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I'll be honest, as soon as I saw the word "de-freudanize" I stopped reading.

I'd probably use some ideas from Faerie Tale Theatre, including the Demon Radish.

avonleastories95 wrote:I'd probably use some ideas from Faerie Tale Theatre, including the Demon Radish.

Demon Radish? Is the character actually a vegetable?

My version of Rapunzel would've been none.

Dint think it was a good fairytale for Disney to adapt though Tangled isn't bad. Could've benefited from less sarcasm humor though and a better climax.

^ And a better villain. While Mother Gothel is alright, I think they could have made her a lot better. But maybe it's just because I can't help but compare her to the last villain that kept the protagonist of the movie locked away in a tower.

[quote="Jackoleen"]Dear Disney Enthusiasts,

I would have given Mother Gothel another name, because I didn't know that she'd always been called Mother Gothel.Disney quote]


I know in the Barbie version she was called Gothel but I never knew she had a name in the original fairy tale. I thought she was just called the witch.

Mine would have been called "Rapunzelstiltskin!" It would be a hilarious mash-up romp. Rapunzel is stuck in a tower by the old witch Mother Gothel and is saved by a strange little man named Rumplestiltskin who claims he can spin straw into gold. Together they strike up an unlikely friendship while he makes a gold ladder for her in exchange for her first born child. The friendship soon turns to romance, much to the consternation of Prince Fetching who lives in the tower next door and has had is eye on the comely Rapunzel for years. In the end, the oddly matched couple elopes and Rapunzel fulfills her promise to Rumplestiltskin by marrying him and giving birth to his child! A great soundtrack of late 90s pop songs and thirty-year-old funk tunes permeates throughout.

It will, of course, be positively dripping with Disney Essence (c) which I extracted from Walt's head in his cryo-chamber to apply directly on the film.

Rapunzel was never a favorite tale of mine (neither was Sleeping Beauty). I actually compare SB and Rapunzel (the tales) a lot in my mind. If I had made the film, Rapunzel would definitely have been a lot more somber and mature (physically and maybe mentally, too). I always thought of the character from the tale as similar to Pocahontas or Aurora, for Disney comparison. Also, I might've kept the original story with the parents myself, but no big deal.

I personally think Disney managed to do more with it than I would ever have expected. I really liked the drop of sun aspect they gave to the flower. That being said, I really enjoyed the HBO “Happily Ever After” version, with Whoopi Goldberg as the villainess. (I believe Whoopi would really like to play a villainess in a Disney film, but she’s never got the chance--that HBO show made me think she could possibly pull it off if she tried really well)

I think this thread might be right for another Disney Essence debate…

dd, while not a true villainess, didnt whoopi play shenzi in the lion king?

I did actually come up with my own outline a few years ago (hey, coming up with outlines is more original than most fan-fiction ). Here's a brief approximation of what happened:

Gothel was a wanted woman, known for her casual witchcraft and her bitter resentment of society and its evils (she was herself a victim of society, being generally put upon, having no friends or family etc). Gothel had eventually had enough of the raids upon her abandoned garden (a crow minion had reported the news to her) and had actually killed Rapunzel's parents, but became remorseful after seeing the baby Rapunzel. Knowing that the baby could live an unhappy life under society's evils, she took her away into the forest, where she vowed to raise her into an enlightened, good natured girl.

Rapunzel obviously becomes this, but is naturally nothing like Gothel. She was originally free to go where she wanted, but was locked in the tower after Gothel was concerned about letting herself get caught via Rapunzel's innocence and open-minded naivety. She actually met the prince, who befriended Rapunzel during a chance encounter when she strayed too close to the village (the meeting with the prince was the motive for her imprisonment). Gothel obviously loved Rapunzel too much to do away with her, so she simply imprisoned her in a hidden tower deep in the woods, coming up with some far-fetched reason for it (which Rapunzel initially believes, but always seems suspicious about). Rapunzel's hair had originally been longish (probably down to her knees), but Gothel put a spell on it to extend it so she could use it as a means of getting into the tower everyday to bring Rapunzel food.

The story then plays out much the way the original fairy tale does, though the romance was more like an evolving friendship. After the wounding and near death of the prince, Gothel is confronted by Rapunzel, who has finally had enough of her adoptive mother's twisted ways. Gothel then dies somehow (how I could never decide), which Rapunzel is naturally somewhat upset about (as much as she came to hate Gothel, she was still a maternal figure). She then realises she has the prince, and they marry, reintroducing Rapunzel to human society, which for all its evils, does have lots of good too.

Obviously you can tell that this version would have followed the original story relatively closely (at least compared to Tangled), but looking at it now, it kinda seems sort of stale to me, probably too derivative of previous works (in particular Sleeping Beauty and The Little Mermaid). Gosh, Disney will never hire me as a writer at this rate.

