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I'd like to make a new post for this, because it's an interesting problem.
Sleeping Beauty is one of my favorite classics.
A lot has been said about the restoration, the colours, etc.

Yesterday I watched the film again and I realized how much the audio is off. It really is a big mess. Everything is shifted.
For example, in the gift of beauty, the music is ahead of the chorus.
The whole chorus is sung a second too late. This is really disturbing to me.
It doesn't make sense anymore musically.
Everything in the film is shifted, some lines are shifted backwards, other forwards. Also many spoken lines are placed on a different part of backgroundmusic, which means the backgroundmusic is shifted, as the spoken lines are still in place because of the moving mouths.
All the songs are different, you can hear they separated all the parts in the opening song because the timing of the voices and instruments is different. Also in the scenes in the woods there are many strange adjustments in timing, instruments, voices.

So, when it's about audio, I guess we CAN tell what the original filmmakers intended and what's wrong or not.
Things as timing don't fade over time on the original soundtrack.

So what do we think of this?

I think you have some weird nit-picky fetish.

I don't care at all. Sleeping Beauty is my favourite Disney movie regardless of whether or not the music is a little off. I've never noticed and even now that I know I doubt I will notice it still.

Widdi wrote:
I don't care at all .

That says enough really.

Some people do care about the classics, like me.
So please stop ruining my post.

Well since the old DVD was a 5.1 remix and any VHS copy of the film was a 2.0 remix Sleeping Beauty has never really had it's original recordings released on any format up until this time. Of course, now it's new so naturally you hate it 'cause your not used to listening to it this way. Also do you have any substantial proof whatsoever for what you claim is "the original"?

If Widdi says SB is one of his favorites that isn't it obvious he cares about the classics?

yeah, we never knew what it originally sounded like.

During the scene where Maleficent lures Aurora to the spinning wheel, did anyone honestly hear a voice singing "Auroraaa"?? It sounded like vague singing. They didn't figure out what it was untill it was cleaned up.

The thing is that restorations will make the film different from what you remember.

I do understand that the problem with Disney is that there's a thin line between restoration and alteration. Sleeping Beauty however, looks like it was simply restored "beyond original brilliance" and not altered like Beauty and the Beast or The Lion King.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:Well since the old DVD was a 5.1 remix and any VHS copy of the film was a 2.0 remix Sleeping Beauty has never really had it's original recordings released on any format up until this time. Of course, now it's new so naturally you hate it 'cause your not used to listening to it this way. Also do you have any substantial proof whatsoever for what you claim is "the original"?

If Widdi says SB is one of his favorites that isn't it obvious he cares about the classics?

Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that the soundtracks on the laserdisc, vhs, dvd's, all the original LP's from that time, the original soundtracks form the film on casette and cd, the original soundtracks and the restored soundtracks on cd (which ALL sound the same in terms of timing and where the voices actually fit on the music, have perfect timing, etc) could be wrong, and now the 2009 "restoration" where we the chorus is sung too late on the music which makes no sense musically and what no composer would ever allow to happen, is the only right way?

OMG. Are you from this world?

And no, if you don't care that songs are changed you don't care about the classic.

Ok really Marky, the answer is clear. Just stick with your old vhs or 2003 DVD. Seriously theirs nothing you can do and this nit picky post isn't gunna help anything. So stop bothering everone and just go watch a vhs.

WHAT!?

Is that the only example you can quote? Do you have 7.1 surroudn set up?? Sleeping Beauty sounds fantastic, and I HATED Sleeping Beauty as a kid but the music made me like it all over again...come on Marky now you're nit picking.

Get the Blu Ray and a good set up, it's fantastic recording of the original music.

Marky_198 wrote:Are you kidding me?

Are you saying that the soundtracks on the laserdisc, vhs, dvd's, all the original LP's from that time, the original soundtracks form the film on casette and cd, the original soundtracks and the restored soundtracks on cd (which ALL sound the same in terms of timing and where the voices actually fit on the music, have perfect timing, etc) could be wrong, and now the 2009 "restoration" where we the chorus is sung too late on the music which makes no sense musically and what no composer would ever allow to happen, is the only right way?

OMG. Are you from this world?

And no, if you don't care that songs are changed you don't care about the classic.

