the years, and missed out for other roles. So it was a "body of work" award.

As I said, giving Denzel an award for Training Day was laughable.

Loomis wrote:Sean Penn is still even money at this point, for the same reasons as Denzel won. However, given his snubbing of past ceremonies and his "bad boy" rep (and likelihood he won't even turn up), some Academy members may in fact snub him.

I actually think Penn is an underrated actor. No having seen Mystic River, I cannot say if he deserves an award or not.

Loomis wrote:Bill Murray is the next favourite (and my personal), who has also had some fine performances over his career but tends to get overlooked because it is comedy. I think he carried Lost in Translation (also my personal favourite this year), and is about due for recognition from the Academy. His role in LIT was not pure comedy, but subtle as well.

I actually think Bill's best performance was in Mad Dog and Glory. The problem with LiT was that Bill's performance didn't seem that far removed from his "public personality" as percieved by the public. I'm not saying it is his personality, but it sure seems that way. It's sort of like how Jim Carrey doesn't get much respect for his rubber-faced lunacy anymore - despite his performances obviously requiring great talent. For this reason I can't see Murray winning.

Loomis wrote:Which brings us to Mr. Depp. he has the same stigma that Murray has got, in the sense that he was nomiated for a comedy performance (albeit a very good one). He has had some very fine performances. 2099net - I wouldn't feel that it is a shame if he wins for Pirates, as many fine actors have won for performances that didn't showcase their full talents (e.g. Denzel), but he may be awarded for a "body of work". I know it shouldn't work that way, but the realities of the Oscars says that it does.

But that sort of defeats the whole point? You know, I'm not blind to the realities, but it is disappointing.

Loomis wrote:I think Penn is most likely as the Academy never seem to consider "comedy" acting as "real" acting. I think it is harder to do, but I guess they could surprise me this year.

It is really a 3 horse race, so the other 2 I won't bother mentioning

I think Penn will win based on Mystic River (which has good reviews all round - including his performance) plus the body of work factor - including I Am Sam and 21 Grams - both of which have had good performance reviews.

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