I think that I would keep it closer to the original tale than Tangled was. I would have loved for them to have included the King trying to get the flower from Gothel, but I really like the whole drop of sunlight-flower giving Rapunzel magic powers thing, the fact that she was royalty, not Flynn, and the lanterns. But I do think that Flynn should have died.

Wonderlicious, hm, I like a lot of your ideas of Gothel being derided by and hating society, it almost goes with the original tale's locking Rapunzel up out of protection, and something knew. It also reminds me of Into the Woods' witch, who seemed to have a similar situation, even saying Rapunzel could be safe behind walls "like I could not". I could see her hating Rapunzel's parents for stealing from her as yet another sign of society's evil...I also like Rapunzel being taken from the prince and put in the tower, but how old would she have been when she met the prince and how old would she have been when he saved her from the tower? And think of a way for her to die. You can do it, even if it's not the greatest way ever.

Disney's Divinity wrote:Also, I might've kept the original story with the parents myself, but no big deal.

What did you mean? You mean keep the original story's peasant parents, like mine?:

I actually tried to think of how Tangled could work being closer to Walt's fairy tales, with the title Rapunzel of freaking course. It begins with the original tale’s witch with a garden, and then the drop of sun in the new film. It begins with Bastian (the new name for the Flynn type character, read on) or someone else narrating a beautiful golden-covered storybook. This narrator says that every century, the sun aligns or turns just the right way to the Earth or something, or is most powerful at this time, and Mother Gothel, who is a witch but not an all-powerful one and has her rules and limitations, grows a Rapunzel plant (which produces both lettuce and beautiful flowers on it), and chants a spell like “Sun, gleam, glow, send down a drop, to make it grow and aging stop. With your light create a cure, to change things back to how they were.”

The drop of sun falls on the Rapunzel lettuce, and Mother Gothel eats it to make her as beautiful as she once was. If she she eats only some each time she grows too old, she can have enough lettuce to last until the next century when she could cast the spell again. But then the man of a neighboring peasant couple steals the entire plant and all it's lettuce from her for his wife with a troubling pregnancy (they need lots of lettuce), so she takes their baby daughter Rapunzel in return. Mother Gothel finds the abandoned tower and lets Rapunzel's hair grow long as she cares for her pseudo-daughter, but her growing love for her does not overcome her own selfish desires, much how I see it in the film. Then a prince named Bastian (more German fairy tale sounding and Walt Disney-ish name) sees the witch climb Rapunzel's hair and goes to give it a try, as in the original tale.

But Prince Bastian has the same sarcastic, carefree, fun-and-adventure-seeking, not-wanting-to-settle-down personality that Flynn has in the current film, he's just running from the palace guards for being a runaway prince (kinda like Jasmine) instead of for being a wanted thief! He meets Rapunzel, gets frying panned, but he actually likes her. But he doesn't want to go back to his palace, where Rapunzel wants to see the lights that happen every night on his birthday (hey, was there any reason for Mother Gothel to even tell Rapunzel when her real birthday was in the actual film? Out of love or care? So in my version Rapunzel wants to see them the same way those past princesses looked out their windows at the castles and wanted to have some freedom outside of their imprisoning homes, and the lights and castle look so magically beautiful!). Bastian also has gotten so used to the lights in person he doesn't really think they're special. But Rapunzel has grabbed his map of the land/world, or something of hers he wants, or something. He agrees to take her to see the lights, while trying to get her to be with him and run away somewhere, or, when she refuses to do that, tries to send her back home. But she won't do either, she is determined to see the lights, of course.

Mother Gothel has used magic to find out where Rapunzel is, with a crystal ball or bird or crow or something (Wonderlicious gave me the idea for a bird, though it's been done by Disney's past witches, but it fits the story so well). She uses the bird to make Rapunzel want to come home. Maybe she uses magic to make it call out in her voice, "Rapunzel, I miss you, come home" into Rapunzel's ears, making her think it's in her head and it's her conscience, but Bastian wants her with him, lights or no, and Rapunzel promises herself she'll go back to her mother later. Or maybe Mother Gothel puts magic objects in the bird's beak that when it drops them, monsters or bad things happen to make Rapunzel want to come home. Rapunzel and Bastian defeat or escape them, though, perhaps even using her own magical hair. She could heal Bastian with her hair after he fights a monster. However, Mother Gothel does eventually magically hear that Rapunzel will come home, and does see that Bastian does not want to settle down with Rapunzel, so she lets Rapunzel go knowing she'll come back soon or after she's "used" by Bastian.