Soundtrack releases have nothing to do with it (especially since one was recorded just for LP release and did not use the tracks found in the movie). You have to take into account how the separate music, dialogue, sound effects etc. all fit in with each other. Not only that CDs, cassettes etc can only use two channels of audio so that in no way represents how the final film tracks were arranged and recorded. All other prints of the orchestral and vocal elements were re-arrange to fit their respective formats. Or in the case of the 1959 LP (later released for cassette) it was separate recordings of all the songs and as mentioned earlier has nothing to do with the film itself. I did not notice any difference in the timing of the songs themselves while watching the Blu-ray myself so I again have no idea what you are talking about.

Considering everyone else is not bothered by his like you are, I might question what planet your from or what display your watching it on.

Your dvd might be defective, because the audio sounds great! Is the dialogue out of sync with the lip sync on yours? It's not on mine.

I don't think it's the movie that's defective...

Flanger-Hanger wrote:
Soundtrack releases have nothing to do with it (especially since one was recorded just for LP release and did not use the tracks found in the movie). You have to take into account how the separate music, dialogue, sound effects etc. all fit in with each other. Not only that CDs, cassettes etc can only use two channels of audio so that in no way represents how the final film tracks were arranged and recorded. All other prints of the orchestral and vocal elements were re-arrange to fit their respective formats. Or in the case of the 1959 LP (later released for cassette) it was separate recordings of all the songs and as mentioned earlier has nothing to do with the film itself. I did not notice any difference in the timing of the songs themselves while watching the Blu-ray myself so I again have no idea what you are talking about.

Considering everyone else is not bothered by his like you are, I might question what planet your from or what display your watching it on.

I know what you mean, and everything did fit in perfectly with eachother, but not on the dvd and blu ray. Many other people have noticed it.
Of course some people don't but that's always the case and that's not the point. Things are shifted, and although it's only by seconds sometimes, it's still very irritating to me.
They took apart and separated all the different instruments and singing parts. "updated" them individually and later on they've put them together again. Which resulted in shifted "t's" and "s'es" at the end of words and sentences, shifted instruments, shifted backgroundmusic and words, and whole choruses that are edited in too late so it doesn' fit the music anymore.

It really is a shame, because I do like the rich sound of the music, but I can't watch the film like this anymore. I notice errors like this in almost every scene. And yes, they are errors, because some things are not right musically, while they were right in earlier versions.

ajmrowland wrote:Your dvd might be defective, because the audio sounds great! Is the dialogue out of sync with the lip sync on yours? It's not on mine.

No, the dialogue isn't out of sync with the lips, the music starts in too early at some points and too late at other points. T's and s'es and words are shifted, instruments are shifted, choruses are added in too late at some points, too early at other points, etc.

they have the original mono soundtrack on the disc unaltered so why are you moaning??

SpringHeelJack wrote:I don't think it's the movie that's defective...

The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

CampbellzSoup wrote:they have the original mono soundtrack on the disc unaltered so why are you moaning??

They don't on any non-US release of the movie.

Flanger-Hanger wrote:

SpringHeelJack wrote:I don't think it's the movie that's defective...

The simplest solution is usually the correct one.

I wouldn't call "defective hearing", or "the inability to watch a film properly" "a solution" actually

Marky_198 wrote:Some people do care about the classics, like me.

Oh stop acting like everyone who doesn't nitpick every little thing like you do doesn't actually care about the classics. If I threw out every Disney DVD that wasn't absolutely perfect in my eyes, I'd have maybe three left.

Marky_198 wrote:So please stop ruining my post.

Silly me, I thought this forum was called Disney Discussion, implying that everything posted here was intended for discussion. I'll remember it's actually called Only Reply If You Agree With Marky_198 in the future.

my chicken is infected wrote: Oh stop acting like everyone who doesn't nitpick every little thing like you do doesn't actually care about the classics. If I threw out every Disney DVD that wasn't absolutely perfect in my eyes, I'd have maybe three left.

Silly me, I thought this forum was called Disney Discussion, implying that everything posted here was intended for discussion. I'll remember it's actually called Only Reply If You Agree With Marky_198 in the future.

But at least you do notice such things.
But it's fair to say that if you love something, you actually know something about the details, right?

And yes, this is about discussion, but a post like "I don't care at all" isn't exactly discussing, is it?

Marky_198 wrote:

Widdi wrote:
I don't care at all .

That says enough really.

Some people do care about the classics, like me.
So please stop ruining my post.

I'm not even going to dignify that with a proper response.