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This is funny.....

Great ad. I've seen it before. I hope this film is good, the latest trailers are giving me hope it may be really good.

Speaking of that, I've never post a discussion about "X-Men: First Class", because I didn't see that film over the summer, but it's coming out on Blu-Ray this Friday, it's a Marvel film owned by Disney just to stick with the Disney discussion and it's called "X-Men: First Class". I found this trailer here.
If you love the "X-Men" films and if you are a Marvel fan, check it out. I hope my brother will be getting it soon. Any thoughts?

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It's still not Disney.

SpringHeelJack wrote:It's still not Disney.

As I said before, Marvel is owned by Disney and 20th Century-Fox is the distributor of the film, not Disney. Marvel is the studio that brought you the upcoming "Avengers" film for next year. I have to agree with that.

Remember Disney purchased Marvel since 2009, it sure is.

Disney does not own the rights to X-Men: First Class, like they do with Thor and Captain America. It's why we won't see Wolverine and the other X-Men in The Avengers (ditto Spider-Man, whose film rights belong to Sony).

Yeah, it's complicated, but at the moment, Disney/Paramount are not allowed to put the X-Men and Spider-Man characters in their live-action features.

What he said.

This topic will end up being moved. But till then, part of me loved this film, part of me hated it! I was not a fan of various bits in it of the violence, language, sex category. But, my biggest beef with it was most likely how it spits in the face of continuity with the last two "X-Men" films.

I realize "X3" and "Wolverine" were not too popular with the comic geek fan boys, but I don't think they were that bad. I just feel that if you are going to call a film a prequel, don't make it a sort of re-boot as well. It just rubbed me the wrong way. But, future films could fix certain bits of continuity damaged.

Well, Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughan have said that they purposely ignored the events depicted in X-Men 3 and Wolverine. It's not even the first superhero movie to do that as Superman Returns starts right where Superman II left off, erasing Superman III and IV from the continuity.

estefan wrote:Well, Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughan have said that they purposely ignored the events depicted in X-Men 3 and Wolverine. It's not even the first superhero movie to do that as Superman Returns starts right where Superman II left off, erasing Superman III and IV from the continuity.

Yeah...I think we all like to erase Superman 3 and 4 from our minds....and even Superman Returns....I liked X-men 3, it was good for me and I enjoyed Wolverine Origins. Maybe that's because I didn't read too much of the comics and the only reason I knew of X-men when the first one came to theaters, was because of Heroclix (a figure hobby game type of thing), and the 90s cartoon series. which went above my head since I was only 5 when that came out. All I did was basicly say ooh wolverine cool when the cartoon came out in the 90s....

estefan wrote:Well, Bryan Singer and Matthew Vaughan have said that they purposely ignored the events depicted in X-Men 3 and Wolverine. It's not even the first superhero movie to do that as Superman Returns starts right where Superman II left off, erasing Superman III and IV from the continuity.

And Bryan Singer was behind both moves. Interesting...

I loved X-Men First Class. It was really well done, yes there was some violence/language elements that some could be offended by but the one is *really* funny. If you saw it you know what I mean, I won't spoil it for those who haven't.

This film made the 60's look like a really fun time to be around. I loved seeing Prof X hitting on girls at bars, it was nice to see him *trying* to have a good time.

Anyway, I enjoyed this just as much as the first 2 X-Men films and look forward to more of these.

I believe there are only three instances in First Class where it's heavily implied that X3 and Wolverine were ignored (Professor X being crippled in the end even though he's shown walking in X3 and Wolverine, Emma Frost's age and personality being inconsistent with the one introduced in Wolverine; ditto for Moira McTaggert in X3) and all three are actually quite explainable if you take into account things that were said and shown in all the X-movies:

- Charles walking in X3 and XO:W can easily be attributed to his psychic abilities and seen as some sort of mental projection, or one can assume he regained his ability to walk sometime in-between First Class and Wolverine and then lost it before X-Men. It has actually happened numerous times in the comics, so it's not without a source-book precedent.

- Emma in XO:W is never actually referred to as Emma Frost - in the credits, she's credited as "Kayla's sister". So, movie-wise, they just happened to be two different characters with same first names and similar powers - Emma Frost and Emma Silverfox; for all we know, they may be a mother and a daughter.

- Moira in First Class may as well be X3's Moira mother or aunt.

To be fair, these continuity changes may not have been as malevolent as fans assume. Yes, they were deliberate but the reason may have been to tell a better story that wouldn't have been told otherwise, to create better drama (in that regard, Charles being crippled in FC works amazingly well), or characters were not utilized properly in previous installments so they worked around to include them in the prequel (Emma, Moira). But regardless of this, it's quite annoying to me as a fan when a studio can't maintain a simple continuity in a movie series (especially when said movie series consists of only five films) and fans are forced to come up with loopholes or explanations in order to make the movies more enjoyable to themselves. Yes, the last two movies were not everyone's cup of tea, but that's no reason for the producer or the director to go on (possible) ego-trips and try to fix what's not broken. Just do your best and if in the process you manage to correct previous movies' shortcomings without actually contradicting them, more power to you – it's a sign of creativity, and, more importantly, character integrity.

And it's not like FC fits perfectly in line with only X1 and X2 either. Here are just a few discrepancies:

- In X1, Charles said him and Erik first met when they were both 17. In FC, they met much later in life.

- In X1 Charles said he had no idea Erik obtained a helmet that blocked Charles’ telepathic abilities. In FC, Erik takes the helmet from Shaw.

- In X2, Hank is shown in his human form on a TV. In FC, he has already undergone further mutation/change in appearance.

Also, there are things in FC that go against fan-theory that X3 and Wolverine have been completely erased from X-continuity: Beast's and Mystique's story arcs from X3 were actually given more depth by FC. It's the same with Charles shady personality shown in X3; in FC he's not quite that sympathetic old man from X1 and X2 and is shown to have a darker streak.

Either way, I still loved First Class and it's tied with The Last Stand as my favorite X-Men movie (yes, I know it's an unpopular opinion). And even if further movies screw up the continuity even more (or hopefully fix it), I'm still going to enjoy the hell out of this amazing franchise.

As for the Superman Returns thing, I actually made my way to ignore the line about Martha Kent dying (the only major contradiction, IMHO) in Superman III and imagine her being away in Superman IV, and watch Returns AFTER both Superman IV and Supergirl. It actually makes more sense like that, especially since it's stated in Supergirl that Superman is away - I like to think he's gone searching for Krypton remnants from Returns. And Superman III and Superman IV aren't even that terrible. It's especially true when it comes to IV - there are beautiful character moments and traces of a decent story; sadly, low budget brought it down.

Rant over.

Btw, shouldn't this thread be moved to the "Movies, Music & TV" sub-forum for having absolutely no relation to Disney (at least until Fox's rights expire)?

I loved X-Men: First Class and hopes for sequels! The cast was terrific, especially Michael Fassbender as Erik Lehnsherr/Magneto, and the script and the whole "feel"/atmosphere of the movie was really cool. I liked the 60s setting and the historical references.