But when they finally see the lights, (which Bastian disguises himself to see so the palace doesn't know the prince is there), the lights have more meaning to Bastian because he shares them with Rapunzel, who his love has grown for, so he's ready to settle down and be a prince with her, and Rapunzel also loves him by that point. Rapunzel goes to back her mother as promised because she fears her mother is worried about her and also wants her blessing to marry. When Rapunzel arrives, Rapunzel needs to go into the tower first, by herself, two can't go up at a time. Or maybe instead Mother Gothel lets something else down to climb, that she never gave Rapunzel before, of course, but provides for this time. When Rapunzel's close to the window and Bastian will try to climb up, she pulls it up so Bastian can't get in. She calls down to him, "Sorry, she needs my approval first! Now come Rapunzel, let's talk."

We see Mother Gothel try to explain why Rapunzel can't live with the prince, and she finally accidentally reveals she's not her real mother and just wants her hair, perhaps when Rapunzel refuses her explanations and says she'll go with Bastian anyway, but Mother Gothel ties her up. Bastian hears commotion in the tower and tries to go up the tower himself, then Rapunzel's hair is let down, he thinks it's alright, but when he goes up Mother Gothel pushes him out the window, into the thorns below, and he is blinded, just like in the original classic fairy tale. Mother Gothel then takes Rapunzel out of the tower to go somewhere else, for she knows Bastian could still try to get back in the tower blind.

But Rapunzel runs off, and also uses her hair to deflect and fight Mother Gothel. But then she says, "If you let me heal Bastian, I won't run away or fight you." So she goes to heal Bastian, but when Mother Gothel says "Wait, Rapunzel, you don't have to be over there, just your hair, come back over here!", Bastian uses a thorn, or his own sword/knife, to cut Rapunzel's hair close to her head, ending the magic. Mother Gothel grows so old she becomes ashes. Rapunzel cries over her mother, and cries that the prince is blind, and cries joy that she's with him, and the magic sun-lit tears heal Bastian. Now that Rapunzel and Bastian have each other as each other's dreams, Bastian asks, "Now what's your new dream?" Rapunzel says, "I don't need a new one...but I actually do have another one, now. It's finding my real parents." And she uses Prince Bastian's map to find her parents, they are reunited, and they all live happily ever after.

Thank you. More traditional, more Walt, and yet with the same personalites, emotions, and magic. The chameleon and super cop palace guard horse can be in there, too, except the horse is just rough in getting back Bastian, not ruthlessly mean about it.

If you don't think that ending with the thorns is good enough (though I love it! It's just enough like the original fairy tale and perfect for me!), then the film could pretty much have the same ending it currently has, with Bastian going into the tower and getting stabbed and all the rest, just ending with Rapunzel finding her parents with the map.

If you don't like that one, then perhaps one slightly different. The story happens as I said it until Rapunzel leaves with Bastian. Then Mother Gothel, who doesn't have a magic bird or crystal ball, finds Rapunzel herself, in the forest. She tells her that the prince will not love her because she is a peasant. Rapunzel refuses, but Mother Gothel knows the guards will help her since seeing their horse let her know Rapunzel was gone in the first place. She finds the guards, who reveal to her that Bastian has been running from the palace to avoid marrying a princess his parents want him to. She tells the guards that she knows Bastian will be returning to the kingdom that night, so they should prepare a welcome home, and get him. She also tells them that he has been treating the girl like a princess and misleading her that he likes her. She tells them the princess should kiss Bastian to show Rapunzel who he really loves, and since they've been apart so long.

Mother Gothel finds Rapunzel again and tells her that she now consents to her being with Bastian, and if he kisses her, that's a sign that she's the only girl he wants. Bastian goes into the castle in disguise to show Rapunzel the lights, but because Mother Gothel tipped the guards off to exactly where he would be for the lanterns, after Rapunzel and he share their love song, they are ambushed by the royal family, celebration, and the princess Bastian is supposed to marry. The King and Queen say to him, "Oh, dear, we heard that your nice treatment of this girl lead her into believing you loved her, but we all know that's silly and you want to marry Princess Doesntmatter."

The prince is too shocked for a moment to speak, the princess hugs and kisses him, and the naive Rapunzel thinks the kiss must mean he chooses that princess as the girl he wants, as Mother Gothel said, and runs off heartbroken while Bastian is too swept up in the people to run after her (think the prince chasing after Cinderella when, if you remember, the other ladies stopped him). The movie plays about the same as the current one except Bastian has to escape his palace with the help of the vikings as his parents locked him in his room "till the wedding ceremony", or if that's too harsh then maybe he just runs away again after telling his parents he must be with Rapunzel and chooses no other. Then the rest happens the same as the movie, with Rapunzel going after her real parents as "her new dream".

And if that doesn't work, then maybe Bastian doesn't tell Rapunzel he's a prince, because he doesn't want to be anyway, and he fears she'll expose him, but at the lights, thanks to Mother Gothel, he is discovered and Rapunzel not only thinks Bastian can only be with a princess, she's hurt he lied to her (as Mother Gothel also said he was lying and was really a prince), and before he can chase her as she goes back to the mother she thinks is honest and was looking out for her, he's swept up by too many people. And then the rest would be the same as I said before.

I envisioned Disney using movies like Sleeping Beauty and Beauty and the Beast as inspiration for the look and animation of the film. A grand hand-drawn animated film. With a strong orchestral score (kinda like Bambi, Pinocchio, Sleeping Beauty, Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King and Mulan). In terms of musical songs, the style would be like a mix of Beauty and the Beast and Sleeping Beauty. Mothel Gothel would be a mix of Lady Tremaine and the Queen (kinda like what she currently is in Tangled. The hero is a prince (unlike in Tangled). A Disney sidekick or 2 that does actually talk. And a great recording artist sing a great Disney song at the end. That would of been my vision of Rapunzel.

toonaspie wrote:

Dint think it

"Dint" is not a word..........should be "Didn't". Just to let you know that I do read this stuff.

Disney Duster wrote:

Disney's Divinity wrote:Also, I might've kept the original story with the parents myself, but no big deal.

What did you mean? You mean keep the original story's peasant parents, like mine?

I actually like that idea of having Gothel be a witch growing the flowers in her garden better than what ended up in the film. For one, yes, it is true to the story while still being somewhat original (the drop of sun). But I think it explains some of the events better. Like how Gothel would randomly find a flower with a drop from the sun, or how she would take the baby from the real parents (a witch taking a baby from peasants wouldn't be so hard, but an average woman stealing a princess from a palace...?). And I think maybe making her witch would've given her a little more flair. Maybe she'd be like Flora, Fauna, and Merriweather, and keep her magic a secret from Rapunzel?

I still like the film, but I actually think I would've liked that. All that would really be changed is the intro. And I've always wished they'd kept the name Bastian. I think I've liked that name ever since The Neverending Story, so that might be why.

This would be my epic version of Disney's Rapunzel:

Freeza really did have a major influence. Freeza fucked Goku's mom and is in fact, his real father, clearly. This cause his armor DNA to inflict Goku's bloodstream. but Freeza doesn't get to tell him that, Till he escapes from Hell with Cell, fuses with Cell, and becomes his Ultimate form number 1 trillion. This took him over 9,000 years to achieve. In this form, Freeza has over 1000 different universes inside of his body, created from his mass of pure, raw energy. Inside Freeza's belly, in every universe, Broly and Sephiroth fought each other till every universe exploded. This cause Freeza to get him a stomach ache. Freeza gets sick, and shits out 2000 different Broly and Sephiroth all over Goku's face(who at this point is SSJ 10,000).
This pisses Goku off so bad, Goku becomes Super Saiyan 0. By achieving this, he going so far backwards, he breaks the universe. In reaction, Freeza also becomes form number 0, in which he reverts back to a fetus. Doing so, every universe inside of him is crushed, causing a huge explosion that destroys universe 1 and 2 which is both the Trunks timeline and the normal timeline.
But thankfully to Goku it was Bulma, Gohen (Goten, Gohan fusion), and Trunks who collected the black dragonballs scattered across the multiverse, And they wished everything back to normal. But black Shenron had limits, and could only do this if he turned Goku into "Blacku". Goku become Blacku, the most powerful warrior in pure raw existence who is more powerful than Superman and Spiderman combined. He then crap out a super long long hair girl in SSJ 5,000 in the process, named......




Rapunzel.


The End

Um . . . who called the spell-check police?

dvdjunkie wrote:toonaspie wrote:

Dint think it

"Dint" is not a word..........should be "Didn't". Just to let you know that I do read this stuff.

Here's my crappy version of Disney's Rapunzel. Hope you enjoy, because I sure as hell won't.

One day, Rapunzel got captured by Mother Gothel and then, Mother Gothel told Rapunzel that she could get laid like a chicken easily. Then, a hero named Morris MacDonald, a tough, horse riding rat came by and saved Rapunzel because she wants to go outside and not be laid like a chicken. She and Morris then sail with the vikings and then, they visit the landscape known as Whereland.

Whereland is where Rapunzel was born and wanted her parents to see. Then, a finger was here, and it was a haunted place, because it was controlled by Mother Gothel. But then, Rapunzel and Morris were actually Batman and Scooby-Doo.

FIN!